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OS/2 Discussion Forum Mon, July 06, 1992 Volume 9207 Issue 01
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Today's topics:
**** Important announcements **** READ THIS
New files on LISTSERVer
DOS-boxes and communications errors.
new version of SHOWINI.CMD (version 2.0)
Re: OS/2 2.0 (GA)
LPTMAZE ZIP game
remote access to c-drives
dueling guis
Hi-Resolution graphics cards for OS2
TCPIP, WDig ethernet & COMM ports
An unshreddable object...
Re: TCPIP, WDig ethernet & COMM ports
Beginners problems
NE2000 NDIS-MAC-driver for OS/2 2.0 needed
Win-OS2
**** ZACHMANN PUTS CAREER ON LINE FOR JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY ****
Feed from the Listearn OS2-L OS/2 Non-Editored Discussion List :
Sales, Legal Settlement
Re: FAT - HPFS
weird experiences with Jigsaw
Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
IBM and Microsoft Announce Agreement
Re: IBM and Microsoft Announce Agreement
Re: IBM and Microsoft Announce Agreement
IBM Sez 700,000 shrink-wraps sold in less than 90 days
32-bit PM Globe
A ten commandments list for OS/2?
Re: ZACHMANN LEAVES ZIFF!
Zachmann resigns, Wash Post, Media Notes, 7/7/92, C8
NT Preview in S.F.
Re: ZACHMANN LEAVES ZIFF
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Date: Mon, July 06, 1992, 12:00:00 +0200
From: Moderator of OS/2 Discussion Forum <OS2MOD@BLEKUL11>
Subject: **** Important announcements **** READ THIS
Hello,
1. The number of direct subscribers (not counted redistributed copies
or netnews readers) increased to 1271 in the last weeks.
2. A major reorganisation of our LISTSERV disk results in a complete
new filelist. There are no ZIPXXE files available anymore. Only
complete ZIP files. If you want the files in smaller pieces, or
with XXEncoding, you will have to request so specificly, such as is
explained in the next message in detail.
We suggest that before ordering ANY older file, please request
LISTSERV to send you the OS2 FILELIST (GET OS2 FILELIST or INDEX OS2)
3. Our disk is accessible by FTP too | Just FTP to cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
Userid ANONYMOUS, Password your Internet address. First get the
READ.ME file which is on the default directory. The OS2 files are
in the ANONYMOU.201 directory. Don't DIR or LS without any para-
meters, you'll get over 600 files to see ... If you want a list,
just get OS2.FILELIST which is on the default directory after you
logon (ANONYMOU.191).
Please do report any problems to us. This setup is only operational
for some days now, and problems could still exist.
4. In the coming weeks (From July 13 till August 10) it is possible that
either NO new files come available, or NO new forums will be distri-
buted. ( Given that we both have holidays coming up ... ) However
in normal circumstances, a new forum should appear every week, and
new files will be available twice in this period.
The moderators.
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Date: Mon, July 06, 1992, 12:00:00 +0200
From: Moderator of OS/2 Discussion Forum <OS2MOD@BLEKUL11>
Subject: New files on LISTSERVer
This is a list of new or updated OS/2 related files available from the
LISTSERV of the OS/2 Discussion Forum at BLEKUL11.
* File donated by (the author:) Rony FLATSCHER <RONY@AWIWUW11>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
SHOWINI ZIP Edit, Print, Backup, Restore & Update of OS2 INI file
* File donated by (the author:) Jimmy Dean <CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
LPTMAZE ZIP 32bit LPTMAZE
3DMAZE ZIP 3D Maze PM Game (with 32 bit source)
* New Files from ftp-os2.nmsu.edu
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
ECOMON12 ZIP Echos contents of a text screen to a 2nd monitor
MR2_103 ZIP MR/2 - a QWK compatible mail reader
MSD ZIP MS Diagnostics-determine IRQ/port/etc. problems [DOS]
NJOYDEMO ZIP N/JOY demo - the world of objects
OS2KRNL ZIP Latest OS2KRNL fixes, inclusive as of 6/17/92
RB3730 ZIP Redbook sample code-Vol. 1: Control Program
RB3731 ZIP Redbook sample code-Vol. 2: DOS & Windows
RB3774 ZIP Redbook sample code-Vol. 4:: Application Develop.
TRID_FIX ZIP Latest VSVGA/OS2LDR fixes for Trident TVGA cards
* New Files from comp.binaries.os2
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
ASCIICHT ZIP PM ASCII Chart v1.0
AT2-13B ZIP Sends AT commands to modem from command line
BOOTABLE ZIP ????
F2C ZIP ????
GT16MB ZIP OS2LDR for systems with >16Mb RAM
KLOCK100 ZIP Sets/Clears NUM-LOCK, CAPS-LOCK, and SCROLL-LOCK
MEM428 ZIP Determines RAM size under DOS & OS/2 v2.0
OS2-TSL ZIP SCSI drivers for Trantor T128, T228, T338 and T130B
OS2DEMO ZIP IBM's official OS/2 2.0 demonstration disk.
OS2LDR ZIP latest and greatest OS2LDR(D)
OS2TNT ZIP OS/2 Tips and Techniques (First edition june 92)
OS2XLISP ZIP XLIPS for OS/2
PHONEAT3 ZIP Phone monitor & phone book
PMDC101U ZIP Copy and compare diskettes under PM
PROCS20 ZIP Lists all processes running in OS/2 v2.0
SHOWINI ZIP View/print/edit/move/copy/delete contents of INI files
SWAPDCP ZIP list and/or swap keys in a KEYBOARD.DCP file (6/23/92)
TL ZIP Utility to present Task List in last location on desktop
All new files are ZIP files. Depending on the gateways between BLEKUL11
and your site it might be necessary to specify extra options :
To get the normal ZIP file send the following command to our LISTSERV :
GET fn ZIP
(Where fn is the name of the file you want.)
To get an XXENCODED ZIP file (use this if your gateways have trouble
with binary files) use the following command :
GET fn ZIP f=XXE
To get several small XXENCODED files (use this if your gateways limit
the size of files) :
GET fn ZIP f=XXE,split
Note: Use PKUNZIP -d to unzip !!
These files are distributed AS IS, we can not guarantee anything about
their working.
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* For a complete list of all OS/2 files available at LISTSERV@BLEKUL11 *
* get the OS2INDEX PACAKGE. *
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We still welcome all OS/2 related files for distribution on our LISTSERV.
Send your files to OS2@BLEKUL11.BITNET / OS2@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
we will arrange everything for distribution.
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 92 13:04:37 BST
Organisation: NERC Computer Services, Swindon
From: Pete Lucas <PJML@IBMA.NERC-WALLINGFORD.AC.UK>
Subject: DOS-boxes and communications errors.
I am running OS/2 2.0 on an IBM PS/2 model 57. It's great, apart from one
problem. When in the DOS-box, if i run DOS Kermit (release 3.11), i find that
sometimes, characters received via the serial-port are doubled-up. I am
running the serial port at 9600 baud, so it should cope without difficulty.
In the past, I have had no problems doing this sort of thing, under OS/2
1.3 I was running at 9600 baud even on an old PS/2-50. There does not seem
to be an equivalent to SETCOM40 (which I used to have to use under 1.3 in
order to get the serial-port to be accessible to DOS applications) in
OS/2 2.0.
Anyone got any ideas?
<> Pete Lucas <> P.Lucas@UK.AC.NSW.UA PJML@UK.AC.NSW.UA
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Date: Wed, 01 Jul 92 19:53:01 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@AWIWUW11>
Subject: new version of SHOWINI.CMD (version 2.0)
Hi there,
Just finished testing SHOWINI.CMD, version 2.0.
new features:
- number of backup generations controllable (from 1-10, was 10 before)
- batch-backup possible by telling it to scan all local drives, all
remote drives, specific drives by supplying a letter-string,
- update and restore can be automated by having SHOWINI.CMD scan
the drives by itself,
- backup/update/restore OS2.INI (**very** important, because it
contains the WPS persistent object-definitions, a key to WPS!) and
OS2SYS.INI or both without specifying the paths,
- logging of all backup/update/restore operations (called SHOWINI.LOG
placed into the same directory as SHOWINI.CMD itself), configurable.
I am using a CRONRGF-entry to automatically backup OS2.INI and OS2SYS.INI
on every monday at 10a.m., backup will be a plain TEXT-file:
0 10 1-31 * 1 showini /bt /both
and to backup all local-INI-files on the first monday of a month, keeping
three backups at most (backups are in OS/2-INI-format):
0 11 1-7 * 1 showini /b3 /local
The package does not contain the interim REXXUTIL.DLL fix anymore,
because IBM released a CSD-like fix for a couple of REXX-utils. It is
necessary to apply those fixes in order to run SHOWINI.CMD.
Regards,
---rony
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Date: Thu Jul 2 12:59:16 BST 1992
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: OS/2 2.0 (GA)
In April, I wrote:
> In my case, Ctrl-Esc does not get me back to the WPS - only ctrl-alt-del
> will do. [After a bad Windows app hangs WinOS2]
In fact, Alt-Esc *usually* seems to get you back to the WPS. You can
then kill the "dead" WinOS2 session. On a limited resource Model 70,
this saves over 3 minutes!
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
UUCP: ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!lena!mike
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Date: Thu Jul 2 12:00:00
From: Jimmy Dean <CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject: LPTMAZE ZIP game
I am sending you LPTMAZE ZIP for your OS/2 games section.
This OS/2 2.0 Presentation Manager program generates mazes and uses
device independent graphics to print three dimensional images of
them. IBM C Set/2 source is included. The program has been tested
with an Epson MX-80 and a Hewlett Packard Laserjet III. It should
work with any dot matrix or laser printer supported by OS/2 2.0.
I would be surprised if it worked with plotters or daisy wheel
printers.
-- Jimmy Dean
CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET
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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 92 10:22:58 EDT
From: "Loreen Lacy" <LIBEM029@SIVM>
Subject: remote access to c-drives
During an OS/2 vs. Windows demo I attended, the Windows fellow told us that
Windows NT allows other people on the net to access the other folks hard drives
remotely. When I tried to question on how that worked, I got a pretty glossed
over answer. Does anybody know if this is true and if so, does OS/2 do somethi
ng similiar? (I still haven't figured out why I would want this function, I me
an, why not just put the files in the network in the firstplace rather than hav
e my computer talking behind my back as it were...)--Loreen
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 92 12:00:53 EDT
From: "Loreen Lacy" <LIBEM029@SIVM>
Subject: dueling guis
Did anyone on this list attend the OS/2 vs Windows seminar at the National
Place Marriot in Wash DC yesterday morning? I would like to discuss what
your impressions were if you did. Feel free to respond to me directly
Loreen Lacy
SMithsonian Institution Libraries
Washington, DC
LIBEM029@SIVM
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Date: 03 Jul 1992 13:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Erich Schlaikjer <SCHLAIKJER@CHEERS.gs.com>
Subject: Hi-Resolution graphics cards for OS2
Organization: Goldman, Sachs & Co.
I see a lot of video drivers in the display section of this bboard's
archives. Does anyone have a favorite? My ideal would be something like
1200x1000 with 256 colors: something you could fit four non-overlapping os2
windowed command prompts on. A long time ago I think it was PC magazine picked
Matrox as the best high-resolution card for OS2, but I've experimented with
them and am not pleased with their PM drivers. Add to that ideal the need to
support both os2 v1.2 and v2.0. Hopeless??
Erich Schlaikjer
London 774-2412 Home 0923-854584
schlaikjer@cheers.gs.com
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 92 14:39:31 EST
From: Mark Keintz <MKEINTZ@PENNSAS.UPENN.EDU>
Organization: Univ. of Penn. David Rittenhouse Computing Facility
Subject: TCPIP, WDig ethernet & COMM ports
I have installed IBM OS/2 TCPIP 1.2 with apparent success.
And I have installed a Western Digital ethercard plus elite, keeping
factory defaults.
However I cannot seem to get the TCPIP software to use the card.
After going through the IBM supplied TCPIP configuration program,
I ran the SETUP.CMD program it created with no objections by the
software. But no command works. PING produces no response at all.
TELNET produce a "network unreachable" error message.
I am using the latest Western Digital ethernet driver software from
ftp-os2 (formerly hobbes).
Does this problem arise from the fact that I have a serial COM2 port?
Its IRQ level is 3, which is the same as the default for the WD
ethercard. One bit of evidence that supports this theory is that my
terminal emulation program (which uses com2) fails to work if I boot
my system with the ethercard drivers in CONFIG.SYS. Before I get my
screwdriver out, is there anybody out there with experience with this
problem?
Mark
Mark Keintz Population Studies, U. of Penn Ph: 215/898-6713
Philadelphia, PA 19104 USA
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 14:32:41 -0500
From: msh@te6000.telecom.lsu.edu (M. Scott Hoppe (OTC - 203 D. Boyd))
Subject: An unshreddable object...
How do you get rid of an object that refuses to be shredded,
for example: I have a folder on the desktop, that when put over the
shredder -- gets that NO sign. I have tried putting it inside another
folder and deleting the outer folder, but it was a no go there, too.
Any ideas?
msh@te6000.telecom.lsu.edu -=( Scott )=-
Note: One Planet is all you get.
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 08:04:31 EST
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <turgut@EARN-PS.CIRCE.FR>
Subject: Re: TCPIP, WDig ethernet & COMM ports
Hi. If two cards use the same IRQ, it's normal that neither works.
Regards, -turgut
Turgut Kalfaoglu, Server Programmer European Academic Research Network
BITNET address: turgut@frors12.bitnet or turgut@frmop11.bitnet
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 08:37:15 +0300
From: KARGRA@GBA930.ZAMG.AC.AT
Subject: Beginners problems
Hi folks,
after I installed my OS2 I tried to install coreldraw 2.01 for WINDOWS 3.0 on my
PC. The program copied the files of the 1st disk and when it came to expand the
files it complained about an error in DOS. Has anyone circumvented this problem?
I tried to start cdinstall, but all that happened was an immidiate systemhalt.
winstall did work as described and starting a dossession had the same problem an
d a problem with the mousepointer too. it showed 2 of them, but only one active.
Whenever I try to run CHKDSK on my bootdrive (C:) it finds 2 errors in swapper.d
at. OK. this is probably an error of chkdsk, but it won't let me write correc-
tions to this drive, because it is used by another process... I'm shure there is
nothing else in memeory but the OS. Just in case there is ever a problem, how
will I be able to correct it with chkdsk ?!
Sincerely, Alfred
Alfred Jilka #
Geologic Survey, Austria # Though I love them, there are NO KANGAROOS here...
KARGRA@GBA930.ZAMG.AC.AT #
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 92 09:27:34 MEZ
From: Rudolf WILLING <I1280DAA@AWIUNI11.EDVZ.UNIVIE.AC.AT>
Subject: NE2000 NDIS-MAC-driver for OS/2 2.0 needed
Hello!
can anybody give me information if there exists a NDIS-MAC-driver
for NOVELL ethernet-card NE2000, and if where is it available. I want to
use TCP/IP in OS/2 2.0 t reach a RS6000 under AIX 3.1.5
THANX in advace Rudolf Willing (Vienna,AUSTRIA)
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Date: Tue Jul 7 16:16:23 BST 1992
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Win-OS2
Another oddity for you. If I start a full-screen Win-OS2 session,
then after the screen blanks, hit Alt-Esc to get the desktop back and
do something else while the other gets going (well, it can take a while!),
when I switch back to Win-OS2, I have no mouse pointer :-(
This seems fairly repeatable, and seems to be caused by the VIDEO_SWITCH_
NOTIFICATION setting. (The help seems to recommend that this be ON).
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
UUCP: ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!lena!mike
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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 92 23:55:48 -0700
From: hodges@ampere.EE.UCLA.EDU (hodges@ampere.ee.ucla.edu)
Subject: **** ZACHMANN PUTS CAREER ON LINE FOR JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY ****
The following message from William F. Zachmann was posted on the
IBM BBS. Apparently, the earlier rumors about Ziff-Davis pressuring
Zachmann for "happy talk" about Windows were true!
Message : 17290 (OS/2 2 0 General Q&A) Date... : 7/ 5/92 (4:53 Am)
From... : Bill Kenning Refer.. : None
To..... : All Sec'ty. : Public
Subject : Zachmann gives notice Rec'vd. : No
Well it appears to be official....William F. Zachmann is giving notice
that he intends to leave Ziff-Davis Publishing when his contract expires
in Sept. '92 due to editorial interference. The following the a message
left on CompuServe by Mr. Zachmann on July 4, 1992. It is posted here
with his permission:
<Beginning of CompuServe message>
Independence Declaration
William F. Zachmann 72241,43
I can think of no better occasion than the Fourth of July to declare
independence from those who would dictate the content of what I write.
Over the past several months, I have been repeatedly subject to what I
feel to be inappropriate and improper pressure from PC Week in regard to
my views on Microsoft and Windows, IBM and OS/2.
I had hoped that this was a temporary aberration that would soon be
corrected. Unfortunately, that does not seem to be the case. I have
therefore sent notice to the Ziff-Davis Publishing Company that I do not
intend to renew my agreement with them when its current term expires at
the end of September.
I believe that Mr. William Ziff, Jr. is genuinely committed to editorial
integrity and independence. Unfortunately, I think Mr. Ziff is being
ill-served by some of his employees who do not share that commitment. I
am concerned that the regretable tendency to shape editorial content to
please a major advertiser (Microsoft in this case) which I have noted in
some competing publications is being imported into the Ziff-Davis
Publishing Company.
If you share my concern, you may want to write to Mr. William Ziff, Jr.,
Ziff Davis Communications, One Park Avenue, New York, NY, 10016 and let
him know what you think. Please feel free to repost this messages
elsewhere if you wish.
William F. Zachmann
<End of CompuServe message>
I would hope that *all* OS/2 supporters would write a letter to the
editor of PC Week, PC Magazine and a letter to Mr. William Ziff, Jr. as
requested. This is shoddy journalism at its worst.
I would also hope that my fellow OS/2 supporters would start a letter
writing campaign to BYTE Magazine to pick-up Mr. Zachmann as a
columnist. BYTE appears to still have journalistic integrity. Someone
here suggested that OS/2 users start mailing back the little
subscription cards that fall out of PC Magazine and write "Support OS/2"
on them. Maybe that is an appropriate tactic. OS/2 users unite !!!
This cannot be allowed to pass without challenge !! I left Mr. Zachmann
an appreciation message and suggested he contribute articles to 'OS/2
Monthly' and 'IBM OS/2 Systems Developer' magazines as the OS/2
community really appreciates his work.
Regards...
Message : 17294 (OS/2 2 0 General Q&A) Date... : 7/ 6/92 (3:19 Am)
From... : Bill Kenning Refer.. : 17292
To..... : Jack Hiatt Sec'ty. : Public
Subject : Zachmann gives notice Rec'vd. : Yes
I got a post from Zachmann on CIS today. He still hopes Ziff-Davis
will back-off, but very committed to not renewing his contract if they
insist on the right to force editing of his columns. I doubt if Z-D
will give in unless the public really screams about this. He stresses
that he doesn't feel William Ziff would necessarily concur with this
policy, but attributes his problems to 'overzealous staff members'. I
just looked at PC Magazine and who else is the Editor-In-Chief but
Michael J. Miller...the guy who did the hatchet job on OS/2 when it was
reviewed by PC Magazine. Obviously this guy has no ethics and who knows
what personal gain he is getting. I would recommend all OS/2 users
include a demand in their letter to William Ziff that Michael J. Miller
be replaced as Editor-In-Chief. If PC Magazine is to continue to use the
masthead 'The Independent Guide to Personal Computing' on their cover
they must demonstrate that they really are 'independent' and not some
mouthpiece for uSoft or any other advertiser.
Regards....
For those who wish to send messages via Internet, here are some relevant
e-mail addresses:
PC magazine:
157-9301@mcimail.com
Byte:
250-0135@mcimail.com
PC computing:
76000.21@compuserve.com
350-2648@mcimail.com
ComputerWorld:
COMPUTERWORLD@mcimail.com
Info World:
73267.1537@compuserve.com
350-2648@mcimail.com
William F. Zachmann
72241.43@compuserve.com
CAN SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE SUPPLY THE ADDRESS FOR PC WEEK.....
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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 13:14:00 EST
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: "Allan D. Rosen (412)624-0418" <ADROSEN@PITTVMS>
Subject: Sales, Legal Settlement
The AP carried a story today on an IBM sales and an IBM v Microsoft settlement
on their shared patents.
IBM's "Reiswig said Sunday (June 28, 1992) that IBM sold more than 700,000
copies of its improved OS/2...That figure is higher than industry estimates".
IBM and Microsoft will "broadly share patents covering both operating
systems." They "will be able to use licenses to already developed and
new releases of each other's software until September 1993". "IBM agreed
not to exercise its right to Microsoft's NT operating system". Microsoft
will make a one time payment to IBM for about 10-20 million dollars.
Both companies will continue to pay each other royalties.
Allan Rosen
University of Pittsburgh
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Date: Fri, 3 Jul 92 09:41:45 +0200
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: "D. Rober" <NDAAA12@CES.KULEUVEN.AC.BE>
Subject: Re: FAT - HPFS
Edward Pierce ilay8169@unix.cc.emory.edu wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Jul 1992, hatton@CGL.UCSF.EDU wrote:
>>
>> Likewise, if you decide later to install HPFS, then "rem" out the
>> diskcache statement which only applies to FAT.
>
>Actually, since floppies are always formated FAT it might be a good idea
>to retain the diskcache statement.
>
Actually I think the workings of diskcache has changed (since 1.3.1). Diskcache
is now also used on pure HPFS systems and this for disk requests which are not
cached by HPFS (which are above the 2kb HPFS threshold - the DISKCACHE threshold
can be set to 128 sectors). All this is documented in the OS/2 Lan Server 1.30.2
README.DOC but is stated to be valid for SE 1.3.1.
Regards,
Dirk
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Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 15:41:58 EST
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <turgut@EARN-PS.CIRCE.FR>
Subject: weird experiences with Jigsaw
I was adamant to create some more puzzles for Jigsaw for my wife, so I
started using a windows program called WINGIF(or something) to convert
my favorite GIFs into BMPs, and it worked nicely, I had WINGIF in a
window, converting away. However, when I fed them into Jigsaw, it
started drawing very strangly, - it seemed it was overwriting parts of
the picture, which was really weird. So, I quit Jigsaw, re-opened it,
and loaded the OS/2 logo, which I knew worked well - nope! That did not
work either! The same strange effect. I finally did a shutdown,
restarted, loaded my newly converted BMP into Jigsaw, and voila - it
worked great. I tried loading the OS/2 logo, and that worked great too.
Since I had closed (not minimised) Jigsaw and re-opened and it had not
helped, I concluded that there must be a bug in the default VGA driver
of OS/2? I have Trident, but not using any trident drivers. I have most
other patches applied (new kernel, Rexx20, etc..)
Btw, too bad that Wingif is only for Windows. I bet it would convert and
dither much faster in 32-bits.. Regards, -turgut
Turgut Kalfaoglu, Server Programmer European Academic Research Network
BITNET address: turgut@frors12.bitnet or turgut@frmop11.bitnet
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From: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: IBM and Microsoft Announce Agreement
Date: 29 Jun 92 10:31:06 GMT
Organization: Dept. of Econ., Univ. of Chicago
I did not see this item come across the Usenet, and the details I have
are extremely sketchy, but apparently IBM and Microsoft have announced
a new agreement in the OS/2 and Windows saga.
Essentially it seems IBM and Microsoft have agreed to disagree (if
that wasn't already clear). In the agreement, the companies are, in
effect, tearing up the 1990 agreement which retained the partnership
to product a single operating system but divided responsibilities.
Royalty issues, including the size of payments, with respect to IBM's
use of Microsoft source code (in the Win-OS/2 subsystem) in OS/2 2.0
have all been settled. Terms were not disclosed.
Sharing of patents and technology was precisely defined to help
prevent future lawsuits. Again, terms were not disclosed.
In a surprise report, Microsoft is reported to be paying IBM a
whopping 35 million dollars in cash, evidently in damages (breach of
contract?), although neither company will confirm this figure.
Finally, source code sharing (with Microsoft providing IBM with timely
access to any future Windows code, including NT, and IBM doing the
same with OS/2) is scheduled to continue until September, 1993. (Note
that this is a separate issue from royalties. Code produced by either
company up until this date can be used by the other in perpetuity
provided royalty payments are made, according to reports.)
If someone doesn't beat me to it I will provide more complete
information if and when available.
--
Get the OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST | Timothy F. Sipples
from 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, | Internet: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu
directory pub/os2/all/faq, or from | IBM VNET Alias: SIPPLES AT BITNET
LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP"). | Dept. of Econ., U. Chicago, 60637
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From: quan@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tony Quan)
Subject: Re: IBM and Microsoft Announce Agreement
Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 92 14:26:44 GMT
In article <1992Jun29.103106.3006@midway.uchicago.edu>
sip1@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>Finally, source code sharing (with Microsoft providing IBM with timely
>access to any future Windows code, including NT, and IBM doing the
>same with OS/2) is scheduled to continue until September, 1993. (Note
>that this is a separate issue from royalties. Code produced by either
>company up until this date can be used by the other in perpetuity
>provided royalty payments are made, according to reports.)
>
The agreement also states that that after September, 1993, each company
is free to make their OS compatible with the other company's. So for
example, IBM could make OS/2 compatible with any versions of NT released
after September 1993 but IBM would have to write the code to provide
NT-compatibility instead of merely licensing Windows code from Microsoft
as they do now.
--Tony Quan
quan@cs.stanford.edu
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From: earlyd@ee.byu.edu (David Early)
Subject: Re: IBM and Microsoft Announce Agreement
Date: 29 Jun 92 17:56:27 GMT
Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA
In article <1992Jun29.103106.3006@midway.uchicago.edu>,
sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples) writes:
> I did not see this item come across the Usenet, and the details I have
> are extremely sketchy, but apparently IBM and Microsoft have announced
> a new agreement in the OS/2 and Windows saga.
>
> Essentially it seems IBM and Microsoft have agreed to disagree (if
> that wasn't already clear). In the agreement, the companies are, in
> effect, tearing up the 1990 agreement which retained the partnership
> to product a single operating system but divided responsibilities.
>
> Royalty issues, including the size of payments, with respect to IBM's
> use of Microsoft source code (in the Win-OS/2 subsystem) in OS/2 2.0
> have all been settled. Terms were not disclosed.
>
In today's (MON) Wall Street Journal (WSJ) they said $25-$30 a copy
> Sharing of patents and technology was precisely defined to help
> prevent future lawsuits. Again, terms were not disclosed.
>
> In a surprise report, Microsoft is reported to be paying IBM a
> whopping 35 million dollars in cash, evidently in damages (breach of
> contract?), although neither company will confirm this figure.
>
The WSJ stated that IBM pulled out a "secret weapon". This turned out to be
1000's of patents that IBM holds regarding software and how software works
(things like how the cursor moves when the tab key is pressed). From what I
could read between the lines, IBM and their lawyers presented the patents and
probably said, very politly, "We'd like to arrange payment for your use of
these patents." with a friendly "or else" conveyed non-verbally. My opinion
is that while a threat of suit was not made to get the OS/2 situation worked
out, the resolution came on the tails of the patent problems. The $35 million
was payment for longterm use of the IBM patents.
> Finally, source code sharing (with Microsoft providing IBM with timely
> access to any future Windows code, including NT, and IBM doing the
> same with OS/2) is scheduled to continue until September, 1993. (Note
> that this is a separate issue from royalties. Code produced by either
> company up until this date can be used by the other in perpetuity
> provided royalty payments are made, according to reports.)
>
> If someone doesn't beat me to it I will provide more complete
> information if and when available.
>
> --
> Get the OS/2 FREQ. ASKED QUESTIONS LIST | Timothy F. Sipples
> from 128.123.35.151, anonymous ftp, | Internet: sip1@ellis.uchicago.edu
> directory pub/os2/all/faq, or from | IBM VNET Alias: SIPPLES AT BITNET
> LISTSERV@BLEKUL11.BITNET (send "HELP"). | Dept. of Econ., U. Chicago, 60637
Dave Early
earlyd@seasat.ee.byu.edu
"Y'know, I think I'm the only student here that knows that OS/2 doesn't run
under Windows..."
Myself about two days ago.
PS I am very alone here at Brigham Young University as far as advocating OS/2.
I am pushing it as best I can, but suggestions for getting it into the EE
department would be welcome!!
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From: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold)
Subject: IBM Sez 700,000 shrink-wraps sold in less than 90 days
Date: 30 Jun 92 01:48:49 GMT
Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA
>From today's InforWorld "At Deadline"
New York- IBM said at PC Expo last week it has shipped 700,000
shrink=wrapped copies of OS/2 2.0 since the program's release less
than 90 days ago. The 700,000 figure does not include electronically
distributed copies.... Microsoft Corp immediately disputed the
figure [they would], citing royalty payments it receives for copies
sold [that puts an end to that debate as well]. But IBM said such
payments don't reflect actual sales figures. Last week IBM also
showed publically for the first time the 32-bit graphical engine for
OS/2 2.0, early code for Windows 3.1 under OS/2 2.0, and unfinished
code of OS/2 2.0 running Windows applications that support Super VGA
[they must mean seamless, it already does it in full screen]. IBM
also said it shipped 32-bit multimedia extensions for OS/2 2.0
---- end blurb ----
In other news, I've heard 1.2 million from IBM sources for total
copies through the middle of June.
--
The Greeks described the Edible Complex. That's where a young boy prefers
his mother's cooking to anyone else's.
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From: sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen M. Lacy)
Subject: 32-bit PM Globe
Date: 29 Jun 92 21:02:49 GMT
Organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
As I have a relative who works for IBM, I have acquired the 32-bit
version of PMGlobe.
Just a few notes for you people who are curious:
The actual code for drawing and computing the image that's in the window
is unchanged, all the author did was re-compile. The maximal speed
increase was quoted at 3.7 times the original, because the original used
32-bit integer math, which the 16-bit version had to emulate. There are
a couple new options, some "Twilight" setting, and you can change the
color of the lat/lon lines. Oh boy. Yeah, its *ucking fast!
Steve
"I can't understand what makes a man hate another man, help me
understand." -Depeche Mode
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From: duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca (Pat Duffy)
Subject: A ten commandments list for OS/2?
Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1992 06:37:10 GMT
In article <1580.2a537ad5@mbcl.rutgers.edu> hey@mbcl.rutgers.edu writes:
>
>The modem is set up for COM3 IRQ4.
>When I boot OS/2 any of the following can happen:
>
And lo, the programmers wrote the multitasking, interrupt-driven serial port
routines. Compile them, did they, and debug and test them. And they tested
and debugged, and saw at last that they were good. And lo, on the eleventh
hour, releaseth them did they unto the masses. But the masses were uninformed,
and did try to share interrupts between many ports at once. Attempted this
did they, and lo, the ports did not work, and OS/2 V2 did generate many
error messages.
"Why doth my port not work??" cried they, and yea, they did gnash their
teeth. Then in despair did they write to UseNet, and lo, the Sipples called
unto them and did say, "Thou cannot share interrupts under OS/2. Reconfigure
your I/O card and move your modem, poor soul, and your serial ports will
serve you again. Placeth thy modem on com1 and thy mouse on com2, and useth
not com3 or com4 unless thou canst place it on an interrupt other than 3 or
4, which thy first two serial ports keepeth unto themselves. So let it be
written; so let it be done."
And the Sipples spoke but some of the masses heard not the word. And yea, when
these too tried to share interrupts, their serial ports worked not, and OS/2
generated many error messages, and they too did gnash their teeth. And the
Sipples was patient and longsuffering, and continued he to answer the question.
Yea verily listen as the Sipples says unto you, "Yea, brother, thy serial ports
must all have different IRQs, else use not the duplicate ones. Yea, even
disable them."
Here endeth the lesson.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
(Of course no offense is intended to anyone, and I do apologize if perchance I
have offended. It occurs to me sometimes, though, that there should be a ten
commandments for OS/2. I'll start it here. Add to it if you like!)
1) Thou shalt not share IRQs on an ISA machine.
--
Patrick Duffy, E-Mail: duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca
"An activist is not someone who complains that the river is dirty. An activist
is someone who cleans it up." U.S. Presidential candidate H. Ross Perot
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From: CSYSPCN@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSYSPCN)
Subject: Re: ZACHMANN LEAVES ZIFF!
Date: 6 Jul 92 08:09:12 PDT
There is also a report from Will Zachman himself that after haveing
a conference with one of his editors, and reluctantly agreeing to
"tone down"(My words I don't remember Will's) his coverage of
Windows, he returned to his office, the phone rang, and
some one from Microsoft sayed that they had heard that he was
changing his stance on Windows, and that any help that they could give
..
Now whether this is evidence of pressure or not. It certainly shows
that at least one person privy to the contents of the meeting felt it
appropriate to tell Microsoft IMMEDIATLY.
That behavior seems more indicitave of someone in Microsofts "Camp"
than of an independent, unbiased, journalist/editor.
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From: oneel@aplcen.apl.jhu.edu (O'Neel bruce edwin)
Subject: Zachmann resigns, Wash Post, Media Notes, 7/7/92, C8
Date: 7 Jul 92 13:27:29 GMT
Organization: Johns Hopkins University
>From the Media Notes column, Washington Post, 7/7/92, Page C8.
Quoted without permission. Typos mine...
Columnist Severs PC Connection
Will Zachmann Says Editors Wanted Advertiser-Friendly Copy
By Howard Kurtz, Washington Post Staff Writer
William Zachmann, one of the most popular pundits in the technospeak
subculture of personal computering, has been churning out regular
columns for PC Week and PC Magazine for four years.
But Zachmann pulled the plug on the Fourth of July, saying it was time
to declare his independence from the PC Week editors who, he says,
were pressuring him to write more favorably about Microsoft. The
software firm is one of the largest advertisers in the magazines,
which are published by Ziff-Davis.
"I have been subjected to improper pressure ... to please a major
advertiser." Zachmann said yesterday. "This is well over 50 percent
of my income I am kissing goodbye here. But, I just decided it was
time to take a stand."
Michael Edelhart, a Ziff-Davis vice president, called the charge
"dump" and "categorically untrue," saying: "Will's column was
becoming very strident and somewhat monomanical in writing the same
thing [about Microsoft software] every week. It was droning
repetition ... he lost his audience and was resisting ordinary
editorial advice."
Said PC Week Editor-in-Chief Sam Whitmore, "Is Microsoft pressuring
us? The answer is absolutely not."
Microsoft Vice President Jonathan Lazarus said that "we were concerned
about some of the misfacts that Mr. Zachmann peppered his columns
with. They were discussed with people at PC Week and with Will. We
did not request or pressure Ziff-Davis to fire Will or change anything
he wrote. We expressed our displeasure."
There has long been talk in the computer world that some computer
magazines have had trouble shedding their image as boosters of the
fast-growing industry. For example, Ziff-Davis and other publishers
see no problem in co-sponsoring conferences with the companies they
cover.
Zachmann, an industry analyst who runs his own Massachusetts firm,
says he ran into trouble for criticizing Microsoft's Windows software
and defending a rival version, OS/2, made by IBM. Microsoft has seven
pages of ads in the current PC Week, compared with three for IBM.
In April, after directing him to focus his writing on Windows and
OS/2, Whitmore told Zachmann he was unhappy with the column. "There
was not doubt that Sam was pressuring me to write about Windows,"
Zachmann said, "He said I was losing my credibility because of my lack
of objectivity. The message was clear."
That evening, Zachmann says, he received a call from a Microsoft
official, who said he had "heard I was now going to be taking a more
positive view of Microsoft and Windows, and basically wanted to help
with my reeducation. I cannot imagine how this could have been a
coincidence. I was dumbfounded."
Zachmann says his editors raised no objection when he found fault
with IBM software in a recent column. But when he criticized Windows
two weeks later, Zachmann says, PC Week Editor Eric Lundquist told
him he "had a problem" with the column and asked him to rewrite it.
Lundquist said he simply asked, "Where did you get those facts? Do
you really feel comfortable with those claims?"
Zachmann announced his September departure on a computer bulletin
board, prompting a rash of messages. One PC Magazine columnist called
the situation "an outrage" and "really demoralizing."
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: NT Preview in S.F.
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 92 08:19:54 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Tonight was the NT Preview put together by MS, COMPAC, and Ziff-Davis
(not in anybody's pocket, nah) in S.F. It was by invitation and
aimed primarily at end users. It was good. In fact it was great.
The only thing NT lacks to be on a par with OS/2 is an OOSH (object
oriented shell) of any kind to counter WPS but that will be there
I was assured by the December release. They demoed it on Intel, NCR,
and MIPS tightly coupled SMP systems. Awesome. The NCR was 8 way.
It multiproceses at the thread level so that a single process or
application can have any number of processors simultaneously executing
it. This surprised me. I expected the granularity to be the process.
Hope to hell OS/2 follows suit.
Nothing really spectacular functionally about the demo except the SMP
but the demonstration of "scalability and portability" was impressive.
from a 386/33 up to an R4000 with several in between. The difference
in performance from top to bottom was from 20 seconds worst to 2 seconds
best on the same simple graphics (read CPU intensive) application.
They had the R4000 running DOS .exe's and .com's respectably without
change.
There were over 500 people in attendance. Perhaps many more. It was
held in a *huge* hall. It was "only" about half full but showed some
bloody confidence aiming that high. The presenters were the division
heads for NT and above him for NT and networking products. They were
very impressive guys. On the other hand the COMPAC director that was
talking when I left for the vendor show had as one of his opening
sentences, "It has become a requirement to be competitive today." No
wonder they are in trouble. He and Dan Quayle must share a speech
writer.
Let's see, they called it a high end system but I touched and felt
several systems which I would consider near minimum for OS/2 and NT
was appreciably snappier. 8Mb min memory, 40Mb of disk used by
the operating system including online docs. High end? It handles
high end just fine but reaches easily to the an average OS/2 system.
Didn't see a 386sx but my bet is it will feel just fine.
It is compatabile with DOS and HPFS but has yet another NTFS file
system with some signifigant sounding failure protection built in.
The guy I was talking too said that the CHKDSK after a power loss
when things are maximally corrupted is a minute or two. It has
synchronization and commitment control that reduces what can be
corrupt and speeds the recovery signifigantly. He couldn't teel
me much more about the NTFS advantages though but that is a biggie.
It runs OS/2 1.x applications "seamlessly ;-)" This could be a
fatal blow to OS/2 2.0's 32 bit applications. Like why bother.
It seems clear to me that as a developer. I would sacrifice the
30% perfomance under OS/2 for having the NT market available to
me too unless I had a highly competitive performance sensitive
application. It can't be too hard to design an app. to the 16 bit
OS/2 API supported by NT and still be able to compile it to 32 bit
instructions and get most of the benefit of an OS/2 true 32 bit
app. either. Ultimately I see IBM footing the bill for the full
32 bit API development.
Their SDK comes with a set of libraries that allow native NT 32 bit
apps to run under Windows 3.1 also. I see now why 3.1 had changes
in it that seemed silly by making some 3.0 applications upgrade.
I'll bet this was the method to that madness. A calculated risk
and a good one IMHO.
It will admit desktops of choice as Windows does today. No CUA
jail. I think you IBM guys ought to reconsider that restriction.
Well motivated but a competitive disadvantage when people sorta
like having choices.
I didn't spend too much time in the cockpit, just the smaller
configurations I could find. I would be perfectly happe to
live with the least recomended. Simply forget this myth that
NT and OS/2 are separated by some kind of high end/low end
dichotomy.
I spent a lot of time talking to several of the verrry many developer
support whoons in red T shirts. $69.95 for the SDK (no compiler)
or an upgrade from C 5.0 or 6.0 to 7.0 *with* the SDK for $100+. The
DDK will be here in 8 weeks and cost around $500. Low volume high
price. All of the documentation corresponding to the, what, $600
set of OS/2 docs is available on a CD for $30. Yeah I like hard copy
but not everyone can lay out the bucks. The CD contains a whole
lot of other useful stuff like the source code to all the drivers
produced by MS for you to hack to your purposes. How bloody
enlightened! I may be folding up my development tent here soon
because I am going broke waiting to get Boca to decide to release
just one of the OS/2 driver's source to me. Well, there is always NT
and Windows if OS/2 dries up on me. Hear that guys and gals at Big Blue?
Except for the boku dollars you have wrung from me in dribs and drabs
to have the ability to do code I have been very happy with your DAP
developer support but I'm going to have a real heart to heart talk
tomorrow with my DAP caseworker. This driver thing is breaking my
back. Ah well, that is my travail.
Honestly, the exhibitors seemed as high on NT as their own work. I
don't know if MS coached them but it was effective. All kinds of
exhibits from SMP systems to laptops on the hardware side to
Framemaker on the software side. Lots of software there most of
it aimed at developers because this little preview was at the tail
of a three day Windows Developers Conference with 4800+ in attendance
each of which left with an NT beta and an SDK. Maybe the conference
cost through he nose to attend though. Anybody know?
I did not get the warm fuzzies for OS/2 I'm sad to say. The only mouth
I heard the acronym come out of all evening was mine (except brief
aknowledgment of 1.x compatibility.) They are playing it like 2.0
simply doesn't exist or is not relevnt. I had a sense of critical
mass WRT Windows NT that OS/2 has oh so far to get to. I saw enough
that I feel compelled to buy their whole kit and caboodle and begin
hedging my bets. Sad and expensive overall but true. This thing is
a contend'a and they are making it easily within the reach of masses
of folks to obtain the tools to develop SOFTWARE for it. Unique and
original idea. Now why didn't I think of that? (The irony of that
question will be only understood by old time readers of these .os2.
groups.)
Ok, IBM here's what ya' do. First off hire me to run your goddamn
developer awareness and fulfillment operation. I don't come cheap.
Failing that I'll give some free and crucial advice. If you consider
this a functional optimization problem, the vector at this point
has strong components in the dimensions of developer development.
You are doing great in some regards but the cost of getting into this
business has to be radically lowered. The line has been crossed and
you no longer need to maintain a price shield on these tools. Fuck
Borland. What have they done for you lately of any signifigance.
Or just use them for it. I don't care. Just get the lead out and get
it done soon. I personally will lose a great deal of motivation if I
don't see this happen pronto. Get and hold a strong presense of
responsiveness in the OS/2 usenet and other forums. Bring VNET kind
of value to these media. (And don't fire people that have lapses in
judgement. Appologize for them and make them wash dishes for a
while but givem a break. The rules of network.conduct are just now
forming en masse. Hell, open up many VNET OS2 forms to the internet
and compuserve. Let people actually put "IBM spokesperson" in their
signature and make it their job to hang out there and snag questions.
You know the value of that to your internal programmers. It is not
like we are in competition here. I know this is too radical. It has
holes but security is not really one of them. I actually learned never
to swear in front of my mother. Most people are capable of distinction.
I worked there for quite a few years and the technical OS2 forums
would have compromised the company little if at all in security as it
was. If people were aware they were "on the air" they could keep it
within the intended scope and none of the value would be lost.
Open up PCTOOLS. MicroSoft has an internal equivalent and there was a
booth at the exhibition today with a single MS employee in it that wanted
to talk about and get the names of people that would be interested in
access and contribution to it. He is specifically at this point planning
on allowing shareware. Wierd booth. He was really offering nothing, just
asking a few questions and taking names in his book. Don't select from
PCTOOLS either. After a quick review and scan for proprietary techniques
or algorithms (which aren't supposed to be there anyway) just open it
up bridged to IBMLink, the internet and compuserve. I'll bet you've
got a VM whoon that could acomplish all this bridging fairly quickly.
I know, this is too radical also although for the life of me I can't
figure why. Just something I guess about being a former IBMer. I have
heard rumors about you making parts of PCTOOLS somehow available. Get
on with it and don't make it too restrictive.
Hey, any time you need advice. Seriously though, NT is not vapor any
longer, it has condensed. They were a hair's breadth from demonstrating
a DEC Alpha. One more piece of advice before bed, get SMP soon. And
yet another, get it going soon on John's machine. That was a very
impressive part of today's overall image, the portability. That Power
PC silicon has *got* to be working or damn close to it. Don't wait for
pink. I think this one is up your sleeve and please don't mess around
much longer.
Thanks,
Bob
P.S. Whoon is Australian for guru or mavin I am told.
--
Bob Cain rcain@netcom.com 408-358-2007
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From: rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain)
Subject: Re: ZACHMANN LEAVES ZIFF
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 92 09:12:50 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Ziff-Davis, being primarily a comercial catalog company, does not have
the journalistic mores of your home town newspaper. They have simply
decided that picking MS as the winner is the right business decision and
they realize that they have the means to make that a self fulfilling
prophecy. They have this strange impression that Windows NT is going
to provide them ultimately with a lot of advertising dollars from the
industry at large. It's their call and the limited purpose of trade
rags gives them that right. Esthetics and critical accuracy is not
really the charter. By admission in most cases, I'll bet their goal
is much more dominated strictly by optimizing the profit. That's cool
so long as we don't have other expectations.
The presentation I went to tonight was co-sponsered by MS, COMPAQ and
Ziff-Davis. Hell, they aren't attempting any pretense.
Bob
--
Bob Cain rcain@netcom.com 408-358-2007
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