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OS/2 Discussion Forum Mon, June 01, 1992 Volume 9206 Issue 01
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Today's topics:
New files on LISTSERVer
DirmanPM
3 Dimensional mazes
OS/2 subject
Re: Swapper.dat
Re: IBM technical support for OS/2 2.0
Stacker under DOS and OS2, recommendations?
Help dir deleted
AUTODESK WANTS TO HEAR FROM OS/2 USERS
BACKINI 1.0
SHOWINI.CMD, BOXEDIT.CMD, REXXUTIL.DLL
FYI
Feed from the Listearn OS2-L OS/2 Non-Editored Discussion List :
Re: IBM C Set/2
new directory announcement
Re: Programming question
RE: Printing Problems
Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
A Martyr to the Cause? Larry's back for an encore.
Re: IBM could lose WinOS2 in 1993!
OS/2 Manual Part #'s Complete List
BORLAND IS ADVERTISING OS/2!
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 92 12:00:00 +0200
From: Moderator of OS/2 Discussion Forum <OS2MOD@BLEKUL11>
Subject: New files on LISTSERVer
This is a list of new or updated OS/2 related files available from the
LISTSERV of the OS/2 Discussion Forum at BLEKUL11.
* File donated by (the author:) Jimmy Dean <CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
3DMAZE PACKAGE 3D MAZE PM Game (with 16 & 32 bit source)
* File donated by (the author:) Rony FLATSCHER <RONY@AWIWUW11>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
SHOWINI PACKAGE Shows INI file (incl. REXXUTIL.DLL FIX !)
* File donated by (the author:) The Time Traveler <HE891C@GWUVM>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
JULY92 ZIPXXE OS/2 Monthly: July 92, Source code
* File donated by (the author:) Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
BACKINI ZIPXXE Makes numbered backups of any files
* Files distributed via comp.binaries.os2
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
AHA154X ZIPXXE Patched OS/2 2.0 Adaptec 154x driver
ATI256C1 PACKAGE ATI Wonder 256-color PM drivers
CS69 PACKAGE Compiler shell for MS compilers
EMACSP1 ZIPXXE Patch for GNU Emacs 18.58.3 for OS/2 2.0
GCC21 PACKAGE GNU C/C++ compiler (HPFS version)
GCCTXT PACKAGE ASCII docs for the GNU C/C++ compiler
OS2YOU27 PACKAGE Remote & LAN operation software
PMINFO PACKAGE View GNU hypertext manuals in PM
SH164-2 ZIPXXE SH-a csh/sh command shell hybprid
Some of the available files come in - what is called - a package. If
you request such package you will automatically receive all necesarry
files. The zipxxe (XXencoded ZIP) files that you will receive must be
concatenated into one large ZIPXXE file by means of the COPY command.
(example : copy x.zipxxe1 + x.zipxxe2 x.zipxxe)
To use this large ZIPXXE file you must first XXdecode (We recommend our
own version of XXdecode which works under OS/2) and UNZIP (We recommend
PKZIP also under OS/2) it.
Note: Use PKUNZIP -d to unzip !!
These files are distributed AS IS, we can not guarantee anything about
their working.
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* For a complete list of all OS/2 files available at LISTSERV@BLEKUL11 *
* get the OS2INDEX PACAKGE. *
************************************************************************
We still welcome all OS/2 related files for distribution on our LISTSERV.
Send your files to OS2@BLEKUL11.BITNET / OS2@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
we will arrange everything for distribution.
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Date: 92-05-25 14:11:35
From: Carel F. Vrijhoff <CVRIJHOF@ESTEC>
Subject: DirmanPM
I downloaded from the BLEKUL11 Network a great OS/2 Directory Manager
program, called DIRMANPM, developed by QB Software, POBox 3638
Glyndon Maryland, 21071-3638.
It is a demo version and I am very interested in buying the full
version of the program, but I am not able to get in contact with them
as I do not have a telephone or fax number. It there anybody who
know the firm and can get me more details. Much obliged....
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Date: 5/25/92 @ 9:21 AM CDT
From: Jimmy Dean <CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject: 3 Dimensional mazes
Hello!
Beginning with this message, I am sending you a
donation for OS2@BLEKUL11. I am the author of this donation. It is a
Presentation Manager program that displays mazes in three dimensions. C
source code and executables are included for both 16 and 32-bit
versions.
I am not sure where it belongs. Because it generates mazes, it
probably belongs in the "OS/2 games" section. Because it does graphics,
it might belong in "OS/2 graphics related programs". Because it
demonstrates the use of threads for sizing and painting, it might belong
in "OS/2 memory, CPU and Process related programs".
-- Jimmy Dean
CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET
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Date: 92-05-25 16:39:42
From: Carel F. Vrijhoff <CVRIJHOF@ESTEC>
Subject: OS/2 subject
I'm approaching you because I am not quite sure how to address the OS/2 forum
about problems and queries. It is the second time already, but maybe you
can tell me how to do it the proper way.
I downloaded a nice program called VMFT (IBM Host files transfer program)
No known sources so nobody to turn to to find out whether a new release
has been out or how to solve some problems we encountered. Could you
find out who (or what firm) brought it to the BLEKUL11 file list.
Thanks very much for the co-operation.
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Date: Tue May 26 09:08:16 BST 1992
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Swapper.dat
> noticed on my extremely over-stressed, memory restricted system
> (only 6 Mbytes), that the swapper.dat file can only grow - it
> never shrinks! Is this unique to my system, just like the other
No, I get the same effect. Also, I can sometimes run out of swap
without being told (least I guess that's what happens - the system
just hangs).
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
UUCP: ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!lena!mike
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Date: Tue May 26 09:48:33 BST 1992
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: IBM technical support for OS/2 2.0
> This morning a polite IBMer called to let me know that since my problem
> was "technical", support wasn't available directly from the IBM help
> line. I would have to go through my dealer. Even after explaining that
> my dealer doesn't know much about OS/2 I was firmly but politely told
> that there was no possibility of technical support direct from IBM.
Sounds a familiar story. I have been told to report problems
variously to: the dealer I bought OS/2 from (the UK User's Group),
the US CompuServe number (no, you can't report UK problems here - [why not?
are our "internal processing errors" different from those in the US?]),
the address on the registration card (IBM in Racine) and IBM Basingstoke.
None of the many IBMers I've spoken to, athough polite and helpful in
other ways, actually seem to *know* anything about OS/2 (the keyboard
tapping in the background gives it away, fellas).
Our Elec Eng students are mostly brought up on a diet of Dos + extenders.
Some of them do some GUI and operating system stuff in the last year, and
use OS/2 1.3 "because it is there". Almost without exception, they
become converts: "Why do we still use Dos?", "This doesn't keep falling
over like Windows does", "If my program crashes, I can just hit Enter
and flip straight back to the editor session" [ yes, I'm afraid our students'
test programs do crash occasionally ], etc, etc.
Most of the recent stuff on this list has been preaching to the converted.
But even the converted can backslide if their prayers (or perhaps even
bug reports), fail to receive some acknowledgement :-)
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
UUCP: ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!lena!mike
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Date: Tue, 26 May 92 14:38 CDT
From: Sean Fahey <Y13SPF1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject: Stacker under DOS and OS2, recommendations?
Normally I'd take the time to work through the bugs myself but
I've got to get Stacker working for a co-worker ASAP. Here's
the system details: 25 MHz 386, 100 Meg Storage, 4 Meg memory,
44 Meg Bernoulli. Storage is configured as follows: 1 Meg boot
manager, 2 Meg primary Dos 3.3 partition, 12 Meg extended
partition (FAT) containing OS/2 2.0, 3 more 25 Meg partions (FAT)
labeled E, F, and G.
For safety sake, non-"operating system" files must be accessable
when either DOS or OS2 are selected from Boot Manger.
Other than the normal istallation procedures involved are there
any special steps to be taken? Any tricks or tips for using
Stacker under OS/2 and Dos? Recommendations for loading Stacker
into high memory?
Again, sorry about posting this without having tried it myself
but I may find something out that will save me a heap of time.
bye,
Sean
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email address: y13spf1@niu y13spf1%niu.bitnet@uicvm.uic.edu
CGS y13spf1@vm.cso.niu.edu
NIU
DeKalb, Il 60115
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1992 08:45 EDT
From: LCLARKE@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject: Help dir deleted
My kid deleted my help subdirectory, apparently from a dos session,
in 2.0. The help icon disappeared as well. I did selective install
for documentation, which created a new help subdirectory and copied
many *.hlp files into it. But the icon didn't come back. What to do?
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Date: Sat, 30 May 92 10:39:39 -0700
From: hodges@ampere.ee.ucla.edu (hodges)
Subject: AUTODESK WANTS TO HEAR FROM OS/2 USERS
I recieved the following note from Richard Blalock on the IBM BBS
regarding efforts to get Autodesk to support OS/2 with AutoCAD,
3D Studio, Animator, etc. Note in particular that Autodesk says they are
"experimenting with NT" and awaiting "a clear sign of dominance by one or
the other."
QUESTION: How can Autodesk determine "a clear sign of dominance" of
Windows NT when it is not on the market?
Well, there is a way! WRITE LES RAND at AUTODESK and tell them you need
OS/2 support! Send him "a clear sign" that says "we have been waiting
over 5 years for an operating system, and it is here TODAY!"
Will some of you please cross-post this message on your local BBS,
CompuServe, Prodigy, comp.os.os2.misc, etc.
Thanks,
Richard
Message : 1062 (OS/2 Application Specific Q&A) Date... : 5/23/92 (2:0 Pm)
From... : Richard Blalock Refer.. : 1060
To..... : Richard Hodges Sec'ty. : Public
Subject : AutoCAD for OS/2 Rec'vd. : No
I received a follow up letter from Autodesk yesterday in response to my
letter asking for OS/2 2.0 support.
"Please allow me to reiterate Malcolm's position in his Jan. 10, 1992
letter. We have definitely NOT abandoned OS/2, nor made a decision NOT to
port R12 to it. I agree with your evaluation of OS/2 as a fine operating
system and OS/2 2.0 does look promising.
"We are, as you point out, experimenting with NT and are very optimistic
about it as well. We must, however, set our priorities in response to the
marketplace and await a clear sign of dominance by one or the other. The
good news is that they are quite similar at the API level, and a port
between the two will be relatively easy.
"I'm not sure I have really given you the ideal answer but it is, I hope,
a fair and honest exposure of our current status."
Regards,
Len Rand
Vice President, AutoCAD Division
This is not the complete letter, but most of it. Mr. Rand points out that
Dr. Davies has left Autodesk, so I suggest that we send our letters
requesting Autodesk to port AutoCAD (and their other fine products such
as 3D Studio, Animator, etc.) to Mr. Rand. He seems like a very
reasonable fellow and I hope we can persuade him to make things happen.
WRITE TO:
Mr. Len Rand
Vice President, AutoCAD Division
Autodesk, Inc.
2320 Marinship Way
Sausalito, CA 94965
Tel. 415-332-2344
Fax 415-331-8093
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 92 11:38:49 +0200
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject: BACKINI 1.0
Hello. Please find "enclosed" my new utility called BACKINI. Here is
an excerpt from the documentation. Regards, -turgut
Introducing BACKINI Version 1.0
-------------------------------
(C)1992 Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
<TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
ABSTRACT:
BACKINI allows you to make numbered backups of any files, going
back as many modifications as you would like. It only creates a new
backup file if the file it is processing has been changed since the last
backup.
Possible uses:
* Backing up all your \OS2\*.INI files against corruption
* Backing up vital data files or configuration files
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 92 17:34:12 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@AWIWUW11>
Subject: SHOWINI.CMD, BOXEDIT.CMD, REXXUTIL.DLL
Hi there,
again, I blew it by sending you SHOWINI XXE instead of the renamed file
SHOWINI ZIPXXE, sorry.
SHOWINI ZIPXXE contains the following programs:
REXXUTIL.DLL ... update DLL from IBM; for more infos see
the enclosed READ.ME.
SHOWINI.CMD ... a REXX-program to read, print, edit, delete,
move OS/2-INI-files. The batchmode of this
program allows for making backups from OS/2-
INI-files and restoring them (even OS2.INI
and OS2SYS.INI).
The backup can be produced in a true OS/2-
INI-file format or in a text-(ASCII)-format
(restore works with both).
For more infos see SHOWINI.TXT, also enclosed.
BOXEDIT.CMD ... a REXX-program (used in SHOWINI.CMD) to allow
for interactively editing text on an ASCII-
OS/2-window.
For more infos see BOXEDIT.TXT, also enclosed.
---rony
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Dr. Rony G. Flatscher (rony@wu-wien.ac.at, rony@awiwuw11.bitnet)
University of Economics and Business Administration
Augasse 2-6, A-1090 Vienna, Austria (Heart of Europe)
Tel: +43 (1) 313 36 x4443 (9-18 CET) Fax +43 (1) 34 75 55
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 00:37:06 EDT
From: Peter Landstreet <BARENT@VM1.YorkU.CA>
Subject: FYI
Hi - I've really enjoyed receiving your weekly compilation, and today
installed OS/2 2.0 on my home computer. (I'm a convert from DOS & Windows;
a prototype of the "average user" IBM seems to need to convince. I'm
convinced.) Appended is a recent posting from a discussion group on viruses
that you may want to consider for inclusion in a mailing.
All the best,
Peter Landstreet
York University
* From: FBCohen@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (fc)
* Subject: OS2 Viruses (OS/2)
* Date: 31 May 92 13:36:00 GMT
OS2 viruses:
ASP is soon going to release the ASP Protection Toolkit,
which is a version of the Integrity Toolkit for OS2. OS2 hase some
very nice advantages over DOS protection, in that the operating system
actually protects itself from arbitrary modification by user
processes!!! The access control package from IT will work far better
under OS2, and the protection from modifying executables will no
longer be bypassed by direct IO to the disk. In short, OS2 makes
sound techniques far more effective and removes all of the painful
restrictions of DOS (e.g. fitting the resident protection intto under
3K, etc.) Unfortunately for the scanner people, OS2 will not run DOS
type scanners on OS2 files with long filenames, but on the good side,
very few poor people (i.e. virus writers tend not to be rich) can
afford a system that will run OS2 (neither can I, but I'm borrowing
one). It takes 8M of RAM, and about 120M of hard disk to even bring
up a good OS/2 development system (some people tell me 16M makes it
work a lot better, but for real performance, get 1M for every 512K of
programs you run, and it will only page 33% of the time).
So in our testing, the following viruses run under OS2:
Partition table infectors work, but if they use memory, they get
mangled by OS2 pretty fast.
Boot block infectors and DIR viruses only work on FAT file systems.
File infectors work
Resident viruses that don't trace into INT13 usually work (a lot of them
barely work under DOS at all).
Viruses that require more than 8086 CPUs don't work.
Stealth viruses aren't very stealthy, since OS2 is not bypassed, only
DOS IO is forged.
As to futures:
OS2 makes it harder (nearly impossible) to write really strong viruses
against integrity checking techniques EXCEPT as device drivers. The
net effect is that access control in OS2 provides very strong defense
(assuming it implements a POset). Low level viruses have to be OS2
customized to survive the OS2 memory mangement process. Evolutionary
file infectors will continue to be a problem except for those with
integrity shells. higher level viruses, such as spreadsheet viruses
will operate unchanged. A batch file virus written in 1985, still
runs under OS2, as does a "C" virus written in 1983 and a Basic virus
written in 1984. Conclusions - OS2 helps, but we're not out of the
woods yet.
FC
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Feed from the Listearn OS2-L OS/2 Non-Editored Discussion List :
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Date: Thu, 28 May 92 10:34:28 GMT
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: Alexander Kozlenkov <AKOZLENK@ESOC1>
Subject: Re: IBM C Set/2
I am working with C Set/2 Feb,28 beta since the beginning of March.
Previously I used MSC 6.0 to do my OS/2 programming. There are many
advantages of IBM's product over that of MS. It is real 32-bit thing:
You use linear addresses for code and data, 32-bit int is the main
data type. The compiler is fast when not memory constrained, and it is
very keen at seeing type mismatches and such. The IPMD debugger is
a PM application. It is possible to define conditional breakpoints,
customize popup data windows, look at mixed (assembler-c code). You
can leave the debugger and the app being debugged and go to DOS or
anything. Extensive online helps are available. You can press Ctrl-H
on any c or os/2 function and you get the help for that. To port MSC code
I did a type match battle, used 32-integers, and paid attention to
structure aligning (you have 4-, 2-, 1-byte options).
Seeing that bugs were few (and known) in beta version, I am looking
forward to use it further.
As for C++, I'm using my own transparent OO C extension that is
debuggable, simple, includes almost all C++, but is message-based
and much more suitable for PM GUI programming.
Cheers, Alexander Kozlenkov
End of Message
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Date: Fri, 29 May 92 11:34:24 EDT
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12>
Subject: new directory announcement
This is probably too early to speak about it, but I am trying to set
up TRICKLE@FRMOP11 to carry hobbes.nmsu.edu files. For those who are
not familiar with TRICKLE, it's a distributed caching system that
provides files for the PCs. For additional help, send a /HELP
command to trickle@frmop11.bitnet, don't forget the slash
Basically, you can subscribe to the OS2 directory, and get a mail
about the new files uploaded directly from the server. You can obtain
directories interactively, and order your files interactively (interactive,
only for those with BITNET access).
For VM users, there is a full-screen interface available from
LISTSERV@TREARN, and I recommend it if your connection to this trickle
is fairly fast. Do a GET TRICKLE EXEC to that listserv to obtain the
interface.
Finally, fair warning: I added support for this directory, in a radical
way, only two days ago, and it may have some problems at first, getting
your files. Please let me know if you experience problems. I will be
testing it today some more.
Regards, -turgut
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Date: Fri, 29 May 92 08:14:02 EDT
Reply-To: pebly@vnet.ibm.com
From: Bob Pebly <pebly@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject: Re: Programming question
>I am writing a utility that I think MANY of you will find useful,
>
>However, one problem: This program suppose to display some messages
>on screen, and is invoked by CONFIG.SYS via a RUN= statement.
>
>I tried VioWrtTTY (apparently unsupported via C/Set 2), printf(),
>and with neither, the messages are displayed at startup.
>
>I have seen that a lot of device drivers display their logos when they
>are loaded. So, how the heck do they do it?
When a program is invoked via RUN=, it is the same as being started via
DETACH. Detached programs have no access to the display and keyboard
unless they do a pop up (VioPopUp). Device drivers initialize slightly
differently and have access to DosWrite & several DevHelp routines. I
believe if your program is invoked via CALL= in CONFIG.SYS, it is run
synchronously (not detached asynchronously) and can use printf() and the
VIO calls.
Bob Pebly
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's view, not those of IBM.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 92 16:15:00 U
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: BZ700474@NTIVAX
Subject: RE: Printing Problems
> I have a problem trying to print ANYTHING from OS/2. The funny thing
>is that I do not have any problems printing when I boot DOS. I have used all
>the default options from installtion, I disabled the spooler, changed LPT#
>ports in the EPSON LQ-570 driver, tried dragging documents into the printer
>and tried printing from thecommand line of OS/2-DOS and OS/2, but no avail.
>I checked my IDE controller which has 2 COM ports and a printer port. The
>address is set up as 378 andusing IRQ7.
I too have a problem trying to print under OS/2. No matter what I do, OS/2 says
my printer is switched off!
I decided to swap my multi-io card (2 serial, 1 parallel) for a new one.
Presto! Everything works fine.
It seems that early io cards have a problem generating IRQ7 for the printer
reliabily. To check if this is the case for you, there's a file PRNTST.ZIP from
Fernwood that test a printer's IRQ.
Someone mentioned something abt controlling FFs at the end of a print job.
Here's the way to do it.
1. Open up the settings menu of your printer object.
2. Select 'printer driver', which is the 2nd item/page on your right.
3. RMB on the printer driver icon.
4. Select the arrow on the right of Open.
5. A settings menu will appear. The item you're looking for is FF control, at
the top right corner.
4a. Incidentally, if you're installing a new printer driver, replace step 4
above with 'Select the last item "Install"'.
'il
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Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
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From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: A Martyr to the Cause? Larry's back for an encore.
Date: 29 May 92 20:10:41 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Many thanks to Bert who made an editing pass to check for readability, and
for posting this for me. The sysadmin was mucking with the vn server and
probably goofed it up, so I can read but not post at this moment.
------------
Dear fellow netters,
I would like to open by reminding everyone of the events of May 1, 1992.
Bert Moshier posted on comp.os.os2.misc an IBM internal "memo" that he
received from an IBM employee. Subsequent to this posting, Bert (with the
advice and consent of Steve Gallagher and myself) posted an apology and
a request that everyone let the issue lie and die. Because of this and the
events that followed, IBM terminated my employment effective Thursday, May 21,
1992, for it was I who sent Bert the "memo."
I am not writing this article to defend my actions or to accuse IBM of any
wrongdoing. IBM management had every right to do what they thought was
necessary to alleviate the situation. While I do not agree with the action
taken, I accept it with a light heart.
Some of you might find this unnerving (that I would "go down" without a fight)
but it is my firm belief that all of the whining in the world isn't going to
help the situation. Why should I waste my breath and IBM's time?
I am writing this article for two reasons:
I feel responsible for everyone in an odd sort of way.
Nary a day went by that I didn't receive one to ten mail
messages from people asking for help. I do not want you
to feel I abandoned you.
I hold Bert, and the entire IBM management staff (that was
involved in this incident), blameless for the outcome.
I *FULLY* expect everyone to do the same.
I will not be posting as frequently (that's a relative term, I realize) as
before, because now I have to pay for the long-distance charges. I can still
be reached at this address, but I will not guarantee a quick turn-around-time.
Finally, if any IBMer would like to post this internally, you have my
permission, and my gratitude. I know of no other way to convey my thanks
to the people below except through the fora.
Yours sincerely,
Larry Salomon, Jr. ('Q') ibmman@gumby.eng.clemson.edu
P.S. Look for me in the computer and/or music industry in the very near
future.
==========================
After a post mortem analysis of my career at IBM, I would like to say "thanks"
to the following people. Please, excuse me if I forgot someone. When
you received as much mail as I did, it becomes very difficult to keep track of
everyone.
First and foremost, Steve Gallagher - for not holding this against me. I know
that your days since then have not exactly been rosy. Again, I am very sorry
for doing what I did.
Bert Moshier - for making reading comp.os.os2.misc enjoyable. You designed
some brilliant marketing and advertising ideas. Maybe IBM will take some of
them to heart and finally start to advertise the many features which make
OS/2 "the platform of choice." Good luck on your VNR book. I will remain
in touch.
Cathie Dager - I was flattered by your invitation to the Rexx Symposium. I'm
sorry that I could not attend. However, I appreciate the *extreme* amount of
effort that you contributed to the idea and to the promotion of the Rexx
language.
Bob Jackowitz (I think that's his name) - for the many notes containing
bug reports about OS/2 beta and product. I'm sure that I speak for those in
Boca, when I say "thank you" for:
- your concern about OS/2 and
- your contributions in making it a better product.
Gordon Letwin - I am sorry that it took us so long to finally become friends.
Surprise everyone! Had I known earlier that I would be writing this so soon
after our becoming friends, I would have started earlier.
Please help reduce the noise in these newsgroups. Help to eliminate *all*
of the FUD spreading around in them, whether pro- or anti-OS/2, for it is
the truth that is important.
The "Enhanced Editor" (a.k.a. EPM) team - while we had our good and bad times,
I am very happy the rest of the world knows about the editor! This is
especially ironic considering the number of times you (JAC) tried to have it
transformed into an official IBM product.
The "CORE" group - we had many laughs together, but whenever I had a question
about LAN administration, you always came through with an answer.
Lee Reiswig - for many things:
- Thanks for your support (I'm sure that you know to what
I am referring)
- Thanks for sometimes answering the notes that I often sent,
for it demonstrated your willingness to listen to the "little guys"
- For getting OS/2 the press it deserves by travelling long distances
and spending much time away from your family to preach the advantages
of OS/2
- For the Blue Ninja t-shirts (now I wish I would have had you autograph
them! :)
You were and still are a role model to me!
John Tiede - for never failing to answer any of my questions or concerns on the
myriad of subjects that I bothered you with. It meant a lot more to me than
you know.
Dave Whittle - also for your marketing ingenuity and your often long-winded
appends in the various internal fora. I am glad that IBM finally recognized you
for this, although of late we saw and heard little from you. To everyone
else, Dave "hangs out" in CompuServe, and is the champion of the "little
people."
Sam Detweiler and Graham Winn - it seems that you both know everything about
OS/2. Although I rarely called upon Sam's wealth of knowledge, neither of you
ever disappointed me.
Irv Spalten, Frank Andress, and Mel Hallerman - your dedication to the success
of OS/2 is amazing! I still cannot imagine how you manage to work 48 hours in
a single day.
The entire "Boca Bunch" (especially Irene Lai, Nick Metaniau, Jim Magnuson and
his entire department, and many others) - congratulations on the release of an
amazing product! I'm glad the shift+control+alt+O combination wasn't removed.
I'm sorry that I will no longer be able to write satires of our favorite TV
themes and other songs. Hey, if there were nothing else that was worth being
excited about, at least we have our OS/2 games!!!
Mike Kogan - for demonstrating how to wear the attire to work that you do and
still command the respect from your peers that you have. :)
Alan Warren - for constantly "checking up" on me (making sure I'm not playing
games, I'll warrant! :) and for the advice that you always gave, whenever I had
a difficult design decision.
For everyone else - for tolerating my foolishness and arrogance when it was
sometimes :) unnecessary. Many times I received thanks from someone that I
had helped, and it was those notes that made it all worthwhile.
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From: Lowey@Sask.USask.CA (Kevin Lowey)
Subject: Re: IBM could lose WinOS2 in 1993!
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 31 May 1992 03:48:48 GMT
>From article <uprao.707270934@mcl>, by uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao):
(Regarding an article that says the Microsoft / IBM cross licence
agreement expires in 1993).
> Does that mean OS/2 2.0 will lose WinOS2? That would become a major
> loss IMHO, over half the apps I run now are Windows (and I don't plan
> on changing that anytime soon).
So? You can still continue running those apps. Your apps right now
are Windows 3.0 (or perhaps Windows 3.1) apps, right? If you have
OS/2, and you buy new software, you'll probably buy OS/2 32-bit (or
even 16-bit) alternatives (when they are available) instead of Windows
alternatives right?
My understanding is that IBM can continue to sell products based on
the technology transfer licence, so WINOS2 will not be taken OUT of
OS/2.
The only "problem" is that OS/2 won't get the advantage of code for
future versions of MS-Windows after the licence expires. In other
words, WINOS2 might have to stay at Windows 3.1 compatibility.
(Disclaimer, I haven't seen the agreements, and I'm not a lawyer, so
perhaps WINOS2 support will have to be dropped, but I doubt it).
Lets say that as of Jan 1 1993, IBM can't get any code from Microsoft
any more. Lets also say that after this time, Microsoft will release
Windows X.0 that isn't covered by the agreement.
1) IBM would have the beta source for Windows X.0 as of December 31 1992.
2) For Microsoft to thwart IBM, they would have to substantially
change the Beta IBM had. It would have to change enough that IBM
can't figure out how to emulate it from the last Beta they had rights
to. In addition, all these changes would have to be started AFTER
the licence agreement was finished, otherwise IBM's lawyers could
claim rights to this stuff too. This means it would take AT LEAST
6 months to add these changes, beta test the program, etc.
3) Software developers would take time to write versions of their
programs specific to Win X.0. This would probably take at least
another 6 months for a substantial number of Win X.0 programs (look at
how many Win 3.1 and OS/2 2.0 specific products there are out right
now - not very many)
4) This Win X.0 would still have to be compatible with older versions of
MS-Windows (at least, as compatible as Microsoft ever makes a new
version of Windows #8-) This means it would still be compatible
with the programs that work in WINOS2. If it isn't, people will
flock to OS/2 to keep running their programs.
So, what does this mean?
1) You ONLY have to worry if you want to run the new Win X.0 programs
that use features IBM didn't get in the cross licencing agreement.
2) You should have nothing to worry about until at least January 1
1994, because it will take that long for MS-Windows X.0 apps to start
hitting the street.
3) If by that time OS/2 2.0 hasn't reached a market share large enough
to have a solid base of OS/2 products out there, then it probably
never will and might as well throw in the towel.
4) If OS/2 DOES have a market share, then MS-Windows X.0 will be in
the same boat as OS/2 2.0 is now. Most developers will program for the
lowest common denominator, which in this case will be WINOS2
compatibility. At least with OS/2, developers have the incentive of
the full 32-bit programming environment to draw them to writing
OS/2-specific applicatoins. What would the incentive be to draw
people back to Windows X.0 that they can't get in OS/2 now?
> The report did seemed to be slanted in Microsoft's favor; it said that
> only 400,000 copies of OS/2 had been shipped so far (vs 2+ million
> Win 3.1).
My understanding is this was 400,000 in the FIRST 6 WEEKS, and that
was NEW SALES, not upgrades or "bundled" versions like the MS-Windows
figures.
What I have to wonder is why is Microsoft so scared of OS/2 that they
willingly broke their non-disclosure agreement with IBM to tell people
this little tidbit. As we can see, it won't make a damned bit of
difference. By the time it matters, OS/2 will either be a huge
success that can stand on its own, or a flop. Guess which alternative
Microsoft prefers.
The only reason for this that I can see is that Microsoft is trying to
spread more FUD. Think about it, it worked with you right? You
started thinking "Maybe I shouldn't buy OS/2 because I won't be able
to run my Windows programs".
They are doing every underhanded trick they can to make people doubt
the validity of OS/2 2.0 NOW, by talking about things that won't
affect the computer market until years from now (NT or Windows
versions not covered in the licence agreements). They are doing this
because they know that if they don't, the success of OS/2 is going to
steamroller them right out of the PC operating system market. In my
opinion, THAT'S why they are risking legal action by breaking
non-disclosure agreements.
- Kevin Lowey
--
OS/2 2.0 comes with DOS 5.0 and Windows. Windows comes with a disclaimer.
Any questions? - juan@noyles.pha.pa.us (Juan Jose T. Noyles)
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From: MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu
Subject: OS/2 Manual Part #'s Complete List
Organization: CARD
Date: Fri, 29 May 1992 02:14:28 GMT
Here is a listing of all IBM OS/2 pubs with part #s:
G325-0650 CLIENT-SERVER PROGRAMMING WITH OS/2 2.0
G362-0006 WRITING OS/2 2.0 DEVICE DRIVERS IN C
G362-0007 OS/2 USING OS/2 VERSION 2 (QUE??)
G362-0008 NOW THAT I HAVE OS/2 2.0 ON MY COMPUTER--WHAT DO I DO NEXT?
G362-0009 INTEGRATING APPLICATIONS WITH OS/2 2.0
G362-0013 C PROGRAMMING IN THE OS/2 2.0 ENVIRONMENT
G362-0014 THE OS/2 2.0 USER'S GUIDE FOR THE WORKPLACE SHELL
G362-0016 INSIDE OS/2 RELEASE 2.0
GBOF-2224 OS/2 VERSION 2 REMOTE INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE
GBOF-2254 OS/2 VERSION 2 TECHNICAL COMPENDIUM (REDBOOKS)
S10G-2993 OS/2 2.0 BASE PUBLICATIONS
S10G-3355 IBM OS/2 2.0 DEVELOPERS TOOLKIT 3.5"
S10G-3356 IBM OS/2 2.0 TECHNICAL LIBRARY
S10G-4433 OS/2 2.0 BIDIRECTIONAL NATIONAL LANGUAGE SUPPORT REFERENCE
S10G-4443 IBM C SET/2 INSTALLATION BOOKLET
S10G-4444 IBM C SET/2 USER'S GUIDE
S10G-4445 IBM C SET/2 MIGRATION GUIDE
S10G-4446 IBM C SET/2 REFERENCE SUMMARY
S10G-4447 IBM C SET/2 DEBUGGER TUTORIAL
S10G-4449 IBM C SET/2 AND IBM WORKFRAME/2:
S10G-6260 OS/2 2.0 APPLICATION DESIGN GUIDE
S10G-6261 OS/2 2.0 PROGRAMMING GUIDE VOLUME I
S10G-6262 OS/2 2.0 INFORMATION PRESENTATION FACILITY GUIDE
S10G-6263 OS/2 2.0 CONTROL PROGRAM PROGRAMMING REFERENCE (DOS API'S)
S10G-6264 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION MANAGER PROGRAMMING REFERENCE I
S10G-6265 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION MANAGER PROGRAMMING REFERENCE II
S10G-6266 OS/2 2.0 PHYSICAL DEVICE DRIVER REFERENCE
S10G-6267 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION DRIVER REFERENCE
S10G-6268 OS/2 2.0 PROCEDURES LANGUAGE 2/REXX REFERENCE
S10G-6269 OS/2 2.0 PROCEDURES LANGUAGE 2/REXX USER'S GUIDE
S10G-6272 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION MANAGER PROGRAMMING REFERENCE III
S10G-6309 OS/2 2.0 SYSTEM OBJECT MODEL REFERENCE
S10G-6310 OS/2 2.0 VIRTUAL DEVICE DRIVER REFERENCE
S10G-6312 OS/2 2.0 KEYBOARD AND CODE PAGES
S10G-6313 OS/2 2.0 COMMAND REFERENCE
S10G-6494 OS/2 2.0 PROGRAMMING GUIDE VOLUME II
S10G-6495 OS/2 2.0 PROGRAMMING GUIDE VOLUME III
SC09-1308 C REFERENCE -- LEVEL 2
***** ES 1.0 PUBS *******************************************************
G04G-1009 OS/2 ES 1.0 PRODUCT SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION DOCUMENT
G04G-1115 EXTENDED SERVICES INFORMATION AND PLANNING GUIDE
G362-0012 COMPRENENSIVE DATABASE PERFORMANCE FOR OS/2 2.0 EXT SERVICES
S04G-1000 START HERE
S04G-1001 NETWORK ADMINISTRATION GUIDE
S04G-1002 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER CONFIGURATION GUIDE
S04G-1003 PROGRAMMABLE CONFIGURATION REFERENCE
S04G-1004 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER HOST CONNECTION REFERENCE
S04G-1005 EXAMPLE SCENARIOS
S04G-1006 PROBLEM DETERMINATION FOR THE SERVICE COORDINATOR
S04G-1007 PROGRAMMING SERVICES AND ADVANCED PROBLEM DETERMIN FOR COMM
S04G-1008 WORKSTATION INSTALLATION GUIDE
S04G-1010 QUERY MANAGER USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1011 QUERY MANAGER EXERCISES
S04G-1012 SQL REFERENCE
S04G-1013 GUIDE TO DATABASE MANAGER
S04G-1014 HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE REFERENCE
S04G-1015 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1017 MESSAGES AND ERROR RECOVERY
S04G-1018 KEYBOARD LAYOUTS
S04G-1019 GLOSSARY
S04G-1020 COMMANDS REFERENCE
S04G-1021 SERVICE POINT APPLICATION ROUTER AND REMOTE OPER SVC GUIDE
S04G-1022 DATABASE MANAGER PROGRAMMING GUIDE AND REFERENCE
S04G-1023 ACDI PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1024 ACDI REDIRECTION INFORMATION AND GUIDE
S04G-1025 APPC PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1026 ECF SERVER-REQUESTER (SRPI) PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1027 EHLLAPI PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1028 CONVENTIONAL LU APPLICATION PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1029 RTIC INTERFACE CO-PROC MULTIPORT/2 DEVICE DRIVER PROG REF
S04G-1030 X.25 PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1031 SAMPLE PROGRAMS FOR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER
S04G-1111 EXTENDED SERVICES WORKSHEETS
S04G-1112 GUIDE TO UPM
S04G-1113 LAN ADAPTER AND PROTOCOL SUPPORT CONFIGURATION GUIDE
S04G-1114 GUIDE TO DATABASE APPLICATION ENABLERS
S04G-1115 PC LAN SUPPORT PROGRAM USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1116 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT PROGRAMMING REF
S04G-1117 CM KEYBOARD TEMPLATE FOR IBM PERS COMPUTER ENHANCED KBD 101
S04G-1118 CM KEYBOARD TEMPLATE FOR IBM PERS COMPUTER AT KBD/3270 EMUL
S04G-1119 CM KEYBOARD TEMPLATE FOR IBM PERS COMPUTER AT KBD/5250 EMUL
S33F-9404 EXT SERVICES AND OS/2 LAN SRVR 2.0 VENDOR INTEGRATION GDE
S96F-8312 OS/2 ES 1.0 COMM MGR ADDITIONAL FUNCTION INSTALL GUIDE
S96F-8313 OS/2 ES 1.0 PRODUCTIVITY AIDS
***** LS 2.0 PUBS *******************************************************
S04G-1032 OS/2 LAN SERV 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF VOL 1 PLANNING AND INSTALL
S04G-1033 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF VOL 2 PERFORMANCE TUNING
S04G-1034 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF VOL 3 NETWORK ADM TASKS
S04G-1035 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 USER'S QUICK REFERENCE
S04G-1037 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 DOS LAN REQUESTER USER'S QUICK REFERENCE
S04G-1038 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 DOS LAN REQUESTER WINDOWS USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1039 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 LAN SUPPORT PROGRAM USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1040 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 MASTER INDEX
S04G-1041 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 PROBLEM DETERMINATION REFERENCE VOL 1
S04G-1042 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 PROBLEM DETERMINATION REFERENCE VOL 2
S04G-1043 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 PROBLEM DETERMINATION REFERENCE VOL 3
S04G-1044 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 MIGRATION HANDBOOK
S04G-1045 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 COMMANDS REFERENCE
S04G-1046 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 APPLICATION PROGRAMMER'S REFERENCE
S04G-1080 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF SUPPLEMENT FOR OS/2 2.0
S33F-9404 EXT SERVICES AND OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 VENDOR INTEGRATION GDE
S96F-8311 COEXISTENCE GUIDE FOR OS/2 LAN SERVER AND NETWARE FROM IBM
>From the IBM OS/2 BBS
Mike Long
Iowa State University
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From: bergstro@src.honeywell.com (Pete Bergstrom)
Subject: BORLAND IS ADVERTISING OS/2!
Date: 30 May 92 01:11:19 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
On page 14 of the Spring 1992 Borland Language Express, in a sidebar
describing the advantages of ObjectVision for OS/2 2.0, Borland has
included a blurb about how to order the OS/2 2.0 upgrade from windoze,
dog, and scratch. They give the 800 number, the prices and mention
that a complete family of OS/2 2.0 development tools.
We're starting to roll...
Pete
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Today's topics:
New files on LISTSERVer
DirmanPM
3 Dimensional mazes
OS/2 subject
Re: Swapper.dat
Re: IBM technical support for OS/2 2.0
Stacker under DOS and OS2, recommendations?
Help dir deleted
AUTODESK WANTS TO HEAR FROM OS/2 USERS
BACKINI 1.0
SHOWINI.CMD, BOXEDIT.CMD, REXXUTIL.DLL
FYI
Feed from the Listearn OS2-L OS/2 Non-Editored Discussion List :
Re: IBM C Set/2
new directory announcement
Re: Programming question
RE: Printing Problems
Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
A Martyr to the Cause? Larry's back for an encore.
Re: IBM could lose WinOS2 in 1993!
OS/2 Manual Part #'s Complete List
BORLAND IS ADVERTISING OS/2!
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 92 12:00:00 +0200
From: Moderator of OS/2 Discussion Forum <OS2MOD@BLEKUL11>
Subject: New files on LISTSERVer
This is a list of new or updated OS/2 related files available from the
LISTSERV of the OS/2 Discussion Forum at BLEKUL11.
* File donated by (the author:) Jimmy Dean <CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET>
filename filetype Remarks
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3DMAZE PACKAGE 3D MAZE PM Game (with 16 & 32 bit source)
* File donated by (the author:) Rony FLATSCHER <RONY@AWIWUW11>
filename filetype Remarks
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SHOWINI PACKAGE Shows INI file (incl. REXXUTIL.DLL FIX !)
* File donated by (the author:) The Time Traveler <HE891C@GWUVM>
filename filetype Remarks
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JULY92 ZIPXXE OS/2 Monthly: July 92, Source code
* File donated by (the author:) Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
filename filetype Remarks
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BACKINI ZIPXXE Makes numbered backups of any files
* Files distributed via comp.binaries.os2
filename filetype Remarks
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AHA154X ZIPXXE Patched OS/2 2.0 Adaptec 154x driver
ATI256C1 PACKAGE ATI Wonder 256-color PM drivers
CS69 PACKAGE Compiler shell for MS compilers
EMACSP1 ZIPXXE Patch for GNU Emacs 18.58.3 for OS/2 2.0
GCC21 PACKAGE GNU C/C++ compiler (HPFS version)
GCCTXT PACKAGE ASCII docs for the GNU C/C++ compiler
OS2YOU27 PACKAGE Remote & LAN operation software
PMINFO PACKAGE View GNU hypertext manuals in PM
SH164-2 ZIPXXE SH-a csh/sh command shell hybprid
Some of the available files come in - what is called - a package. If
you request such package you will automatically receive all necesarry
files. The zipxxe (XXencoded ZIP) files that you will receive must be
concatenated into one large ZIPXXE file by means of the COPY command.
(example : copy x.zipxxe1 + x.zipxxe2 x.zipxxe)
To use this large ZIPXXE file you must first XXdecode (We recommend our
own version of XXdecode which works under OS/2) and UNZIP (We recommend
PKZIP also under OS/2) it.
Note: Use PKUNZIP -d to unzip !!
These files are distributed AS IS, we can not guarantee anything about
their working.
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* For a complete list of all OS/2 files available at LISTSERV@BLEKUL11 *
* get the OS2INDEX PACAKGE. *
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We still welcome all OS/2 related files for distribution on our LISTSERV.
Send your files to OS2@BLEKUL11.BITNET / OS2@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
we will arrange everything for distribution.
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Date: 92-05-25 14:11:35
From: Carel F. Vrijhoff <CVRIJHOF@ESTEC>
Subject: DirmanPM
I downloaded from the BLEKUL11 Network a great OS/2 Directory Manager
program, called DIRMANPM, developed by QB Software, POBox 3638
Glyndon Maryland, 21071-3638.
It is a demo version and I am very interested in buying the full
version of the program, but I am not able to get in contact with them
as I do not have a telephone or fax number. It there anybody who
know the firm and can get me more details. Much obliged....
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Date: 5/25/92 @ 9:21 AM CDT
From: Jimmy Dean <CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET>
Subject: 3 Dimensional mazes
Hello!
Beginning with this message, I am sending you a
donation for OS2@BLEKUL11. I am the author of this donation. It is a
Presentation Manager program that displays mazes in three dimensions. C
source code and executables are included for both 16 and 32-bit
versions.
I am not sure where it belongs. Because it generates mazes, it
probably belongs in the "OS/2 games" section. Because it does graphics,
it might belong in "OS/2 graphics related programs". Because it
demonstrates the use of threads for sizing and painting, it might belong
in "OS/2 memory, CPU and Process related programs".
-- Jimmy Dean
CSVCJLD@NNOMED.BITNET
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Date: 92-05-25 16:39:42
From: Carel F. Vrijhoff <CVRIJHOF@ESTEC>
Subject: OS/2 subject
I'm approaching you because I am not quite sure how to address the OS/2 forum
about problems and queries. It is the second time already, but maybe you
can tell me how to do it the proper way.
I downloaded a nice program called VMFT (IBM Host files transfer program)
No known sources so nobody to turn to to find out whether a new release
has been out or how to solve some problems we encountered. Could you
find out who (or what firm) brought it to the BLEKUL11 file list.
Thanks very much for the co-operation.
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Date: Tue May 26 09:08:16 BST 1992
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Swapper.dat
> noticed on my extremely over-stressed, memory restricted system
> (only 6 Mbytes), that the swapper.dat file can only grow - it
> never shrinks! Is this unique to my system, just like the other
No, I get the same effect. Also, I can sometimes run out of swap
without being told (least I guess that's what happens - the system
just hangs).
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
UUCP: ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!lena!mike
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Date: Tue May 26 09:48:33 BST 1992
From: Mike O'Carroll <mike@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: IBM technical support for OS/2 2.0
> This morning a polite IBMer called to let me know that since my problem
> was "technical", support wasn't available directly from the IBM help
> line. I would have to go through my dealer. Even after explaining that
> my dealer doesn't know much about OS/2 I was firmly but politely told
> that there was no possibility of technical support direct from IBM.
Sounds a familiar story. I have been told to report problems
variously to: the dealer I bought OS/2 from (the UK User's Group),
the US CompuServe number (no, you can't report UK problems here - [why not?
are our "internal processing errors" different from those in the US?]),
the address on the registration card (IBM in Racine) and IBM Basingstoke.
None of the many IBMers I've spoken to, athough polite and helpful in
other ways, actually seem to *know* anything about OS/2 (the keyboard
tapping in the background gives it away, fellas).
Our Elec Eng students are mostly brought up on a diet of Dos + extenders.
Some of them do some GUI and operating system stuff in the last year, and
use OS/2 1.3 "because it is there". Almost without exception, they
become converts: "Why do we still use Dos?", "This doesn't keep falling
over like Windows does", "If my program crashes, I can just hit Enter
and flip straight back to the editor session" [ yes, I'm afraid our students'
test programs do crash occasionally ], etc, etc.
Most of the recent stuff on this list has been preaching to the converted.
But even the converted can backslide if their prayers (or perhaps even
bug reports), fail to receive some acknowledgement :-)
--
Mike O'Carroll, Department of Electronic & Electrical Engineering,
The University, Leeds, LS2 9JT, UK
E-mail: mike@ee.leeds[.ac.uk]
UUCP: ...uunet!mcsun!uknet!lena!mike
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Date: Tue, 26 May 92 14:38 CDT
From: Sean Fahey <Y13SPF1@NIU.BITNET>
Subject: Stacker under DOS and OS2, recommendations?
Normally I'd take the time to work through the bugs myself but
I've got to get Stacker working for a co-worker ASAP. Here's
the system details: 25 MHz 386, 100 Meg Storage, 4 Meg memory,
44 Meg Bernoulli. Storage is configured as follows: 1 Meg boot
manager, 2 Meg primary Dos 3.3 partition, 12 Meg extended
partition (FAT) containing OS/2 2.0, 3 more 25 Meg partions (FAT)
labeled E, F, and G.
For safety sake, non-"operating system" files must be accessable
when either DOS or OS2 are selected from Boot Manger.
Other than the normal istallation procedures involved are there
any special steps to be taken? Any tricks or tips for using
Stacker under OS/2 and Dos? Recommendations for loading Stacker
into high memory?
Again, sorry about posting this without having tried it myself
but I may find something out that will save me a heap of time.
bye,
Sean
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1992 08:45 EDT
From: LCLARKE@ZODIAC.BITNET
Subject: Help dir deleted
My kid deleted my help subdirectory, apparently from a dos session,
in 2.0. The help icon disappeared as well. I did selective install
for documentation, which created a new help subdirectory and copied
many *.hlp files into it. But the icon didn't come back. What to do?
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Date: Sat, 30 May 92 10:39:39 -0700
From: hodges@ampere.ee.ucla.edu (hodges)
Subject: AUTODESK WANTS TO HEAR FROM OS/2 USERS
I recieved the following note from Richard Blalock on the IBM BBS
regarding efforts to get Autodesk to support OS/2 with AutoCAD,
3D Studio, Animator, etc. Note in particular that Autodesk says they are
"experimenting with NT" and awaiting "a clear sign of dominance by one or
the other."
QUESTION: How can Autodesk determine "a clear sign of dominance" of
Windows NT when it is not on the market?
Well, there is a way! WRITE LES RAND at AUTODESK and tell them you need
OS/2 support! Send him "a clear sign" that says "we have been waiting
over 5 years foran operating system, and it is here TODAY!"
Will some of you please cross-post this message on your local BBS,
CompuServe, Prodigy, comp.os.os2.misc, etc.
Thanks,
Richard
Message : 1062 (OS/2 Application Specific Q&A) Date... : 5/23/92 (2:0 Pm)
From... : Richard Blalock Refer.. : 1060
To..... : Richard Hodges Sec'ty. : Public
Subject : AutoCAD for OS/2 Rec'vd. : No
I received a follow up letter from Autodesk yesterday in response to my
letter asking for OS/2 2.0 support.
"Please allow me to reiterate Malcolm's position in his Jan. 10, 1992
letter. We have definitely NOT abandoned OS/2, nor made a decision NOT to
port R12 to it. I agree with your evaluation of OS/2 as a fine operating
system and OS/2 2.0 does look promising.
"We are, as you point out, experimenting with NT and are very optimistic
about it as well. We must, however, set our priorities in response to the
marketplace and await a clear sign of dominance by one or the other. The
good news is that they are quite similar at the API level, and a port
between the two will be relatively easy.
"I'm not sure I have really given you the ideal answer but it is, I hope,
a fair and honest exposure of our current status."
Regards,
Len Rand
Vice President, AutoCAD Division
This is not the complete letter, but most of it. Mr. Rand points out that
Dr. Davies has left Autodesk, so I suggest that we send our letters
requesting Autodesk to port AutoCAD (and their other fine products such
as 3D Studio, Animator, etc.) to Mr. Rand. He seems like a very
reasonable fellow and I hope we can persuade him to make things happen.
WRITE TO:
Mr. Len Rand
Vice President, AutoCAD Division
Autodesk, Inc.
2320 Marinship Way
Sausalito, CA 94965
Tel. 415-332-2344
Fax 415-331-8093
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 92 11:38:49 +0200
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject: BACKINI 1.0
Hello. Please find "enclosed" my new utility called BACKINI. Here is
an excerpt from the documentation. Regards, -turgut
Introducing BACKINI Version 1.0
-------------------------------
(C)1992 Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
<TURGUT@FRMOP11.BITNET>
ABSTRACT:
BACKINI allows you to make numbered backups of any files, going
back as many modifications as you would like. It only creates a new
backup file if the file it is processing has been changed since the last
backup.
Possible uses:
* Backing up all your \OS2\*.INI files against corruption
* Backing up vital data files or configuration files
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Date: Mon, 01 Jun 92 17:34:12 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@AWIWUW11>
Subject: SHOWINI.CMD, BOXEDIT.CMD, REXXUTIL.DLL
Hi there,
again, I blew it by sending you SHOWINI XXE instead of the renamed file
SHOWINI ZIPXXE, sorry.
SHOWINI ZIPXXE contains the following programs:
REXXUTIL.DLL ... update DLL from IBM; for more infos see
the enclosed READ.ME.
SHOWINI.CMD ... a REXX-program to read, print, edit, delete,
move OS/2-INI-files. The batchmode of this
program allows for making backups from OS/2-
INI-files and restoring them (even OS2.INI
and OS2SYS.INI).
The backup can be produced in a true OS/2-
INI-file format or in a text-(ASCII)-format
(restore works with both).
For more infos see SHOWINI.TXT, also enclosed.
BOXEDIT.CMD ... a REXX-program (used in SHOWINI.CMD) to allow
for interactively editing text on an ASCII-
OS/2-window.
For more infos see BOXEDIT.TXT, also enclosed.
---rony
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Dr. Rony G. Flatscher (rony@wu-wien.ac.at, rony@awiwuw11.bitnet)
University of Economics and Business Administration
Augasse 2-6, A-1090 Vienna, Austria (Heart of Europe)
Tel: +43 (1) 313 36 x4443 (9-18 CET) Fax +43 (1) 34 75 55
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Date: Tue, 02 Jun 92 00:37:06 EDT
From: Peter Landstreet <BARENT@VM1.YorkU.CA>
Subject: FYI
Hi - I've really enjoyed receiving your weekly compilation, and today
installed OS/2 2.0 on my home computer. (I'm a convert from DOS & Windows;
a prototype of the "average user" IBM seems to need to convince. I'm
convinced.) Appended is a recent posting from a discussion group on viruses
that you may want to consider for inclusion in a mailing.
All the best,
Peter Landstreet
York University
* From: FBCohen@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (fc)
* Subject: OS2 Viruses (OS/2)
* Date: 31 May 92 13:36:00 GMT
OS2 viruses:
ASP is soon going to release the ASP Protection Toolkit,
which is a version of the Integrity Toolkit for OS2. OS2 hase some
very nice advantages over DOS protection, in that the operating system
actually protects itself from arbitrary modification by user
processes!!! The access control package from IT will work far better
under OS2, and the protection from modifying executables will no
longer be bypassed by direct IO to the disk. In short, OS2 makes
sound techniques far more effective and removes all of the painful
restrictions of DOS (e.g. fitting the resident protection intto under
3K, etc.) Unfortunately for the scanner people, OS2 will not run DOS
type scanners on OS2 files with long filenames, but on the good side,
very few poor people (i.e. virus writers tend not to be rich) can
afford a system that will run OS2 (neither can I, but I'm borrowing
one). It takes 8M of RAM, and about 120M of hard disk to even bring
up a good OS/2 development system (some people tell me 16M makes it
work a lot better, but for real performance, get 1M for every 512K of
programs you run, and it will only page 33% of the time).
So in our testing, the following viruses run under OS2:
Partition table infectors work, but if they use memory, they get
mangled by OS2 pretty fast.
Boot block infectors and DIR viruses only work on FAT file systems.
File infectors work
Resident viruses that don't trace into INT13 usually work (a lot of them
barely work under DOS at all).
Viruses that require more than 8086 CPUs don't work.
Stealth viruses aren't very stealthy, since OS2 is not bypassed, only
DOS IO is forged.
As to futures:
OS2 makes it harder (nearly impossible) to write really strong viruses
against integrity checking techniques EXCEPT as device drivers. The
net effect is that access control in OS2 provides very strong defense
(assuming it implements a POset). Low level viruses have to be OS2
customized to survive the OS2 memory mangement process. Evolutionary
file infectors will continue to be a problem except for those with
integrity shells. higher level viruses, such as spreadsheet viruses
will operate unchanged. A batch file virus written in 1985, still
runs under OS2, as does a "C" virus written in 1983 and a Basic virus
written in 1984. Conclusions - OS2 helps, but we're not out of the
woods yet.
FC
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Date: Thu, 28 May 92 10:34:28 GMT
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: Alexander Kozlenkov <AKOZLENK@ESOC1>
Subject: Re: IBM C Set/2
I am working with C Set/2 Feb,28 beta since the beginning of March.
Previously I used MSC 6.0 to do my OS/2 programming. There are many
advantages of IBM's product over that of MS. It is real 32-bit thing:
You use linear addresses for code and data, 32-bit int is the main
data type. The compiler is fast when not memory constrained, and it is
very keen at seeing type mismatches and such. The IPMD debugger is
a PM application. It is possible to define conditional breakpoints,
customize popup data windows, look at mixed (assembler-c code). You
can leave the debugger and the app being debugged and go to DOS or
anything. Extensive online helps are available. You can press Ctrl-H
on any c or os/2 function and you get the help for that. To port MSC code
I did a type match battle, used 32-integers, and paid attention to
structure aligning (you have 4-, 2-, 1-byte options).
Seeing that bugs were few (and known) in beta version, I am looking
forward to use it further.
As for C++, I'm using my own transparent OO C extension that is
debuggable, simple, includes almost all C++, but is message-based
and much more suitable for PM GUI programming.
Cheers, Alexander Kozlenkov
End of Message
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Date: Fri, 29 May 92 11:34:24 EDT
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12>
Subject: new directory announcement
This is probably too early to speak about it, but I am trying to set
up TRICKLE@FRMOP11 to carry hobbes.nmsu.edu files. For those who are
not familiar with TRICKLE, it's a distributed caching system that
provides files for the PCs. For additional help, send a /HELP
command to trickle@frmop11.bitnet, don't forget the slash
Basically, you can subscribe to the OS2 directory, and get a mail
about the new files uploaded directly from the server. You can obtain
directories interactively, and order your files interactively (interactive,
only for those with BITNET access).
For VM users, there is a full-screen interface available from
LISTSERV@TREARN, and I recommend it if your connection to this trickle
is fairly fast. Do a GET TRICKLE EXEC to that listserv to obtain the
interface.
Finally, fair warning: I added support for this directory, in a radical
way, only two days ago, and it may have some problems at first, getting
your files. Please let me know if you experience problems. I will be
testing it today some more.
Regards, -turgut
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Date: Fri, 29 May 92 08:14:02 EDT
Reply-To: pebly@vnet.ibm.com
From: Bob Pebly <pebly@VNET.IBM.COM>
Subject: Re: Programming question
>I am writing a utility that I think MANY of you will find useful,
>
>However, one problem: This program suppose to display some messages
>on screen, and is invoked by CONFIG.SYS via a RUN= statement.
>
>I tried VioWrtTTY (apparently unsupported via C/Set 2), printf(),
>and with neither, the messages are displayed at startup.
>
>I have seen that a lot of device drivers display their logos when they
>are loaded. So, how the heck do they do it?
When a program is invoked via RUN=, it is the same as being started via
DETACH. Detached programs have no access to the display and keyboard
unless they do a pop up (VioPopUp). Device drivers initialize slightly
differently and have access to DosWrite & several DevHelp routines. I
believe if your program is invoked via CALL= in CONFIG.SYS, it is run
synchronously (not detached asynchronously) and can use printf() and the
VIO calls.
Bob Pebly
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's view, not those of IBM.
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Date: Mon, 1 Jun 92 16:15:00 U
Reply-To: "IBM OS/2 Unedited Discussion List" <OS2-L@FRORS12>
From: BZ700474@NTIVAX
Subject: RE: Printing Problems
> I have a problem trying to print ANYTHING from OS/2. The funny thing
>is that I do not have any problems printing when I boot DOS. I have used all
>the default options from installtion, I disabled the spooler, changed LPT#
>ports in the EPSON LQ-570 driver, tried dragging documents into the printer
>and tried printing from thecommand line of OS/2-DOS and OS/2, but no avail.
>I checked my IDE controller which has 2 COM ports and a printer port. The
>address is set up as 378 andusing IRQ7.
I too have a problem trying to print under OS/2. No matter what I do, OS/2 says
my printer is switched off!
I decided to swap my multi-io card (2 serial, 1 parallel) for a new one.
Presto! Everything works fine.
It seems that early io cards have a problem generating IRQ7 for the printer
reliabily. To check if this is the case for you, there's a file PRNTST.ZIP from
Fernwood that test a printer's IRQ.
Someone mentioned something abt controlling FFs at the end of a print job.
Here's the way to do it.
1. Open up the settings menu of your printer object.
2. Select 'printer driver', which is the 2nd item/page on your right.
3. RMB on the printer driver icon.
4. Select the arrow on the right of Open.
5. A settings menu will appear. The item you're looking for is FF control, at
the top right corner.
4a. Incidentally, if you're installing a new printer driver, replace step 4
above with 'Select the last item "Install"'.
'il
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From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: A Martyr to the Cause? Larry's back for an encore.
Date: 29 May 92 20:10:41 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Many thanks to Bert who made an editing pass to check for readability, and
for posting this for me. The sysadmin was mucking with the vn server and
probably goofed it up, so I can read but not post at this moment.
------------
Dear fellow netters,
I would like to open by reminding everyone of the events of May 1, 1992.
Bert Moshier posted on comp.os.os2.misc an IBM internal "memo" that he
received from an IBM employee. Subsequent to this posting, Bert (with the
advice and consent of Steve Gallagher and myself) posted an apology and
a request that everyone let the issue lie and die. Because of this and the
events that followed, IBM terminated my employment effective Thursday, May 21,
1992, for it was I who sent Bert the "memo."
I am not writing this article to defend my actions or to accuse IBM of any
wrongdoing. IBM management had every right to do what they thought was
necessary to alleviate the situation. While I do not agree with the action
taken, I accept it with a light heart.
Some of you might find this unnerving (that I would "go down" without a fight)
but it is my firm belief that all of the whining in the world isn't going to
help the situation. Why should I waste my breath and IBM's time?
I am writing this article for two reasons:
I feel responsible for everyone in an odd sort of way.
Nary a day went by that I didn't receive one to ten mail
messages from people asking for help. I do not want you
to feel I abandoned you.
I hold Bert, and the entire IBM management staff (that was
involved in this incident), blameless for the outcome.
I *FULLY* expect everyone to do the same.
I will not be posting as frequently (that's a relative term, I realize) as
before, because now I have to pay for the long-distance charges. I can still
be reached at this address, but I will not guarantee a quick turn-around-time.
Finally, if any IBMer would like to post this internally, you have my
permission, and my gratitude. I know of no other way to convey my thanks
to the people below except through the fora.
Yours sincerely,
Larry Salomon, Jr. ('Q') ibmman@gumby.eng.clemson.edu
P.S. Look for me in the computer and/or music industry in the very near
future.
==========================
After a post mortem analysis of my career at IBM, I would like to say "thanks"
to the following people. Please, excuse me if I forgot someone. When
you received as much mail as I did, it becomes very difficult to keep track of
everyone.
First and foremost, Steve Gallagher - for not holding this against me. I know
that your days since then have not exactly been rosy. Again, I am very sorry
for doing what I did.
Bert Moshier - for making reading comp.os.os2.misc enjoyable. You designed
some brilliant marketing and advertising ideas. Maybe IBM will take some of
them to heart and finally start to advertise the many features which make
OS/2 "the platform of choice." Good luck on your VNR book. I will remain
in touch.
Cathie Dager - I was flattered by your invitation to the Rexx Symposium. I'm
sorry that I could not attend. However, I appreciate the *extreme* amount of
effort that you contributed to the idea and to the promotion of the Rexx
language.
Bob Jackowitz (I think that's his name) - for the many notes containing
bug reports about OS/2 beta and product. I'm sure that I speak for those in
Boca, when I say "thank you" for:
- your concern about OS/2 and
- your contributions in making it a better product.
Gordon Letwin - I am sorry that it took us so long to finally become friends.
Surprise everyone! Had I known earlier that I would be writing this so soon
after our becoming friends, I would have started earlier.
Please help reduce the noise in these newsgroups. Help to eliminate *all*
of the FUD spreading around in them, whether pro- or anti-OS/2, for it is
the truth that is important.
The "Enhanced Editor" (a.k.a. EPM) team - while we had our good and bad times,
I am very happy the rest of the world knows about the editor! This is
especially ironic considering the number of times you (JAC) tried to have it
transformed into an official IBM product.
The "CORE" group - we had many laughs together, but whenever I had a question
about LAN administration, you always came through with an answer.
Lee Reiswig - for many things:
- Thanks for your support (I'm sure that you know to what
I am referring)
- Thanks for sometimes answering the notes that I often sent,
for it demonstrated your willingness to listen to the "little guys"
- For getting OS/2 the press it deserves by travelling long distances
and spending much time away from your family to preach the advantages
of OS/2
- For the Blue Ninja t-shirts (now I wish I would have had you autograph
them! :)
You were and still are a role model to me!
John Tiede - for never failing to answer any of my questions or concerns on the
myriad of subjects that I bothered you with. It meant a lot more to me than
you know.
Dave Whittle - also for your marketing ingenuity and your often long-winded
appends in the various internal fora. I am glad that IBM finally recognized you
for this, although of late we saw and heard little from you. To everyone
else, Dave "hangs out" in CompuServe, and is the champion of the "little
people."
Sam Detweiler and Graham Winn - it seems that you both know everything about
OS/2. Although I rarely called upon Sam's wealth of knowledge, neither of you
ever disappointed me.
Irv Spalten, Frank Andress, and Mel Hallerman - your dedication to the success
of OS/2 is amazing! I still cannot imagine how you manage to work 48 hours in
a single day.
The entire "Boca Bunch" (especially Irene Lai, Nick Metaniau, Jim Magnuson and
his entire department, and many others) - congratulations on the release of an
amazing product! I'm glad the shift+control+alt+O combination wasn't removed.
I'm sorry that I will no longer be able to write satires of our favorite TV
themes and other songs. Hey, if there were nothing else that was worth being
excited about, at least we have our OS/2 games!!!
Mike Kogan - for demonstrating how to wear the attire to work that you do and
still command the respect from your peers that you have. :)
Alan Warren - for constantly "checking up" on me (making sure I'm not playing
games, I'll warrant! :) and for the advice that you always gave, whenever I had
a difficult design decision.
For everyone else - for tolerating my foolishness and arrogance when it was
sometimes :) unnecessary. Many times I received thanks from someone that I
had helped, and it was those notes that made it all worthwhile.
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From: Lowey@Sask.USask.CA (Kevin Lowey)
Subject: Re: IBM could lose WinOS2 in 1993!
Organization: University of Saskatchewan
Date: Sun, 31 May 1992 03:48:48 GMT
>From article <uprao.707270934@mcl>, by uprao@mcl.ucsb.edu (Parik Rao):
(Regarding an article that says the Microsoft / IBM cross licence
agreement expires in 1993).
> Does that mean OS/2 2.0 will lose WinOS2? That would become a major
> loss IMHO, over half the apps I run now are Windows (and I don't plan
> on changing that anytime soon).
So? You can still continue running those apps. Your apps right now
are Windows 3.0 (or perhaps Windows 3.1) apps, right? If you have
OS/2, and you buy new software, you'll probably buy OS/2 32-bit (or
even 16-bit) alternatives (when they are available) instead of Windows
alternatives right?
My understanding is that IBM can continue to sell products based on
the technology transfer licence, so WINOS2 will not be taken OUT of
OS/2.
The only "problem" is that OS/2 won't get the advantage of code for
future versions of MS-Windows after the licence expires. In other
words, WINOS2 might have to stay at Windows 3.1 compatibility.
(Disclaimer, I haven't seen the agreements, and I'm not a lawyer, so
perhaps WINOS2 support will have to be dropped, but I doubt it).
Lets say that as of Jan 1 1993, IBM can't get any code from Microsoft
any more. Lets also say that after this time, Microsoft will release
Windows X.0 that isn't covered by the agreement.
1) IBM would have the beta source for Windows X.0 as of December 31 1992.
2) For Microsoft to thwart IBM, they would have to substantially
change the Beta IBM had. It would have to change enough that IBM
can't figure out how to emulate it from the last Beta they had rights
to. In addition, all these changes would have to be started AFTER
the licence agreement was finished, otherwise IBM's lawyers could
claim rights to this stuff too. This means it would take AT LEAST
6 months to add these changes, beta test the program, etc.
3) Software developers would take time to write versions of their
programs specific to Win X.0. This would probably take at least
another 6 months for a substantial number of Win X.0 programs (look at
how many Win 3.1 and OS/2 2.0 specific products there are out right
now - not very many)
4) This Win X.0 would still have to be compatible with older versions of
MS-Windows (at least, as compatible as Microsoft ever makes a new
version of Windows #8-) This means it would still be compatible
with the programs that work in WINOS2. If it isn't, people will
flock to OS/2 to keep running their programs.
So, what does this mean?
1) You ONLY have to worry if you want to run the new Win X.0 programs
that use features IBM didn't get in the cross licencing agreement.
2) You should have nothing to worry about until at least January 1
1994, because it will take that long for MS-Windows X.0 apps to start
hitting the street.
3) If by that time OS/2 2.0 hasn't reached a market share large enough
to have a solid base of OS/2 products out there, then it probably
never will and might as well throw in the towel.
4) If OS/2 DOES have a market share, then MS-Windows X.0 will be in
the same boat as OS/2 2.0 is now. Most developers will program for the
lowest common denominator, which in this case will be WINOS2
compatibility. At least with OS/2, developers have the incentive of
the full 32-bit programming environment to draw them to writing
OS/2-specific applicatoins. What would the incentive be to draw
people back to Windows X.0 that they can't get in OS/2 now?
> The report did seemed to be slanted in Microsoft's favor; it said that
> only 400,000 copies of OS/2 had been shipped so far (vs 2+ million
> Win 3.1).
My understanding is this was 400,000 in the FIRST 6 WEEKS, and that
was NEW SALES, not upgrades or "bundled" versions like the MS-Windows
figures.
What I have to wonder is why is Microsoft so scared of OS/2 that they
willingly broke their non-disclosure agreement with IBM to tell people
this little tidbit. As we can see, it won't make a damned bit of
difference. By the time it matters, OS/2 will either be a huge
success that can stand on its own, or a flop. Guess which alternative
Microsoft prefers.
The only reason for this that I can see is that Microsoft is trying to
spread more FUD. Think about it, it worked with you right? You
started thinking "Maybe I shouldn't buy OS/2 because I won't be able
to run my Windows programs".
They are doing every underhanded trick they can to make people doubt
the validity of OS/2 2.0 NOW, by talking about things that won't
affect the computer market until years from now (NT or Windows
versions not covered in the licence agreements). They are doing this
because they know that if they don't, the success of OS/2 is going to
steamroller them right out of the PC operating system market. In my
opinion, THAT'S why they are risking legal action by breaking
non-disclosure agreements.
- Kevin Lowey
--
OS/2 2.0 comes with DOS 5.0 and Windows. Windows comes with a disclaimer.
Any questions? - juan@noyles.pha.pa.us (Juan Jose T. Noyles)
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From: MLONG@isucard.card.iastate.edu
Subject: OS/2 Manual Part #'s Complete List
Organization: CARD
Date: Fri, 29 May 1992 02:14:28 GMT
Here is a listing of all IBM OS/2 pubs with part #s:
G325-0650 CLIENT-SERVER PROGRAMMING WITH OS/2 2.0
G362-0006 WRITING OS/2 2.0 DEVICE DRIVERS IN C
G362-0007 OS/2 USING OS/2 VERSION 2 (QUE??)
G362-0008 NOW THAT I HAVE OS/2 2.0 ON MY COMPUTER--WHAT DO I DO NEXT?
G362-0009 INTEGRATING APPLICATIONS WITH OS/2 2.0
G362-0013 C PROGRAMMING IN THE OS/2 2.0 ENVIRONMENT
G362-0014 THE OS/2 2.0 USER'S GUIDE FOR THE WORKPLACE SHELL
G362-0016 INSIDE OS/2 RELEASE 2.0
GBOF-2224 OS/2 VERSION 2 REMOTE INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE
GBOF-2254 OS/2 VERSION 2 TECHNICAL COMPENDIUM (REDBOOKS)
S10G-2993 OS/2 2.0 BASE PUBLICATIONS
S10G-3355 IBM OS/2 2.0 DEVELOPERS TOOLKIT 3.5"
S10G-3356 IBM OS/2 2.0 TECHNICAL LIBRARY
S10G-4433 OS/2 2.0 BIDIRECTIONAL NATIONAL LANGUAGE SUPPORT REFERENCE
S10G-4443 IBM C SET/2 INSTALLATION BOOKLET
S10G-4444 IBM C SET/2 USER'S GUIDE
S10G-4445 IBM C SET/2 MIGRATION GUIDE
S10G-4446 IBM C SET/2 REFERENCE SUMMARY
S10G-4447 IBM C SET/2 DEBUGGER TUTORIAL
S10G-4449 IBM C SET/2 AND IBM WORKFRAME/2:
S10G-6260 OS/2 2.0 APPLICATION DESIGN GUIDE
S10G-6261 OS/2 2.0 PROGRAMMING GUIDE VOLUME I
S10G-6262 OS/2 2.0 INFORMATION PRESENTATION FACILITY GUIDE
S10G-6263 OS/2 2.0 CONTROL PROGRAM PROGRAMMING REFERENCE (DOS API'S)
S10G-6264 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION MANAGER PROGRAMMING REFERENCE I
S10G-6265 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION MANAGER PROGRAMMING REFERENCE II
S10G-6266 OS/2 2.0 PHYSICAL DEVICE DRIVER REFERENCE
S10G-6267 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION DRIVER REFERENCE
S10G-6268 OS/2 2.0 PROCEDURES LANGUAGE 2/REXX REFERENCE
S10G-6269 OS/2 2.0 PROCEDURES LANGUAGE 2/REXX USER'S GUIDE
S10G-6272 OS/2 2.0 PRESENTATION MANAGER PROGRAMMING REFERENCE III
S10G-6309 OS/2 2.0 SYSTEM OBJECT MODEL REFERENCE
S10G-6310 OS/2 2.0 VIRTUAL DEVICE DRIVER REFERENCE
S10G-6312 OS/2 2.0 KEYBOARD AND CODE PAGES
S10G-6313 OS/2 2.0 COMMAND REFERENCE
S10G-6494 OS/2 2.0 PROGRAMMING GUIDE VOLUME II
S10G-6495 OS/2 2.0 PROGRAMMING GUIDE VOLUME III
SC09-1308 C REFERENCE -- LEVEL 2
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G04G-1009 OS/2 ES 1.0 PRODUCT SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION DOCUMENT
G04G-1115 EXTENDED SERVICES INFORMATION AND PLANNING GUIDE
G362-0012 COMPRENENSIVE DATABASE PERFORMANCE FOR OS/2 2.0 EXT SERVICES
S04G-1000 START HERE
S04G-1001 NETWORK ADMINISTRATION GUIDE
S04G-1002 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER CONFIGURATION GUIDE
S04G-1003 PROGRAMMABLE CONFIGURATION REFERENCE
S04G-1004 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER HOST CONNECTION REFERENCE
S04G-1005 EXAMPLE SCENARIOS
S04G-1006 PROBLEM DETERMINATION FOR THE SERVICE COORDINATOR
S04G-1007 PROGRAMMING SERVICES AND ADVANCED PROBLEM DETERMIN FOR COMM
S04G-1008 WORKSTATION INSTALLATION GUIDE
S04G-1010 QUERY MANAGER USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1011 QUERY MANAGER EXERCISES
S04G-1012 SQL REFERENCE
S04G-1013 GUIDE TO DATABASE MANAGER
S04G-1014 HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE REFERENCE
S04G-1015 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1017 MESSAGES AND ERROR RECOVERY
S04G-1018 KEYBOARD LAYOUTS
S04G-1019 GLOSSARY
S04G-1020 COMMANDS REFERENCE
S04G-1021 SERVICE POINT APPLICATION ROUTER AND REMOTE OPER SVC GUIDE
S04G-1022 DATABASE MANAGER PROGRAMMING GUIDE AND REFERENCE
S04G-1023 ACDI PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1024 ACDI REDIRECTION INFORMATION AND GUIDE
S04G-1025 APPC PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1026 ECF SERVER-REQUESTER (SRPI) PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1027 EHLLAPI PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1028 CONVENTIONAL LU APPLICATION PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1029 RTIC INTERFACE CO-PROC MULTIPORT/2 DEVICE DRIVER PROG REF
S04G-1030 X.25 PROGRAMMING REFERENCE
S04G-1031 SAMPLE PROGRAMS FOR COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER
S04G-1111 EXTENDED SERVICES WORKSHEETS
S04G-1112 GUIDE TO UPM
S04G-1113 LAN ADAPTER AND PROTOCOL SUPPORT CONFIGURATION GUIDE
S04G-1114 GUIDE TO DATABASE APPLICATION ENABLERS
S04G-1115 PC LAN SUPPORT PROGRAM USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1116 COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT PROGRAMMING REF
S04G-1117 CM KEYBOARD TEMPLATE FOR IBM PERS COMPUTER ENHANCED KBD 101
S04G-1118 CM KEYBOARD TEMPLATE FOR IBM PERS COMPUTER AT KBD/3270 EMUL
S04G-1119 CM KEYBOARD TEMPLATE FOR IBM PERS COMPUTER AT KBD/5250 EMUL
S33F-9404 EXT SERVICES AND OS/2 LAN SRVR 2.0 VENDOR INTEGRATION GDE
S96F-8312 OS/2 ES 1.0 COMM MGR ADDITIONAL FUNCTION INSTALL GUIDE
S96F-8313 OS/2 ES 1.0 PRODUCTIVITY AIDS
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S04G-1032 OS/2 LAN SERV 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF VOL 1 PLANNING AND INSTALL
S04G-1033 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF VOL 2 PERFORMANCE TUNING
S04G-1034 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF VOL 3 NETWORK ADM TASKS
S04G-1035 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 USER'S QUICK REFERENCE
S04G-1037 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 DOS LAN REQUESTER USER'S QUICK REFERENCE
S04G-1038 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 DOS LAN REQUESTER WINDOWS USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1039 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 LAN SUPPORT PROGRAM USER'S GUIDE
S04G-1040 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 MASTER INDEX
S04G-1041 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 PROBLEM DETERMINATION REFERENCE VOL 1
S04G-1042 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 PROBLEM DETERMINATION REFERENCE VOL 2
S04G-1043 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 PROBLEM DETERMINATION REFERENCE VOL 3
S04G-1044 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 MIGRATION HANDBOOK
S04G-1045 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 COMMANDS REFERENCE
S04G-1046 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 APPLICATION PROGRAMMER'S REFERENCE
S04G-1080 OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 NETWORK ADM REF SUPPLEMENT FOR OS/2 2.0
S33F-9404 EXT SERVICES AND OS/2 LAN SERVER 2.0 VENDOR INTEGRATION GDE
S96F-8311 COEXISTENCE GUIDE FOR OS/2 LAN SERVER AND NETWARE FROM IBM
>From the IBM OS/2 BBS
Mike Long
Iowa State University
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From: bergstro@src.honeywell.com (Pete Bergstrom)
Subject: BORLAND IS ADVERTISING OS/2!
Date: 30 May 92 01:11:19 GMT
Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center
On page 14 of the Spring 1992 Borland Language Express, in a sidebar
describing the advantages of ObjectVision for OS/2 2.0, Borland has
included a blurb about how to order the OS/2 2.0 upgrade from windoze,
dog, and scratch. They give the 800 number, the prices and mention
that a complete family of OS/2 2.0 development tools.
We're starting to roll...
Pete
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