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OS/2 Discussion Forum Mon, March 09, 1992 Volume 9203 Issue 02
Mon, March 16, 1992 Volume 9203 Issue 03
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Today's topics:
Administrativia
New files on LISTSERVer
token ring extension through a modem
Tseng ET 4000 Driver for VGA Ultra requested
Magazine network addresses
Sending Email to Computer Magazines
Submissions of files
Redirecting LPT1 to a file in the DOS box.
Looking for a way to start DOS sessions from OS/2 with parameters
Need to Read and Write to VDM's from REXX or C Program.
e2.xxe
Trying to automate TCP/IP Telneting
Dan Bricklin's Demo & Grasp
os2 help
Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
Gordon and MicroShafting..
Re: IBM confusion on >16MB support
Goodbye Everyone
Re: Goodbye Everyone
TEAM OS/2
Re: Seamless Windows Support Dumped?
A rarity of an article
Re: Update on TEAM OS/2
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Date: Mon 16 Mar 1992, 12:00:00 +0100
From: Moderator of the OS/2 Discussion Forum <OS2MOD@BLEKUL11>
Subject: Administrativia
Hello,
Once again, welcome to all of you subscribing directly and indirectly
to this digest. We do now have 968 direct subscribers, of which lots
of redirection points. Our IBM 3090-600 feels the load when we "ship"
a new edition ... :-) We hope you enjoy applying 5050 to OS/2 1.3, or
installing 1.3.2, we hope you enjoy testing OS/2 2.0 Beta driver 6.304E.
D-Day is now two weeks away ... Let's hope the OS/2 TEAM is able to
ship a stable product (even some weeks late ...)
Our LISTSERV is crowded with new and older OS/2 files, as you may have
noticed. Plans exist to allow for FTP access too. Let's wait and see.
This weeks edition is once again a combination of 2 weeks of news
gathering in the Usenet groups and Q&A sent to us directly.
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Date: Mon 16 Mar 1992, 12:00:00 +0100
From: Moderator of the OS/2 Discussion Forum <OS2MOD@BLEKUL11>
Subject: New files on LISTSERVer
This is a list of new or updated OS/2 related files available from the
LISTSERV of the OS/2 Discussion Forum at BLEKUL11.
* File donated by (the author:) Mike O'Carroll <lmoc@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
E2 PACKAGE Rand editor e
* File donated by (the author:) Ronny Flatscher <RONY@AWIWUW11>
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
UUENCODE EXEBIN UUDECODE (Fam, Win & Long filenames)
UUDECODE EXEBIN UUDECODE (Fam, Win & Long filenames)
XXENCODE EXEBIN XXDECODE (Fam, Win & Long filenames)
XXENCODE EXEXXE XXDECODE (Fam, Win & Long filenames)
XXDECODE EXEBIN XXDECODE (Fam, Win & Long filenames)
XXDECODE EXEXXE XXDECODE (Fam, Win & Long filenames)
DECODE ZIPXXE Smart UU/XXDECODE utility
* Files distributed via comp.binaries.os2
filename filetype Remarks
-------- -------- -------------------------------
FAQ19F ZIPXXE OS/2 Frequent Asked Questions v. 1.9F
PS2AST48 PACKAGE PS/2 Marketing/Technical/Service assistant
177KRNL PACKAGE OS2KRNL which fixes FAT extended attributes
304BKUP PACKAGE 6.304 Workplace Shell Backup Utility
BANNER16 ZIPXXE Prints banner to stdout
COM304 ZIPXXE Fix for COM problems (OS/2 v2 304)
IBMTRBM PACKAGE NDIS Driver for IBM TR Busmaster Adapater/A
NEWSDESK PACKAGE BBS Logon news screen designer
PMGLOBE PACKAGE PM World Globe
SCSI ZIPXXE Fixed SCSI Disk Driver for family 2 machines
TCAN20 ZIPXXE Waste basket utility for OS/2 v1.2 or later
VGA304 PACKAGE Fix for VGA tearing
BACKO1 ZIPXXE Backup program
CPUTACH ZIPXXE PM analog CPU meter
DIGIB141 ZIPXXE DigiWARE DMODE (V1.3.1)
FPY3-13 PACKAGE Latest patches for floppy problems (OS/2 v2 304)
GNUMK361 PACKAGE GNU Make v3.62 Test release for emx 32 bit
HPFSLS ZIPXXE UNIX like LS for HPFS
ITSNOW10 ZIPXXE date/time display
NIKON11 ZIPXXE bitmap snapshot program for PM
OSRM21A PACKAGE Resource Monitor Facility v1.0
SMALLFNT ZIPXXE Small bit-mapped fort for PM
TINF23 PACKAGE OS/2 Tools INF file v2.3
WPS6177 PACKAGE The Unofficial Guide to the Workplace Shell
Some of the available files come in - what is called - a package. If
you request such package you will automatically receive all necesarry
files. The zipxxe (XXencoded ZIP) files that you will receive must be
concatenated into one large ZIPXXE file by means of the COPY command.
(example : copy x.zipxxe1 + x.zipxxe2 x.zipxxe)
To use this large ZIPXXE file you must first XXdecode (We recommend our
own version of XXdecode which works under OS/2) and UNZIP (We recommend
PKZIP also under OS/2) it.
Note: Use PKUNZIP -d to unzip !!
These files are distributed AS IS, we can not guarantee anything about
their working.
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* For a complete list of all OS/2 files available at LISTSERV@BLEKUL11 *
* get the OS2INDEX PACAKGE. *
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We still welcome all OS/2 related files for distribution on our LISTSERV.
Send your files to OS2@BLEKUL11.BITNET / OS2@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be
we will arrange everything for distribution.
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Date: Fri, 06 Mar 92 10:56:24 CET
From: Christian.Kroeppl@AWIIMC12.IMC.UNIVIE.AC.AT
Subject: token ring extension through a modem
> We have an IBM Tokenring network (16Mbit/s, UTP, IBM LAN Server)
> with OS/2 clients (PS/2 >= 70).
> We have requirement to access this network from remote locations
> via modem connections. The remote location will contain only one PC
> (i.e. for staff working at home).
> Any suggestions about implementations where the LAN Requester on the
> remote client has the same possibilities as a client with a direct
> connection to the TRN.
We have the same needs too and have to use the Communication Manager
for connections to a 3090 host on these remote stations.
Please copy replies to my userid too.
Christian Kroeppl
University af Vienna
Department of Medical Computer Science
Bitnet: Kroeppl@awiimc12.bitnet
Internet: Kroeppl@vm.imc-Wien.ac.at
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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1992 10:46 GMT +0100
From: Christoph Martin <MARTIN@VIPMZM.Physik.Uni-Mainz.de>
Subject: Tseng ET 4000 Driver for VGA Ultra requested
I want to use the anhanced graphics graphics modes (640x480, 256 colors;
640x480, 32768 colors; 800x600, 16 colors; 800x600, 256 colors;
1024x768, 16 colors) of my VGA Ultra Board with Tseng ET4000 under
OS/2 1.3 and OS/2 1.4. I know that there is a posibility to install new
device drivers with DDINST and an installation script.
Which is the best (public domain) driver and where can I get incl.
installation script and documentation?
Christoph Martin martin@vipmzm.physik.uni-mainz.de
Institut of Physik
University of Mainz
Germany
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Date: Mon, 09 Mar 92 16:13:27 EDT
From: Turgut Kalfaoglu <TURGUT@FRORS12.BITNET>
Subject: Magazine network addresses
I'd like to forward an article that I found in comp.os.os2.misc:
From: dab6@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
Subject: Sending Email to Computer Magazines
For all of you usenet readers who have wanted to write to magazines
to tell them that you wish that they would spend more time covering
OS/2 topics but have been too lazy to buy a stamp, many magazines
can recieve email.
A steadily increasing flow of requests as March 31 approaches may
help to generate the detailed coverage that OS/2 2.0 deserves.
This could also serve as a useful way to complain to these magazines
should they print incorrect or half true articles about OS/2.
Info World:
73267.1537@compuserve.com
350-2648@mcimail.com
PC computing:
76000.21@compuserve.com
350-2648@mcimail.com
Byte:
250-0135@mcimail.com
ComputerWorld:
COMPUTERWORLD@mcimail.com
!PC magazine:
! 157-9301@mcimail.com
Get to it !
Douglas Bell-
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 17:48:43 WUT
From: FLATSCHER Rony <RONY@AWIWUW11>
Subject: Submissions of files
Hi there,
I just transmitted some files to your site.
1) MAK_DECO.cmd is a self-constructing REXX-script which produces
DECODE.CMD.
DECODE.CMD is a script for OS/2 version 2.0 and needs all the
RxUtil-functions loaded. To do that, create a REXX-script called
LOADFCS.CMD containing the following lines:
/* load the loader-function: */
CALL RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs', 'RexxUtil', 'SysLoadFuncs'
/* load the REXX-Sys*-utilities of 32bit OS/2 */
CALL SysLoadFuncs
SAY "REXX - utilities loaded."
Call LOADFCS.CMD on boot-up time. Other REXX-utility need these
valuable functions too.
DECODE.CMD **replaces** the existing one and contains a totally
new logic!
Usage: DECODE
It will harvest all UU- and XX-encoded chunks, resort them,
remove all mail-headers and -footers, assemble the chunks and
then decode the resulting files with XXDECODE or UUDECODE.
In addition, if you specify as an argument U or X it just will
use UUDECODE resp. XXDECODE to decode **all** encoded files, no
matter with which method they originally were encoded. This means
that you are able to decode UUencoded files with XXdecode and
vice-versa.
Explanation: UU??CODE and XX??CODE contain basically the same
code. The difference between the two is the translation table
which contains no blanks in the case of XX??CODE. Given a
translation table both DECODE-programs can decode any file.
XXENCODE allways produces a translation table, whereas
UUENCODE does **not**. In addition UUENCODE is floating
around in different versions, having a blank in their
inherent translation table *and* having a ' (quote) *in addition*
to the blank for the same code-character !
DECODE.CMD in this version checks the first UUencoded chunk
to see whether it contains the quote too and if so will translate
all quotes into blanks. It supplies the appropriate UU-translation
table, so XXDECODE can work properly on the assembled file.
Limitations: Due to the numerous ways people on the net embed the
encoded file-chunks the case may arise that one assembly would not
work because it contains illegal characters. In such a case the
chunks remain on disk together with the assembled file so you can
check the cause of problem by hand. In such a case you need to
assemble the encoded file by hand.
Because of this I have been using DECODE.CMD for a couple of weeks
on numerous UU- and XX-encoded files and changed the code adaptively
to account for the most popular behaviors. Therefore, I estimate
a limitation-hit in 1 case out of 100.
2) UU_XX.ZIPXXE, MAKE_XXD.CMD and MAKE_UUD.CMD
This is a mere recompilation of your sources. In addition to family-
mode, window-compatible I marked them as long-file-name compatible
(which I forgot the last time). Therefore I supply the REXX-procedures
to create XXDECODE and UUDECODE with MAKE_XXD.CMD resp. MAKE_UUD.CMD.
The CMD-files work on both OS/2-versions (1.x and 2.x).
Have fun.
---rony
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 01:00:12 -0500
From: hersey@occs.cs.oberlin.edu
Subject: Redirecting LPT1 to a file in the DOS box.
Does anybody know of a utility which will capture data sent to LPT1
by an application running in the OS/2 1.3 DOS (in)compatibility box,
and save it to a file?
I have two utilities (DISKPR.EXE and PRN2FILE.COM) which work well under
native DOS, but neither will work in the DOS box.
I would also appreciate a good explanation of why these utilities (or most
TSRs in general) have trouble running in the DOS box.
Thanks,
David Hersey
reply to: hersey@occs.cs.oberlin.edu -- internet
hersey%occs.cs.oberlin.edu@ocvaxa -- BitNet
(* DHERSEY, David Hersey CSD/ASIST 2MN 4-1555, 03/10/92, 16:57 *)
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Date: 13 Mar 92 09:51:33 EST
From: David John Marotta <djm5g%Virginia.EDU@dmt03.mcc.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: Looking for a way to start DOS sessions from OS/2 with parameters
I have the need to start a virtual DOS session from a PM program (which is
quite easy, just name the program in a batch file) but what I cannot do
is change the DOS parameters. The program is a background communications
program and needs the IDLE_SESITIVITY set to 100%.
I am using the LA build of 2.0, if that matters
Please respond directly to me in addition to the discussion forum.
Thanks,
David John Marotta, Medical Center Computing, Stacey Hall
Univ of Virginia (804) 982-3718 wrk INTERNET: djm5g@virginia.edu
Box 512 Med Cntr (804) 924-5261 msg BITNET: djm5g@virginia
C'ville VA 22908 (804) 296-7209 fax IBM US: usuvarg8
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Date: 13 Mar 92 09:55:55 EST
From: David John Marotta <djm5g%Virginia.EDU@dmt03.mcc.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: Need to Read and Write to VDM's from REXX or C Program.
I have used IBM's internal use tool (RXHOST) which REXX enables Communications
Manager Screens allowing a REXX program to read and write to these screens
including selective searching and timing, etc.
I have a need to read and write to virtual DOS machines from within another
program, either REXX enabling them, or someone to show me how to do it in
C and I can write it directly. Any suggestions of packages (interal IBM even
ok) or examples of source code would be greatly appreciated.
I am using the LA build, if that matters.
Please send responses directly to me in addition to the discussion forum.
Thanks,
David John Marotta, Medical Center Computing, Stacey Hall
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 13:30:14 GMT
From: Mike O'Carroll <lmoc@elec-eng.leeds.ac.uk>
Subject: e2.xxe
Here is an update to my port of the "Rand" editor" e2 to Dos / OS-2.
For those not familiar with this editor, here is a brief description.
e2 is a multiple text window editor. It can handle up to 8 files
simultaneously and allows the screen to be spilt horizontally or
vertically (or both). It runs under both Dos and OS/2.
It has:
* Powerful block delete/insert/move (within and between files)
* Search and replace (with or without regular expressions)
* Last edit memory
* Ability to pipe text through (well-behaved) external commands and
back to the file
* Center, justify and fill filters
* N line mode for OS/2 and special Dos drivers only (N > 25)
* Auto wrap or horizontal scroll screen modes
* Large file capability
* Auto backup of last version
* Temporary record of all lines changed/deleted/moved (for recovery)
* Idiosyncratic keystokes (remappable to some extent)
* Lots of thrashing by staff & students here :-)
It hasn't
* Context sensitive help
* Mouse support
* Pretty colours
* A price tag
Hope someone finds it useful.
Mike
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Date: 13 Mar 92 10:02:00 EST
From: David John Marotta <djm5g%Virginia.EDU@dmt03.mcc.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: Trying to automate TCP/IP Telneting
I am using TCP/IP version 1.1 and the LA build of OS/2 2.0. I am trying
to automate a Telnet session with a command such as:
tn site <input.asc >>output.asc
But the input is not taken from the file, it is still taken from the
keyboard. In another message I asked if there was a way to read and write
to virtual DOS sessions. If I could read and write to other OS/2
sessions I could probably solve it that way. Alternately does anyone
have any ideas?
I have sucessfully given the following command:
ftp site <input.asc >output.asc
and the only thing I needed to type from the keyboard was the password
of the account I was ftp-ing to. Can some TCP/IP experts tell me why
the password is different (the request is in the middle of the input.asc
stream) and it alone cannot be redirected. Is something similar
happening with the Telnet access?
Please send responses directly to me in addition to the discussion forum.
Thanks!
David John Marotta, Medical Center Computing, Stacey Hall
Univ of Virginia (804) 982-3718 wrk INTERNET: djm5g@virginia.edu
Box 512 Med Cntr (804) 924-5261 msg BITNET: djm5g@virginia
C'ville VA 22908 (804) 296-7209 fax IBM US: usuvarg8
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 92 12:11:12 EDT
From: David Hopkins <HNRDEH@ERS>
Subject: Dan Bricklin's Demo & Grasp
Dear Netters,
We are in need of someone who knows how to use Dan Bricklin's Demo
package and/or Grasp. If you are interested and live in/or around
the Washington, DC area, please contact:
Paul Mendez
301-942-8469
| David Hopkins, Programmer/Analyst| BITNET: HNRDEH@ERS |
| US Department of Agriculture | Tel: 202-219-0491 |
| Economics Research Service | Fax: 202-219-1292 |
| Data Services Center, rm. 308 | (ATTN: Rm 308) |
| 1301 New York Ave., NW | also, INTERNET: HNRDEH@ERS.BITNET|
| Washington, DC 20005-4788 | |
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Date: Mon, 16 Mar 92 18:23:05 -0500
From: olds@helix.nih.gov (James Olds)
Subject: os2 help
Hi....I have been running os2 2.0 successfully for about 1 month on
a compaq 386/25 with 9MB ram and a 110 MB hard drive. So I installed it
once (the betas) without a prob. Well today things started going wrong
and I decided to try to re-install after backing up and formatting.
The problem was it's not re-installing anything like the first time.
The installation program is not "reading" my VGA card and display
correctly now during the install and so I'm getting an awful CGA-like
monochrome image during the installation and then....on being finished,
it doesn't even give me that. Workspace never comes up...the system just
goes into total blackness never never land. The hardware checks out fine.
Do you have any suggestions?
I have a mouse systems mouse on COM1
and an NEC postscipt printer on LPT2
There is an ATT 2400 baud modem on COM2
Thanks in advance for any advice that you may have
Jim Olds
Senior Staff Fellow
NINDS, NIH
olds@helix.nih.gov
(301)-496-3629
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Feed from the Usenet (UUCP/Internet) comp.os.os2.* newsgroups :
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From: chris@atl.scscom.com (Chris Boaro)
Subject: Gordon and MicroShafting..
Date: 9 Mar 92 19:37:04 GMT
Organization: SCS/Compute, Inc.
In <1992Mar08.212809.9114@microsoft.com>
gordonl@microsoft.com (Gordon LETWIN) writes:
>As for "Microshaft", the level of hostility on this group continues to
>amaze me. A group of young software wizards form a company. They're
>bright, they use their heads, they work very hard and they're successful.
>And they're hated for it. What did we do wrong? Is it sour grapes from
>people who *don't* work hard and try to be successful?
Forgive me for jumping into the unproductive fray of hate mail here, but
I just had to say one little thing...
Microsofies aren't hated for being successful. In fact, everyone loved it
when things were clean and simple - you run MSDOS, you write software for
that platform and you know you'll have a future market, etc. People may
not have been impressed with the outdated technology of DOS, but at least
it was something you could bank on.
Then, to answer the cry for a more advanced operating system, you and
your gang gave us OS/2. And the people grumbled, because the DOS support
was less then it could have (should have) been, so the foundation of
DOS that we had all bet on was slipping away. Still, many of us saw
the wisdom behind the change, and put a lot (!) of work into writing
software for this new breed of OS that our pals at MS had provided for
us. Sure, we knew it would be a hard fight. No system, not even one from
the city of hackers, can become an instant success. But still we pressed
on.
Soon the MicroSofties started feeling a bit weak in the knees. It seems
they didn't have the stomache for the hard long fight after all. Instead
they pushed their former ugly duckling child, Windows, up in place of
OS/2. The very existance and emphasis on NT is solid proof that even the
most hard core Windows lover at MS realizes the technical problems of
Windows.
This is where the "sour grapes" come from, Gordon. The fact is is that
we HAVE worked hard to make YOUR product a success. We believed what
YOU told us... and yes, YOU personally wrote a book telling us to go
the OS/2 road. And for our time, effort, and most importantly, money,
we got shafted... hench, MicroShaft.
I have a few thousand dollars in OS/2 tools and software sitting on
my shelf. Even if OS/2 2.0 makes it (and I sincerely hope that it
will), all my Microsoft products are useless. I can't upgrade my
microsoft C to a 32 bit C 7 compiler. There isn't one! I can't upgrade
my OS/2 toolkit - there is no upgrade! So now I'm stuck. I either have
to buy new tools from a new vendor to go with 2.0, or buy new tools
from MS to go with their new operating system of the day. Windows is
not an option. I had it on my machine for 2 weeks and was in utter
disbelief tht anyone would actually buy that.
I may dump the whole DOS/Windows/NT/OS/2 scam completely and buy
unix. Heck, I may even dump the PC and buy a Next! All I know is that
right now I'm pretty much in the dark as to what I should be doing
with my resources, and I will probably stay that way for most of 1992.
Do I feel shafted? You bet I do!
>We've never forced a product off of the market, we've only offered users
>more choicess. We've never had a law passed that forced people to buy
>from us. How can the simple act of *offering* a software product make
>us so disliked? Envy and sour grapes is the only thing that comes to mind.
Oh please! Microsoft used the power of the monopoly it created to make
money for itself without regard for the health of the industry or the
developers that have worked hard to build the huge base of applications
that DOS sits on top of. A company with the power that Microsoft has
managed to procure for itself has two options: be the responsible and
and creative leader of the industry, or leverage that power to beef up the
bottom line. Obviously they've chosen the later. I'm not passing judgment
on that option. We certainly put our bottom line pretty high on the
priority list. But please don't act so surprised when you hear the people
who depend on Microsoft and it's product line complaining about the
position MS has put us in.
> gordon letwin
Okay, so it wasn't such a "little" thing.... :)
Chris
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From: insom@watnxt2.ucr.edu (Chris Ulrich)
Subject: Re: IBM confusion on >16MB support
Date: 11 Mar 92 02:25:59 GMT
JULIUS@BTVLABVM.VNET.IBM.COM ("Julius C. Chang") writes:
:
: One of the OS/2 people in Boca Raton claims that 2.0 will handle >16MB
: for most every 386/486 upon GA. And this is the kind of stuff that really
: galls me. I get one story from someone who ought to know (one of the OS/2
: developers) and another story from some high-level mucky-muck. So what is
: it IBM, will OS/2 2.0 address >16MB transparently or not?????? And why do
: I have to resort to the os2-misc group to get my info instead of one of the
: IBM internal forums?
Wouldnt it be much more appropriat if IBM spent its energies on making
OS/2 run well in 4 megs, rather than work (right now before GA) on making
it support more than 16 megs? I suspect that the number of machines which
would benifit from optimized for 4 megs (every machine to have OS/2) is
somewhat larger than the number of machines with 16+ mb of ram (I would
suspect less than 5%)
chris
insom@watnxt2.ucr.edu
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From: larrys@watson.ibm.com (Larry Salomon, Jr.)
Subject: Goodbye Everyone
Date: 10 Mar 92 13:49:06 GMT
Organization: IBM Research
Due to lack of available free time, my manager breathing down my neck
because he says I spend too much time following the internal fora and
external newsgroups, and various other reasons, I plan to stop following
the comp.os.os2.* hierarchy for a while.
It's time for me to do some real work, folks. :)
If anyone sees anything that I should know (since I rely on these groups
for news that I won't hear internally), please send me a note. I'll be
glad to hear from you.
Regarding the OS/2 User's Group that I indicated interest in starting
some time ago, the idea isn't dead yet. My manager (and his manager)
have both endorsed the idea and now it's up to me to write a letter of
intent to secure the resources. If all goes well, it will meet here
where we have a large auditorium complete with extremely high quality
display devices (for demos, etc.). Should everything get approved, I
will insure that a notice gets placed out here so that you - the "little
guys" who have kept the faith for so long in the face of the adversaries
(not necessarily tangible) - can attend if you so desire.
It has been nice, and I hope to return someday soon. Goodbye.
P.S. Mike (Mellinger), your posts are getting better (more intelligent,
instead of stupid "NeXT is best" bashing); keep it up and keep the peace.
Gordon and other Microsoft employees, if anything, I will say that you
have kept the newsgroup lively, even if you've had to take a lot of flak
in the process; thanks for being such good sports, even when we haven't.
Timothy (Sipples) and Bert, you two are my inspiration; don't go
anywhere, so when I return, you will be right where I left you (I'll keep
in touch offline, I'm sure).
Cheers,
Larry Salomon, Jr. (aka 'Q') LARRYS@YKTVMV.BITNET
OS/2 Applications and Tools larrys@watson.ibm.com
IBM T.J. Watson Research Center larrys@ibmman.watson.ibm.com
Yorktown Heights, NY larrys@ibmman2.watson.ibm.com
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From: harris@garfield.catt.ncsu.edu (Michael Harris)
Subject: Re: Goodbye Everyone
Organization: North Carolina State University
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 02:30:21 GMT
gthome@ausvm1.VNET.IBM.COM writes:
>There are more of us (IBM Folk) than you may think.
I was going to say the same thing. There are a LOT of IBMer's who see the
internet info in one way or another. Please do not think that just because
Larry isn't going to be around, people at IBM aren't listening. I, for
example, take comments off of internet and broadcast them to my department
when they apply to our projects. Many times I have wanted to thank the internet
community for providing us with the "outsider perspective" that we needed.
It's just that unannounced projects are considered confidential so I can't
make inferences of any kind... not even so much as an acknowledgement.
>OS/2 2.0 has been a revolutionary effort within IBM (I feel). People have
>changed, processes have changed. People are fighting to make a great
>product.
I agree 100%. I almost sense a team spirit sometimes within IBM for 2.0.
Things seem to be very different compared to the past.
>Of course I must add that I am not an official rep for IBM just a concerned
>employee and yes, the above opinions are my own.
The same goes for me. I am concerned enough to provide whatever help I can to
those on internet at no cost to IBM. My postings are made on my own personal
time.
Michael Harris - harris@catt.ncsu.edu or harris@carvm3.vnet.ibm.com
Vice-President, Computer and Technologies Theme Program, NC State University
(My opinions are my own and do not represent those of NCSU or IBM Corporation)
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From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: TEAM OS/2
Organization: Cray Research, inc
Date: 10 Mar 92 10:35:37 CST
A few days ago I reposted a note from Stan Dvoskin to all non-IBM TEAM
OS/2 members off of Compuserve (IBMOS2 forum - #75096 - 05-Mar-92). In
this note, he asked for contributions towards a thank you advertisement
in OS/2(tm) Monthly magazine for the IBMers working 80 hour days.
I talked with Paul Pagnitelli on Sunday night and found out the
contributions are coming in $5.00 here and $100.00 there. Stan and
Paul are discussing additional advertisements should the funds grow
large enough. The discussion is leaning towards a page in MSJ and then
a national newspaper (say the WSJ).
I would like to add my personal suggestion:
Each of us has one or more native OS/2 application. It might be
GammaTech's HPFS utilities, Corel Draw for OS/2, WordPerfect for
OS/2, Designer/PM, FAX/PM, CASE:PM, DeScribe WordPublisher, etc.
Why don't each of us contact these OS/2 third party vendors asking
them to contribute to this thank you campaign?
This campaign will not only thank those outstanding IBMers but also
let people know OS/2 end-users and applications developers are alive
and well.
Again Stan's note:
To any and everyone interested in thanking TEAM OS/2 within IBM...
OK, folks, here's the story. We've hashed it out, and with the
brilliant suggestion from Mel Hallerman, we've decided that we're going
to thank TEAM OS/2 within IBM for their incredible efforts in the
following way...
We're going to take out a full page advertisement in the OS/2 Monthly
Magazine thanking them. Mel has graciously agreed to insure that
copies are circulated to all the appropriate people within IBM. We're
also going to have copies framed so that IBM can hang in Boca, Austin,
Raleigh, etc.
This idea was begun by Paul Pagnitelli's suggestion that we do
something for the programmers working 80 hour weeks to say thanks. It
grew into a thank you for everyone within IBM that's part of "TEAM
OS/2" from all of us outside IBM that are part of the greater "TEAM
OS/2" (and thanks to Dave Whittle for coining the term "TEAM OS/2" to
include all of us!)
So... please send contributions (any amount you feel appropriate) to
the address below (if you prefer annonymity, please say so and we'll
leave your name off the list). Paolo (Paul) has graciously consented
to act as the collection point, so make your checks out to...
The Corner Store
PO box 1070
10 Cobble Court
Litchfield, CT 06759-1070
To further simplify the process, Paolo has indicated that he will
absorb the cost of handling Visa or Mastercard donations as well
(Thanks Paolo!), so you can send charge card information via CompuServe
Mail USERID 76367,2721, Internet 76367.2721@compuserve.com, or call him
at (203)567-3463.
Please hurry, we want to put this in the March issue of OS/2 Monthly,
and we haven't much time. If there is enough collected, we'll also try
to put a similar ad in a major computer publication as well! Donations
of any size will be appreciated! Thanks!
Stan Dvoskin, and Paul Pignetelli.
The Unofficial TEAM OS/2 Committee of Appreciation
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From: dwl@watson.ibm.com (David W. Levine)
Subject: Re: Seamless Windows Support Dumped?
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 19:03:51 GMT
Organization: IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
Just to amplify what's going on with seamless. I talked a bit with
one of the developers. Here's where it seems to stand.
Seamless only works on VGA for 304E.
There will be Seamless drivers for SVGA, XGA and 8514/A.
Development is aware of the requirement to let other vendors know
what they need to do to build display drivers to allow seamless to
work on other display hardware.
David W. Levine -- IBM Thomas J. Watson Research Center
dwl@watson.ibm.com -- (914) 784-7427
My Opinions, IBM's hardware. --
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From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: A rarity of an article
Date: 16 Mar 92 03:01:34 GMT
Organization: Cray Research, inc
I just found a rarity! An unbiased article, outside OS/2(tm) Monthly,
covering OS/2 2.0. It is by Charles Lunan of the Fort Lauderdale
Sun-Sentinel and was in the Saint Paul Pioneer Press, Sunday March 15,
1992.
The article discusses the facts. I find the article refreshing
especially after the March 31, 1992 PC Magazine hack on OS/2 2.0. The
article has the following points of interests. This is not the entire
article.
Bert Moshier
IBM Has High Hopes For New User Interface
Charles Lunan
Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel
Saint Paul Pioneer Press - Sunday, March 15, 1992.
"Looking at Tommy Steel, its hard to see the weight of IBM's $9
billion-a-year personal computer business pressing down on his
shoulders.
"His expression is more ebullient than anxious after months of 100-hour
workweeks trying to perfect a software product called OS/2 2.0.
"There is a lot at stake, said Steele, director of IBM's 650-employee
programming lab in Boca Raton, Fla. A lot of pride, a lot market
share. We are either going to be a force, or we are not.
"IBM's OS/2 is a breakthrough, its creators say, because it will
display virtually every software program ever written for personal
computers -- nearly 29,000 -- in the same easy format. It also is
exceptionally user-friendly. It will allow users to create, edit,
print and transfer a document with having to exist and enter four
different programs.
"These features will allow OS/2 to leapfrog the industry's predominate
user interface, Windows 3.0, said Marc Bloomfield an IBM programmer who
led development of OS/2's user-friendly features.
"A sucessful OS/2 also would go a long way toward restoring IBM's
credentials as an innovator. The software's release is scheduled late
March, just three months after IBM unveiled a broad reorganization
aimed at shedding it bureaucratic ways and overcoming its first annual
loss since the 1940s.
"Among IBM's corporate customers, there are clear signs OS/2 2.0 will
become a standard for networks of personal computers. Fortune 500
companies like the software because it allows them to run multiple
programs and serve dozens of users simultaneously from a single
personal computer and is ideal for crafting custom software.
"Sears Roebuck & Co., Royal Bank of Canada and Boeing Aircraft have all
decided to run their personal computer networks with OS/2 2.0.
"What will make or break OS/2 is the mass market. For OS/2 to succeed,
it must also become established as the perferred operating system for
millions of individual machines.
"We've got to get to the end-users one at a time. Steele said.
"Many experts recognize the new OS/2 as a technical marvel, but doubt
it can ever catch up in popularity with Windows. Microsoft said it
sold 9 million copies of Windows in 1991, or about 15 times the sales
of OS/2, which first began shipping in 1987.
"At the desk-top level, the battle is over," said Nancy McSharry, a
software consultant with International Data Corp. in Mountainview,
Calif. Windows has got it, Microsoft has won.
"IBM has said it will sell OS/2 everywhere personal computers are sold
and price it low enough to entice Windows users. Info-World magazine
has reported IBM may offer the software to Windows users for as little
as $50, about one fourth its price of $195.
"Our goal is to become very agressive with pricing, said Keith
Lindenburg, IBM's lead spokeman on OS/2. We want to create impulse
buying for OS/2. We've said we will price to gain market share."
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From: bgm@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: Update on TEAM OS/2
Organization: Cray Research, Inc.
Date: 16 Mar 92 13:07:20 CST
In article <kw7h!q=rcain@netcom.com> rcain@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>Why is MSJ being given priority over WSJ or NYT or something that would
>reach *people*? It seems to just kick sand in MS's face which, while a
>worthwhile endeavor, doesn't seem to accomplish much pragmatically.
>--
>Bob Cain rcain@netcom.com 408-358-2007
>
>"There are some strings. They're just not attached."
> Victoria Roberts
The answer is simple: COST verses time.
The WSJ advertisement might take us months to be able to afford (if ever).
By having a some quick advertisements which cost less, we can hopefully
generate some word of mouth and show the IBMers how we feel.
Several people felt there would be the real chance we'd keep saving for the
WSJ and basically never come out with an advertisement. Personally, I
agree with you on the MSJ over the WSJ. Yet, getting the word out in a
timely manner is important.
BTW, the MSJ is important for two other reasons:
- It is where non-OS/2 developers reside. If they read that OS/2 end-users
are so happy as to buy their own ad space, it will tell them that OS/2
is something which end-users really like. (When did end-users buy ad
space to thank MS for Windows?)
- It is my understanding that Dave Whittle asked several of the groups in
Boca where they'd like to see their thank you. The response was MSJ.
I agree the WSJ would be nice from telling the world but the thank you
is to the programmers, managers, etc., not the world. (Perspective)
Of course, the IBMers would not object to the WSJ but they'd like the
thank you to occur in a timely manner.
I really hope Paul and the others can find some "daddy big bucks" to help
with the WSJ advertisement. Again, please, tell your OS/2 friends and
any OS/2 vendors you know about this opportunity. Maybe we can get the
WSJ in the near future, if things go well.
Bert.
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