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Netizens-Digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 510
Netizens Association Discussion List Digest
In this issue:
Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers
Re: [netz] Responsible information providers
Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers
[netz] Online Advocacy and Lobbying Panel Session Webcast
[netz] w3c standards
Re: [netz] w3c standards
[netz] CNN.com - Virus mutations add to SARS puzzle - Apr. 23, 2003
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:01:57 +0200
From: Dan Duris <dusoft@staznosti.sk>
Subject: Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers
LDQ> Hello: Yes I know, but then Mark, Larry or Dan didn't create netizens and neither
LDQ> did we. The Haubens created the entire thing and I always want to hear what they
LDQ> have to say about an issue affecting netizens whether I agree with it or not. Also
That's not always the most important thing. You could even establish
your own forum on this issue, if you wanted. Netizens are all around,
not only those 74 subscribers to this list. Certainly, it is
interesting to read what Haubens say, but for me it's important to
read also what you say and what others say.
I think there is nothing like "being expert on netizenship" - everybody
can examine the whole concept or do some analyze to some degree and
everybody can even post his own opinions online, even fascists at
stormfront.org. However, we can differ here on the matter if free
speech on the internet should be really free or censored in some cases
(nazis, racists etc.). It's quite late here so I am not sure if this
was understandable...
dan
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:33:07 -0400
From: Luis De Quesada <lgd1@columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [netz] Responsible information providers
Hello: To me it is important, because they created the list. I appreciate that you also
want to hear my opinions and you've been hearing them since day one. For example in matters
of recordings I'd always want to hear what RCA Victor has to say, because they were
pioneers on this field,even though they might have been beaten to the punch by other
companies. There are other people that would go to Sony or some other "Johnny Come Lately",
but I always like to consult the pioneers and if a particular one is not around, then I go
by "seniority" on the field. Its a matter of preference, it may not always be the best
thing to do but that's the way I am.
Luis
Dan Duris wrote:
> LDQ> Hello: Yes I know, but then Mark, Larry or Dan didn't create netizens and neither
> LDQ> did we. The Haubens created the entire thing and I always want to hear what they
> LDQ> have to say about an issue affecting netizens whether I agree with it or not. Also
> That's not always the most important thing. You could even establish
> your own forum on this issue, if you wanted. Netizens are all around,
> not only those 74 subscribers to this list. Certainly, it is
> interesting to read what Haubens say, but for me it's important to
> read also what you say and what others say.
>
> I think there is nothing like "being expert on netizenship" - everybody
> can examine the whole concept or do some analyze to some degree and
> everybody can even post his own opinions online, even fascists at
> stormfront.org. However, we can differ here on the matter if free
> speech on the internet should be really free or censored in some cases
> (nazis, racists etc.). It's quite late here so I am not sure if this
> was understandable...
>
> dan
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> email: dusoft@staznosti.sk
> ICQ: 17932727
>
> *- what about 21th century fox? :-) -*
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:17:16 -0400
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
Subject: Re[2]: [netz] Responsible information providers
Dan Duris wrote,
>I welcome your efforts to set guidelines. Actually, I really liked
>what I saw.
Where I think I'm going, Dan, is to try to get my arms around the
connectivity requirements for universal access, at least for
participation in the political/decisionmaking process. Knowing what
services might be accessed starts defining the user requirements. We
obviously need to know what Netizen users want to do, with respect to
the services (i.e., as distinct from content).
I believe there are two aspects to solving the digital divide
problem. In countries where there is cable television distribution to
the home, that forms an absolute requirement for broadband. Other
applications' bandwidth are trivial in comparison.
In countries that don't have this, we have to rely on the bandwidth
available from dialup on sometimes old lines, or through cellular
telephony. Both are bandwidth limited. xDSL isn't necessarily a
general solution because it will work only over high-grade telephone
lines.
>
>I think that's a good base for further ideas. BTW: Maybe also W3C
>standards should be introduced to guidelines about websites. I think
>today there are not so many pages that validates and that's a problem.
By validation, are you saying sites that require user registration?
>We have to make sites that validates since they don't require a user
>to have a special browser.
I know that I'm frustrated by sites that I can't access, even with a
quite powerful computer on a broadband link, because I don't have the
most recent plugin, or the plugin isn't supported on a Mac.
I would like to see a W3C "minimum function" standard, if it doesn't
now exist, that websites would support as an alternate,
resource-conserving mode. We'd probably need add a parameter to the
HTTP GET to indicate whether minimum functionality is desired.
Essentially, I'm thinking of a perhaps-informal "Netizen Compliant"
site marker that means that the site is intended for universal
access, and follows the permitted-contents guidelines I drafted.
>Accessibility part in your email is great,
>too. I completely agree on that.
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:18:59 -0500
From: "Steven Clift" <slc@publicus.net>
Subject: [netz] Online Advocacy and Lobbying Panel Session Webcast
For those of you interested in online activism - this webcast on
online advocacy and lobbying puts a more institutional twist on
effective ways to use this medium to organize and make your voice
heard in the political process.
Steven Clift
http://www.publicus.net
P.S. I am always interested hearing about online advocacy success
stories and lessons learned <clift@publicus.net> for my Democracies
Online Newswire <http://www.e-democracy.org/do> <- subscribe free
here.
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Online Advocacy and Lobbying Webcast
This event was hosted by E-Democracy <http://e-democracy.org> and the
Institute for New Media Studies <http://www.inms.umn.edu> at the
University of Minnesota.
Have you ever wondered:
- - What were the top e-mails received by Governor Jesse Ventura?
- - What people think when an interest group doesn't have a website?
- - What is an advanced collaborative online advocacy network?
- - What is online advocacy and lobbying anyway?
If so, then listen to the online advocacy webcast from:
http://www.e-democracy.org/neoamn
Or directly from:
http://www.inms.umn.edu/neoamn/onlineadvocacypanel.ram
The webcast includes audio with Power Point slides in Real format or
audio-only for download in MP3. Short and to the point panelist
presentations were followed by audience questions and an engaging
discussion and debate.
This is one of the best panel sessions ever held on this topic in
general, and likely the only one freely available on the Internet.
Minnesota is known for its depth of online political activity -
lessons learned here are valuable everywhere.
The dynamic panelists include:
Robbie LaFluer
- Director, Minnesota Legislative Reference Library
Marcia Avner
- Public Policy Director, Minnesota Council of Non-Profits
- Author, Lobbying and Advocacy Handbook for Nonprofit Orgs.
David Strom
- Legislative Director, Taxpayers League of Minnesota
Brian Elliott
- Political Coordinator, Clean Water Action Alliance
- Minnesota Environmental Action Network
Christine Nelson
- Former Director of Citizen Outreach, Governor Ventura's Office
Linda Jean Kensicki - Panel Moderator
- Asst. Professor, School of Journalism and Mass Communication,
University of Minnesota
Stay tuned next week for the announcement about the Net & Elections
panel or get a preview at the same site.
Sincerely,
Steven Clift
Visiting Fellow <http://www.publicus.net/fellow> - February 2003
Institute for New Media Studies, University of Minnesota
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:38:04 +0200
From: Dan Duris <dusoft@staznosti.sk>
Subject: [netz] w3c standards
>>I think that's a good base for further ideas. BTW: Maybe also W3C
>>standards should be introduced to guidelines about websites. I think
>>today there are not so many pages that validates and that's a problem.
HCB> By validation, are you saying sites that require user registration?
What I meant was this: W3C sets the standards or norms for HTML and
nowadays also XHTML (XML). So there is the standard for HTML v4.0,
v3.0 etc. Sites that keep up with standards should have introduced
some special HTML tags. I'll go little technical here:
page: index.htm
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
this tag means that page complies with HTML v4.01 Transitional
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1250">
this tag says it uses win-1250 charset...
etc.
There are many forbidden tags that does not comply with the standards.
E.g. there are tags only for use in Internet Explorer and they won't
work anywhere else. Netscape, Lynx or Mozilla will not display them
(they will ingore them) and site won't be displayed properly. But
Microsoft likes to make things their way - they want us to use their
proprietary software and even their tags, so other browsres will
ignore their tags and the site will look strange. So basically you
wouldn't want to use other browsers for this. But I use Mozilla
(www.mozilla.org) and it is really great browser, sometimes slower,
but still great (it displays sites as standard HTML was defined).
So our goal for the content part should be also keeping the standards
set by W3C. Everyone can do a check on his favourite site:
http://validator.w3.org
dan
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:37:52 -0400
From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [netz] w3c standards
At 10:38 PM +0200 4/22/03, Dan Duris wrote:
> >>I think that's a good base for further ideas. BTW: Maybe also W3C
>>>standards should be introduced to guidelines about websites. I think
>>>today there are not so many pages that validates and that's a problem.
>HCB> By validation, are you saying sites that require user registration?
>
>What I meant was this: W3C sets the standards or norms for HTML and
>nowadays also XHTML (XML). So there is the standard for HTML v4.0,
>v3.0 etc. Sites that keep up with standards should have introduced
>some special HTML tags. I'll go little technical here:
Oh, OK. Slight terminology difference--I would have called that
standards conformance.
You obviously know (X)HTML better than I do. Is there a capability by
which the client can state capabilities on login, so the server could
automatically switch to a low-bandwidth mode, or does that have to be
programmed explicitly?
I'm thinking of the Netizen with limited connectivity.
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: lgd1@columbia.edu
Subject: [netz] CNN.com - Virus mutations add to SARS puzzle - Apr. 23, 2003
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