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Netizens-Digest Monday, April 5 1999 Volume 01 : Number 293
Netizens Association Discussion List Digest
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[netz] Re: [IFWP] Science and Government and decisionmaking
[netz] Re: [IFWP] Science and government - the challenge
Re: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire
[netz] Re: then ICANN is in the fire
[netz] International Telecom/Cable News
[netz] Post delayed because of technical problems
[netz] Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: What the ??? ICANN Appoints Independent Review Advisory Committee
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:42:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg Skinner <gds@best.com>
Subject: [netz] Re: [IFWP] Science and Government and decisionmaking
Ronda Hauben <ronda@panix.com> wrote:
> In the talk [given at Harvard in 1960] C.P. Snow raises the dilemma
> posed by modern society in which science raises important problems
> and that government has to deal with these problems, but that too
> often decisions about these problems are made in secret and in a
> legal or political form where those making the decisions are not
> able to comprehend the consequences of the decisions they are making.
> The volume called "Science and Government"
> It describes how there is a need to have scientists more intimately
> involved in these decisions, but also the issue of how to
> open up the discussion so that it becomes a public discussion
> is raised in a talk that C.P. Snow gave the following year at
> MIT where he discussed the same problem.
Don't you think that quite a few scientists have been exposed to these
issues, through both your posts, others' posts, news[paper] articles, and
so forth? But very few scientists have decided to personally involve
themselves in these matters. Why do you suppose this is?
With regards to the public discussion issue, how would you go about
assessing the public's opinion of what has transpired over the last
five years? What would you do if you discovered that the public was
no more informed than either scientists or government officials, not
because of any deliberate attempts to hide information, but because
the information itself is complex and takes enormous amounts of time
to digest? (You yourself have complained about a lack of time and
resources to process all the mail you get, and there are a multitiude
of mailing lists, newsgroups, web sites, etc. where these and other
related issues are discussed.)
And in the meantime, as with the water issue, there are private companies
able and willing to set themselves up as providers of what might otherwise
be public resources. As they are perceived as solution providers, while
the scientists, politicians, lawyers, etc. continue to debate, why would
the public not side with the private companies? If politicians perceive
that the public has faith in the private companies, and that the private
companies can do the job, why would they not favor a privatization program?
- --gregbo
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:43:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg Skinner <gds@best.com>
Subject: [netz] Re: [IFWP] Science and government - the challenge
Ronda Hauben <ronda@panix.com> wrote:
> But this is precisely why there is government and there is science.
> There will be private sector companies that can make a mint off
> of the pollution of the public water supply and thus they will
> become strong advocates of doing nothing to solve the public
> problem.
But what if some of them used to be government employees and/or
contractors, and became fed up with the immense amount of bureaucracy
involved in getting support for water treatment, and decided to form
private companies that supplied water? Aren't they doing something to
solve the public problem? Is it the fact that they make a lot of
money doing what they do that means they aren't solving the public
problem? What if it would have cost the government that much money to
solve the problem?
Greg Skinner wrote:
>> You should not expect "government" or "science" to be able to solve
>> any problem that comes along, particularly when those problems are
>> highly complex and controversial.
> To the contrary. That is why there is a need to have governemnt
> put its foot down and declare the situation a public question
> and NOT allow private interests to prevent a public solution
> to the problem.
OK, but what if the public demands that the private interests be
allowed to solve the problem? What if the Los Angeles taxpayers say
"Why should we be forced to drink your foul water, when we can buy
clean water with the money you are charging us?" Isn't the job of
government to do the work of the people that elected it? Why should
government ban the private sale of water and force its citizens to
drink foul water until it can figure out how to provide clean water?
> And that is why I feel it is important to learn how government
> functioned as ARPA/IPTO as that was doing something good as
> government, rather than the current way that government in the U.S.
> is welcoming the private sector interests to take care of their
> desires at the expense of the public.
Don't you think the situation is much different now than back in the
1970s and early 1980s? The Arpanet and Internet were developed under
circumstances that were highly favorable. Most of the issues that
needed to be solved were technical or logistical. There were far
fewer political hurdles that needed to be overcome. Most of the
economic hurdles were overcome by the fact that the USG was able to
make huge sums of taxpayer money available for basic networking
research. (And dare I say, at the expense of other funding, such as
public water works, for example. I am sure that some people who live
in parts of LA where waterbugs crawl out of faucets believe they live
in areas that should be declared Federal disasters.)
- --gregbo
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 13:39:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg Skinner <gds@best.com>
Subject: Re: [netz] Re: [IFWP] then ICANN is in the fire
Bob Allisat <bob@fcn.net> wrote:
> Greg Skinner writes:
>> (edit)... You should not expect "government" or "science" to be able
>> to solve any problem that comes along, particularly when those problems
>> are highly complex and controversial.
> Dammit Greg that's just when so-called government and bloody science
> is supposed to work to find solutions!
What if they aren't able to, even if they are supposed to?
> Have we sunk to such depths of apathy to actually believe the
> rhetoric of those in whose interests it is to perpetuate great
> problems?!
What if the level of apathy for government is high enough that people
can be elected who favor deregulation and privatization of public
utilities?
> See when a regime or a group of so-called scientists start moaning
> or whining about how the world is so cruel
or just drift away, or even die ...
> and how everything is so bad even they can't do anything about
> anything it's not time to call it quits.
What if they are tired of fighting battles and being subject to abuse?
> It's time to kick those bastards out of office, find some new,
> vibrant thinkers to replace the oldbies and move as rapidly as
> possible towards f*cking solutions and away from stasis or rather
> decay or corruption and anything or anyone associated with same. See
> we have the choice.
What if the vibrant thinkers are in favor of deregulation and
privatization, and they can get enough votes to get into office?
- --gregbo
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:44:55 -0004
From: kerryo@ns.sympatico.ca (Kerry Miller)
Subject: [netz] Re: then ICANN is in the fire
Greg,
> > Have we sunk to such depths of apathy to actually believe the
> > rhetoric of those in whose interests it is to perpetuate great
> > problems?!
>
> What if the level of apathy for government is high enough that people
> can be elected who favor deregulation and privatization of public
> utilities?
This reminds me of an old ad: Why do people buy Rollon Paint?
Because they know no better!
kerry
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:37:37 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] International Telecom/Cable News
Source: IDG tele-html list newsletter
3/31/99
International Telecom Articles and mergers in the making.
Larger teleco/cable companies may mean higher rates
for the coming cable modem Internet connections.
"...NTT counters bid for Japanese carrier
(Source: Computerworld Hong Kong) Nippon Telegraph &
Telephone Corp. (NTT) has offered to buy a stake in
International Digital Communications, a move that could launch
a bidding war between NTT and Cable & Wireless PLC (C&W) over
the Japanese international carrier.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108840
Telia, Telenor ink definitive merger deal
(Source: IDG.net) Executives at state-owned telecommunications
companies Telia AB of Sweden and Telenor SA of Norway
announced today that they have finalized their previously
announced merger agreement.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108841
Deutsche Telekom CFO to step down next year
(Source: IDG.net) Joachim Kröske, the chief financial officer at
Deutsche Telekom AG, announced yesterday that he will to leave
the German telecommunications company on March 31 next
year.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108842
Portugal Telecom, Microsoft team on services
(Source: IDG.net) LONDON - Portugal Telecom SA and Microsoft
Corp. announced today that they will jointly develop interactive
video and data services, intended to accelerate the deployment
of broadband and wireless technology in Portugal.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108843
Mitsubishi cuts staff, focuses on communications
(Source: IDG.net) TOKYO - Troubled electronics-maker Mitsubishi
Electric Corp. said today it will slash its payroll, reform its
management and refocus its business on next-generation
satellites and digital handheld devices.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108844
EU OKs U.K. venture for Metro Telecom Networks
(Source: IDG.net) PARIS - The European Commission today
cleared a joint-venture agreement between Energis PLC and
DTFT Ltd. that plans to build metropolitan area networks in the
U.K. starting with a fibre-optic network in the financial and
economic heart of London known as the City.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108845
McDermott outsources global IT to AT&T
(Source: IDG.net) McDermott International Inc. has awarded
AT&T Corp. a 10-year contract, worth $600 million, for the
design, implementation and management of its global IT
capabilities.
http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=108846
..."
- --
P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
~~ Jargon ~~ Any sufficiently advanced terminology
is indistinguishable from magic words. ;^P ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 13:39:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Jay Hauben <jay@dorsai.org>
Subject: [netz] Post delayed because of technical problems
Ronda Hauben submitted this message on March 30 to the Netizens mailing
list but it was not then distributed because Majordomo thought it might
be an vnsubscribe message.
Subject: Science and government - the challenge
Ronda writes:
Greg Skinner <gds@best.com> writes:
>Possibly, but what happens if either "government" or "science"
>encounters problems that may not be technically vnsolvable, but are
>practically vnsolvable because of the high level of politics and
>controversy that surrounds them, so much so that it actually drains
>the energy of those who attempt to solve them?
>For example, you speak of publicly provided water:
>If you ever lived in a city like Los Angeles, where in many places the
>water is (or at least was, when I lived there a few years ago) unfit
>to drink unless it's boiled, you'd realize that practically speaking,
>neither "government" nor "science" can do anything about these
>problems because of the circumstances under which the problems exist.
>Arguably, there are individuals who might possess either the political
>experience to have funds allocated (or raised) to pay for the
>scientific and engineering expertise that would rectify these
>problems. However, because of the great deal of controversy that
>surrounds these problems, said individuals either tire of those jobs
>and wind up resigning, or refuse to take those jobs. This leaves the
>jobs to whoever is selected to do them from the remaining candidates.
>Yet, in the absence of significant progress on water treatment, a lot
>of money has been made by private companies who supply water to
>individuals.
But this is precisely why there is government and there is science.
There will be private sector companies that can make a mint off
of the pollution of the public water supply and thus they will
become strong advocates of doing nothing to solve the public
problem.
But the pollution of the water supply is a disaster to the
city and thus there is a need to have government and science
work together to solve the problem.
>While the analogy between LA city water and DNS may not be exact, I
>think there are some parallels. You should not expect "government" or
>"science" to be able to solve any problem that comes along,
>particularly when those problems are highly complex and
>controversial.
To the contrary. That is why there is a need to have governemnt
put its foot down and declare the situation a public question
and NOT allow private interests to prevent a public solution
to the problem.
This is an abuse of the public by the private interests and this
is why government exists to take on such situations. This is
a serious problem of public health.
>--gregbo
And that is why I feel it is important to learn how government
functioned as ARPA/IPTO as that was doing something good as
government, rather than the current way that government in the U.S.
is welcoming the private sector interests to take care of their
desires at the expense of the public.
C.P. Snow in his book Science and Government makes clear that this
is a particular challenge of our times that needs to be taken
on and understood and made progress dealing with.
That when a problem is scientifically difficult for government to
understand they can fall prey to such manipulation by private
interests and that government is responsible to have something
better happen. And more to the point, it is in the public
interest and within the obligations of those in the scientific
and technical community to take on this challenge.
Once one recognizes what the problem is, then one can take on to
figure out how to solve it.
Ronda
ronda@panix.com
Netizens: On the History and Impact
of Usenet and the Internet
http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/netbook/
in print edition ISBN 0-8186-7706-6
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 12:49:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ronda Hauben <ronda@panix.com>
Subject: [netz] Re: [IFWP] Fwd: Re: What the ??? ICANN Appoints Independent Review Advisory Committee
ICANN continues to carry out the creation of an organizational
form that has no respect for the principles that have guided the
development of the Internet
Most recently, is the creation of a Review committee that is supposedly
to oversee ICANN that has been created with no more understanding
of the importance and nature of the human-computer networking-human
communication that the Internet facilitates than ICANN itself or
any of the other entities it is developing.
The people chosen are not people with any understanding or concern
for the Internet as a means of global communication, but people
chosen with the narrow concern for electronic commerce issues.
Following are some helpful questions raised about the nature
of the committee choice process and decisions, and responses
that don't investigate the issues being raised but just
make excuses for the lack of concern by the U.S. government and
ICANN toward carrying on any meaningful discussion and
exploration as to what is needed by the Internet (the whole
Internet, not some narrow community) in terms of creating
a helpful process and form the continued growth and
development of the Internet essential functions that have
traditionally been overseen by IANA under the oversight of ARPA.
.
s
Bill Lovell <wsl@cerebalaw.com> wrote:
>At 12:17 AM 4/2/99 +1000, Adam Todd Snr <at@AH.NET> wrote:
>>I now look at the list of names, seems familiar for some reason.>
>>Oh yes - I've never in my life heard of ANY of these people. Not one name
>>seems to show up in any database of names and email addresses relating to
>>DNS prior to mid 1998.
>>
>>Can anyone offer an explanation as to how these people end up being so
>>qualified for a function yet appear to have no background?
>>
>>I also have to question how an ICANN director can be part of the Review
>>Committee.
>
>That part seems to have been part of the original plan, so far as I can see.
>As to these particular people (and, from what you say, their dearth of
>experience in Internet matters), that may be precisely the point. I can't
>believe I am saying this, but there is the old saw about having people who
>can see the forest, and let the working class take care of the trees. One
thing
>I can guarantee is that experience in a particular industry is NOT a
>prerequisite
>to being on the Board of a company within that industry; choices are often
>made entirely upon the expected smarts, VISION and pizazz of a person, not
>on whether or not the person had grubbed in the same hoe line. Those are two
>entirely different animals, and in a function such as Internet governance
>that is
>replete with factional bloodletting, having people that will be above the
>fray may
>be precisely what is needed. And on that standard, from these bios I would
say
>that these people are very highly qualified and may indeed introduce an
element
>of sanity into these august proceedings.
>Bill Lovell
To the contrary, the lack of knowledge of the Internet and its needs
and the computer communications science that has made it possible
to develop and grow the Internet are not virtues but grave weaknesses
of anyone who is to be charged with any ownership, control or oversight
of any aspect of the domain name system, root server system, IP numbers,
and protocols.
Having spent a number of years studying the birth and development
of the Internet, what becomes clear is that its success grows from
the fact that it was under the care of scientists, not of those
with *business* as their expertist.
To make a fundamental change now in that prime condition of the success
of the Internet, is a grave error and the sign that the forces
who are acting behind the scenes in the power play to grab
the Internet from the public, are not at all concerned with
the further scaling of the Internet, but only with the enrichment
of a few.
The U.S. government funding (via the Department of Defense and then
the NSF) of Internet research and development made it possible for
people who were in positions of responsibility concerning Internet
development to be scientific in their decisions.
This aspect of Internet development is being rudely and summarily
dismissed, rather than being the subject of serious discussion
and consideration in figuring out what a forward step is to
make possible the scaling of the Internet so it will be available
to all to participate in the communications breakthrough that
is now available to some.
Instead a few are grabbing at the heart of the Internet and
making decisions that will affect many, those who now have
access and those who don't, and these decisions and the criteria
for them are being made in secret and by those with narrow
objectives and narrow self interests (i.e. conflicts of interest.)
This is precisely the problem that was understood is the most
serious problem of our times by those who pioneered the development
of interactive computing and time-sharing, the developments
that set the foundation for the Internet.
So precisely what is being violated by the manner and choice
of the supposed Review Committee by ICANN, is precisely
what has given birth to the Internet -- i.e. a concern that
decisions not be made in secret by a few people who have
no understanding of the scientific issues and no concern
or understanding of the impact and consequences of those decisions
to the vast majority of the population who are being excluded
from the process.
This was precisely the issue that led to the prolongation of
WWII via the decision of Great Britain to do strategic bombing
of the German civilian populations, and was the concern that
C.P. Snow was invited to MIT in 1961 to discuss with regard
to the light it shed on the future of the computer and
of decisions made by Government about the future of the computer.
And this is precisely how ICANN has been formed, and how it
is carrying out its business with our Internet and how
it has formed its own so called "Review Committee". It is a review
committee to continue and carry further its own conflicts
of interest, not a review committee capable of any constructive
function for the Internet.
Ronda
ronda@panix.com
>>
>>>LOS ANGELES, March 31, 1999 -- The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
>>>and Numbers (ICANN) announced today that the following individuals have been
>>>appointed to ICANN's Independent Review Advisory Committee:
>>>
>>> - Linda Wilson, Chair (United States)
>>> - Mads Bryde Anderson (Denmark)
>>> - Ryozo Hayashi (Japan)
>>> - Ethan Katsh (United States)
>>> - Hans Kraaijenbrink (Netherlands)
>>> - Jorge Plano (Argentina)
>>> - Peter Dengate Thrush (New Zealand)
>>> - Jorge Vega (Peru)
>>>
>>>Brief biographical information about the Committee members is set forth
>>>below.
>>>
>>>Expressions of interest were received from over fifty individuals in
>>>response to ICANN's invitation, which was posted on the ICANN website and
>>>distributed to the relevant mailing lists on March 5.
>>>
>>>Those selected meet the goals of geographic diversity and relevant
>>>professional experience. The board appreciates the willingness of so many
>>>people to participate in this important endeavor, and encourages all to
>>>provide feedback and expertise for the committee when its recommendations
>>>are posted for public comment.
>>>
>>>This committee, called for in the ICANN Bylaws, will advise the ICANN Board
>>>on the creation of a structure for independent third party review of
>>>decisions of the ICANN Board of Directors. The committee's work will begin
>>>immediately.
>>>
>>>ICANN offers sincere thanks to all of the enthusiastic and qualified
>>>individuals who expressed interest in joining the committee.
>>>
>>>Contact:
>>>
>>>Andrew McLaughlin
>>>mclaughlin@icann.org
>>>+1-617-495-4935
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>----
>>>BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION ON IRAC MEMBERS:
>>>
>>>LINDA WILSON, CHAIR (Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA)
>>> Linda S. Wilson is currently the seventh president of Radcliffe College
>>>at Harvard University. She also serves as an ICANN Director. Previously, was
>>>vice president for research at the University of Michigan. She is a Trustee
>>>of the General Hospital Corporation of the Massachusetts General Hospital.
>>>She is also on the Board of Directors for Citizens Financial Group, Inc.
>>>Ms. Wilson has served on the National Commission on Research and was chair
>>>of its subcommittee on accountability. She was a member of the Director's
>>>Advisory Council of the National Science Foundation for nine years. As a
>>>member of the Council of the Institute of Medicine, she chaired its Finance
>>>Committee, and served on its Committee on Government- Industry Research
>>>Collaboration in Biomedical Research and Education. She is a member of the
>>>Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, and a fellow of
>>>the American Association for the Advancement of Science.
>>> Ms. Wilson received a Bachelor's degree from Sophie Newcomb College,
>>>Tulane University, and a Ph.D. in inorganic chemistry from the University of
>>>Wisconsin. She received an Honorary Doctorate in Humane Letters from Newcomb
>>>College, Tulane University, and an Honorary Doctorate of Letters from the
>>>University of Maryland.
>>>
>>>MADS BRYDE ANDERSEN (Copenhagen, Denmark)
>>> Dr. Mads Bryde Andersen is a professor of private law at the University
>>>of Copenhagen and author or editor of several books and articles on contract
>>>law, intellectual property law and IT law. For a number of years has been
>>>working actively with legislative issues regarding electronic commerce, in
>>>Denmark (where, among other things, he is chairing the Danish Government's
>>>IT Security Council) as well as in the EU, the ICC and the OECD. In the
>>>years 1997-1998 he was the chairman of the UNCITRAL Working Party on
>>>Electronic Commerce.
>>>
>>>RYOZO HAYASHI (Tokyo, Japan)
>>> Ryozo Hayashi is Director-General for Machinery and Information
>>>Industry Policy at the Machinery and Information Industry Bureau of Japan's
>>>Ministry of International Trade and Industry.
>>>Mr. Hayashi received an L.L.B. from Kyoto University in 1970, and an L.L.M.
>>>from Harvard Law School in 1976. In 1991, Mr. Hayashi served as a Fellow and
>>>Visiting Lecturer, Centre for Business and Government of Harvard
>>>University's John F. Kennedy School of Government. In 1994, Mr. Hayashi was
>>>Visiting Lecturer in the Law Department of Kyoto University.
>>>
>>>ETHAN KATSH (Amherst, Massachusetts, USA)
>>> Ethan Katsh is Director of the Center for Information Technology and
>>>Dispute Resolution and a Professor of Legal Studies at the University of
>>>Massachusetts at Amherst. He is author of two books on law and technology,
>>>The Electronic Media and The Transformation of Law (Oxford University Press,
>>>1989) and Law in a Digital World (Oxford University Press, 1995), as well as
>>>articles that have appeared in many law reviews and periodicals. He is a
>>>graduate of the Yale Law School and is co-founder of the Online Ombuds
>>>Office, a project funded by the Hewlett Foundation to explore dispute
>>>resolution in cyberspace.
>>>
>>>HANS KRAAIJENBRINK (The Hague, Netherlands)
>>> Hans Kraaijenbrink is a Member of the Executive Board of ETNO, the
>>>European Telecommunications Network Operators association, located in
>>>Brussels. He is also Manager, European Policy and Regulation with Royal KPN
>>>N.V., the Netherlands where he is responsible for European and international
>>>regulatory strategic affairs. He is a Member of the ICANN Board of
>>>Directors.
>>>Previously, he worked for the Dutch Ministry of Economic Affairs,
>>>responsible for information technology and the services sectors, and for the
>>>Ministry of Transport, Public Works and Water Management. He was also a
>>>member of the management team of the Telecommunications and Posts
>>>Directorate in the initial phase of the Dutch Telecommunications Regulator.
>>>Mr. Kraaijenbrink graduated from Delft University (1966).
>>>
>>>JORGE PLANO (Buenos Aires, Argentina)
>>> Jorge Plano is adviser of the Camara Argentina de Bases de Datos y
>>>Servicios en Linea (CABASE). He is professor at the Universidad Tecnologica
>>>Nacional, Buenos Aires and member of the board of the Fundacion Ictys. He is
>>>engaged in the study and diffusion of the social impact of the digital and
>>>network technologies and was an organizer of the IFWP-LA&C Buenos Aires
>>>where he acted as scribe in some sessions. He was National Director of
>>>Informatics Policies at the government of Argentina (1989-96). In the 80s he
>>>worked in consultancy on information systems and technological development
>>>in the computer industry. Previously he held managerial positions in data
>>>processing in international companies and the state administration. Mr.
>>>Plano is graduated in Information Systems.
>>>
>>>PETER DENGATE THRUSH (Wellington, New Zealand)
>>> Peter Dengate Thrush is a barrister, in practice in New Zealand,
>>>specialising in intellectual property, IT and competition causes. He has
>>>been counsel to Internet New Zealand, and its operating company Domainz,
>>>since their inception in 1995/6. He is a former member of the New Zealand
>>>volleyball team, and currently a director of Innovus Ltd, a consulting and
>>>software development team. He is an expert on intellectual property rights
>>>of indigenous peoples.
>>>
>>>JORGE VEGA (Lima, Peru)
>>> Jorge Vega is the General Manager partner at the law firm Estudio
>>>Osterling, Arias-Schreiber, Vega, Orbegoso & Asociados.
>>>Born in Lima, Peru in 1944, Mr. Vega was educated at the Catholic University
>>>of Peru and admitted to Peruvian bar in 1969, Peru. Mr. Vega concentrates in
>>>Civil, Banking, Corporate, Litigation, Constitutional Law, International
>>>Contracts, Real Estate and general legal practice.
>>> Professional experience: Member, Trainee Program Shearman & Sterling
>>>(New York), Banking Legal practice, Citicorp (Main Office) 1969-1970.
>>>Professor, Catholic University of Peru, 1971-, and University of Lima,
>>>1982-. Counsel, Commission Appointed to Reform the Civil Code. Member,
>>>Commission Appointed to Reform the Civil Procedures Code. Former Director,
>>>Lima Bar Association.
>>>
>>>
>>
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