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Netizens-Digest Volume 1 Number 280
Netizens-Digest Wednesday, March 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 280
Netizens Association Discussion List Digest
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[netz] Re: Communications-related Headlines for 3/1/99 [my last post]
[netz] Re: Pat's last post
Re: [netz] Re: Pat's last post
[netz] NM: US West the voting results
[netz] FCC ruling impact -- USWest
[netz] Join No Gate Keepers
[netz] FCC Spindoctor writes...
[netz] Re: US West the voting results
[netz] eRate, smeRate
[netz] Re: Upcoming Legislative Action on Telecommunications Bills
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 13:38:02 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] Re: Communications-related Headlines for 3/1/99 [my last post]
Please excuse the crosspostings to UPFORGRABs and NETIZENs
Please REread for COMPREHENSION not SPIN
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> REGULATION
> NO CONSUMER PER MINUTE CHARGES TO ACCESS ISP'S
> Issue: Internet Access/Regulation
> A new fact sheet from the FCC: "provides information in response to
> erroneous reports that the FCC is planning to impose per-minute usage
> charges on consumer access to Internet Service Providers (ISPs). It also
> discusses the FCC's February 25, 1999 decision
> [http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Orders/1999/fcc99038.txt]
> relating to dial-up traffic bound for ISPs. The bottom line is that the FCC
> has no intention of assessing per-minute charges on Internet traffic or
> changing the way consumers obtain and pay for access to the Internet."
> Also see these links: Comments from Chairman Kennard
[of course they don't have any intentions, the telcos will increase
ISP's rates.]
> <http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/faq_recp.html>
> and the News Release and Comments on the order
> <http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/News_Releases/1999/nrcc9014.html>
> [SOURCE: FCC] <- major hint!
> <http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Factsheets/nominute.html>
I see the spin doctors are out now. To be expected...
[FCC ones that is, not Kevin]
The Thursday ruling <unless we see through their charade> means:
o ISPs will ultimately be charged <by telcos> for long distance
connection for traffic that goes to the Internet.
o We consumers will be charged *much* more to cover ISP costs.
o Ultimately...
- ISPs will charge more to the few who can still
afford them [Digital Chasm]
- ISPs in the main will be forced out of business
- Telcos are positioning themselves to buy out cable cos.
- Telcos are positioning themselves in the wireless
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See the s'ck'd buy into rates [wireless] by AT & T to get us started.
We all know that prices will rise from this buy into rate.
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http://www.attws.com/personal/onerate/main.html
Source:
AT&T Wireless Services for personal use
AT&T Sun. Feb. 28, 1999
"...Do you make a lot of calls outside your home coverage area? With
AT&T Digital OneRateSM, roaming and long distance charges are a
thing of the past. Every call is like a local call. It's so simple and
affordable, [affordable? my patoot, brackets mine]
your wireless phone may become your only phone.
Choose from three convenient calling plans:
600 minutes
$89.99 a month
1000 minutes
$119.99 a month
1400 minutes
$149.99 a month
Additional airtime in excess of plan .25/min. AT&T Digital One Rate not
available for purchase in all areas and requires a Digital multi-network
phone from AT&T. Credit card calls excluded. Other conditions apply.
AT&T Digital One Rate now available with AT&T Canada Calling..."
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Source: Special Report from IDG.net
"...From 240+ Web sites, quality computing
intelligence you need every day.
The FCC's ruling today on calls to local ISPs has resulted in a
*record amount of traffic* to IDG.net. To help you understand the
issues behind this complicated story, the editors at IDG.net
created this special newsletter. [IDG issued this
special report at the behest of ISPs wanting to know
immediately.]
FCC rules ISP calls are long-distance in nature
(Source: Network World Fusion) In a long-anticipated vote, the
U.S. Federal Communications Commission decided that dial-up
Internet calls are interstate in nature and not local.
o http://www.idg.net/go.cgi?id=58646
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I repeat:
"It's the economy stupid."
Check out the run up on the stock market... why? the Internet!
Kill *reasonable access* to the Net and you kill the ecomomy...
"stupid." <- FCC/Telcos ~~ IMHO
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P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 08:22:13 -0004
From: kerryo@ns.sympatico.ca (Kerry Miller)
Subject: [netz] Re: Pat's last post
> Telcos are positioning themselves to buy out cable cos.
>
> Telcos are positioning themselves in the wireless
Telcos are thick into the structuring of ICANN as the Chamber of
Intenet Commerce. See
http://www.cookreport.com/insurgency.html
"IP Insurgency - Internet Infrastructure and the Transformation of
Telecom"
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 06:58:41 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: Re: [netz] Re: Pat's last post
> Telcos are thick into the structuring of ICANN as the Chamber of
> Intenet Commerce. See
> http://www.cookreport.com/insurgency.html
> "IP Insurgency - Internet Infrastructure and the Transformation of
> Telecom"
Yep.
- --
P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:18:28 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] NM: US West the voting results
NM vote is the specter of things to come...
The Senate did vote to pass SB 408 that deregulates U S West
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42 Senators total
20 for SB408
12 against
Appeals to NM Netters ask that...
The best method for stopping this legislation which deregulates
U S West is to contact Representatives and/or the Governor.
Express your concerns over the legislation and deregulation.
P.A.
pgantt@icx.net
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:03:11 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] FCC ruling impact -- USWest
My post to the WebWatch List (PWD -- People with Disabilities
membership in the main
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For those of you who don't listen or read aka parse...
READ OR LISTEN TO THIS:
THE REASONABLE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET DIED
LAST THURSDAY THANKS TO THE FCC.
NM = New Mexico... it's a post office term remember?
Point being... all contracts negotiated
from now all treat the Internet as a long distance
call via ISP connection to the telcos.
Contracts in existence not long distance are
subject to court challenge or appeal to the states.
Mark my words the Internet reasonable access for
all via ISP and POD died last Thursday.
Now as to USWest... see who owns them...
Pay per view (per connection) to the Net via
a cable metered box is in our future. You know
like WebTV... hello?
That is why the New Mexico vote impacts us all.
Deregulation of Telcos began Sunday on the heels
of the FCC ruling.
Don't know about y'all but we never watch (listen to)
pay-per-view. It costs too much.
Cellular phone/digital/wireless as
an alternative? Cellular? Who can afford that?
If you can your income is far greater than mine.
I teach.
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P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:25:17 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] Join No Gate Keepers
Join, read, listen and... understand
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Subject: The Future of Open Internet Access
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:31:10 -0500
From: Kevin Taglang <kevint@BENTON.ORG>
Reply-To: The Up for Grabs Discussion List <UPFORGRABS-L@CDINET.COM>
To: UPFORGRABS-L@CDINET.COM
The Future of Open Internet Access
The Telecommunications Policy Roundtable on The Future of Open Internet
Access was held in a packed conference room at the Carnegie Conference
Center March 2. Five panelists represented the
major players in the debate: Jim Cicconi of AT&T, Rick Cimerman of
National
Cable Telecommunications Association, Marc Jacobson of Prodigy, Andrew
J.
Schwartzman of the Media Access Project and George Vradenburg of America
Online. Each panelist made a ten-minute statement, followed by a
question
and answer period.
One audience member characterized the debate as being like a card game
where
the goal is to figure out under which card does the issue lie? Is it
content,
technology, or an infrastructure/economic issue?
* AT&T's Cicconi said allowing TCI to provide broadband access via
@Home, a
TCI subsidiary, would end the monopoly that local phone companies
currently
have. Regulators should hold off
and wait and see the ramifications for consumers before getting
involved.
* NCTA's Cimerman agrees. He predicts this will not be AOL vs. AT&T, but
that
many small companies will be involved.
* Andrew Schwartzman of the Media Access Project turned the issue to
content, criticizing Cicconi for using the term "consumer" in his
remarks
instead of "citizen." He said by AT&T/TCI being able
to provide content as well as access, we should fear fewer content
choices.
He used a cable TV analogy to predict the future of Internet content:
getting the Disney channel means you need to get the Golf and Travel
channel
and pay for each, whether you want them or not.
AT&T's Cicconi said a user will continue to be able to dial up through
any
ISP. Prodigy's Jacobson says yes, but his company doesn't work like that
- --
they provide service, a service that
no one would sign up for if they had to pay twice: once to get connected
and
once to another ISP that has the content or the service they want.
Jeff Chester of the Media Access Project, moderator of the discussion,
had to
fend off panelists, especially Cicconi, from taking up the audience's
time for
questions and comments. A few managed to be heard. For everyone else,
MAP
has set up an electronic discussion list on broadband issues. A form to
subscribe can be found at <www.nogatekeepers.org/action/>.
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P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 08:44:39 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] FCC Spindoctor writes...
"...The Commission tentatively concluded that inter-carrier compensation
for this interstate traffic should be governed prospectively by
interconnection agreements negotiated and arbitrated under sections 251
and 252 of the Act. Resolution of failures to reach agreement on
inter-carrier compensation for interstate ISP-bound traffic then would
occur through arbitrations conducted by state commissions, which are
appealable to federal district courts. The Commission also asked for
comment on an alternative proposal, under which inter-carrier
compensation would be governed by a set of federal rules, and disputes
would be resolved by federal, state, or third-party arbitrators..."
~~ FCC Spindoctor
[Comment:
This is the kicker phrase *despite* the rest of the article claiming
that ISP long distance charges won't happen.
Telcos can appeal through state commissions. courts, etc.
Now you know Telcos will (witness NM: USWest Deregulation).
The payolla predictable. No problem for the telcos here. Money talks.]
Source:
FCC NEWS
Federal Communications Commission
445 12th Street, S.W.
Washington, D.C. 20554
News media information 202 / 418-0500
Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830
Internet: http://www.fcc.gov
ftp.fcc.govNews media contact: Emily Hoffnar (202) 418-0253
Common Carrier Bureau contact: Tamara Preiss (202) 418-1520
TY: (202) 418-2555.
This is an unofficial announcement of Commission action. Release of the
full text of a Commission order constitutes official action. See MCI v.
FCC. 515 F 2d 385 (D.C. Circ 1974).
Report No. CC 99-2
COMMON CARRIER ACTION
February 25, 1999
FCC ADOPTS ORDER ADDRESSING DIAL-UP INTERNET TRAFFIC FCC Lets States
Decide Whether Existing
Interconnections Decisions Affected by Ruling; FCC Seeks Comment on
Proposals to Govern Future
Compensation Agreements (Docket Nos. 96-98, 99-68)
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P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:39:31 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] Re: US West the voting results
> ...talks about wireless connections, yet the real costs of doing
> wireless in most rural areas for wide-spread use is also very costly. It
> may be fine to hook up a school or healthcare clinic, but what about the
> small business, home-schooler, or other individual use--
I explained the tangled web of the FCC deceit and the effect of our
connection rates to the Net via responsible ISP connection
along with alternatives the Telcos will control.
Their comments:
o How can we connect at home to your site and do our work?
o We can not afford pay-per-view, wireless, etc.
~~ CC students
Note: Some can barely afford ~$19.95 unlimited now.
Afterall, they are working students who must
work so that can afford to take classes.
The move of the FCC and the telcos greed effectively kills
the above access to the above groups and my students' access.
Distance Ed? Dead! Killed Thursday unless consumers and
ISPs get the FCC to overturn the ruling.
Get off dead center! Write, phone, email, scream loudly!
We will not take big business corruption that denies access
to those who cannot afford the price pass on that is to come.
Divide? Try CHASM as large as The Grand Canyon and will get
wider and deeper as time goes on! Prices start at a s'cker
lower rate and go up. We consumers are not stupid. We know
this. My students got it right off.
~~ Digital HAVENOTS R US
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P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:09:49 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] eRate, smeRate
The FCC flushed educational use of computers and the Net
last Thursday. BTW the Telcos are tied in w/ eRate.
No dummies are the Telcos. Muddy the water and "act"
like they care. HARUMPH!
eRate was a sham from the beginning.
A smoke screen to the real truth. A way to get
education on Telcos side with little nibbles of
money here and there.
eRate etc. no longer applies.
So what if the schools are wired your school
and students cannot afford to connect???????
So much for technology education unless we understand
the IMPACT of the ruling and fight.
- --
P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 11:23:42 -0500
From: "P.A. Gantt" <pgantt@icx.net>
Subject: [netz] Re: Upcoming Legislative Action on Telecommunications Bills
email, phone, and writing does make an impact!
Fight for us there in New Mexico, the world
is watching!
USWest/Telcos merely the first
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My Post to UPFORGRABS, EDNET, WWWEDU, NETIZENs
The FCC flushed educational use of computers and the Net
last Thursday. BTW the Telcos are tied in w/ eRate.
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Telcos are thick into the structuring of ICANN as the Chamber of
Internet Commerce.
See:
http://www.cookreport.com/insurgency.html
"IP Insurgency - Internet Infrastructure and the Transformation of
Telecom"
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No dummies are the Telcos. Muddy the water and "act"
like they care. HARUMPH!
eRate was a sham from the beginning.
A smoke screen to the real truth. A way to get
education on Telcos side with little nibbles of
money here and there.
eRate etc. no longer applies.
So what if the schools are wired your school
and students cannot afford to connect???????
So much for technology education unless we understand
the IMPACT of the ruling and fight.
============================================================
Marianne Granoff wrote:
>
> FYI.
>
> It does help to have people there to stand up and say they are opposed to
> this legislation.
>
> Marianne
>
> House Judiciary Committee - R. David Pederson, Chairman
> Wednesday, March 3 - 1:30 P.M. - Room 315
>
> 1st on agenda:
> HB 470 Telecommunications& Economic Development Act (Lujan)
> 2d on agenda:
> HB 588 State Universal Service Fund Act (Lujan)
> 3d on agenda:
> HB 36 Telecommunications Fraud (Coll)
> Marianne Granoff
> Director of Operations
> New Mexico Technet, Inc.
> 5921 Jefferson NE
> Albuquerque, N.M. 87109
> Ph: (505) 345-6555
> FAX: (505) 345-6559
> email: granoff@nm.net or granoff@technet.nm.org
> http://www.technet.nm.org
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P.A. Gantt, Computer Science Technology Instructor
Electronic Media Design and Support Homepage
http://user.icx.net/~pgantt/
mailto:pagantt@technologist.com?Subject=etech
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/vision/1998-11.asp
Common sense is not common, and conventional wisdom is not
wisdom. But at least you can have conventional sense. ~~ Daily Whale
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