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doom-editing-digest Wednesday, 28 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 594
Re: Language
Administrivia: Off-topic mailings
ANNOUNCE: Quake Developers list
Re: Fun with hex (part 1)
Quake full...
Re: Quake is out4
Re: 10000000000 imps, clips, revenants, spiders, etc, etc.
WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
Re: Quake is out, and err ummm....
Re: 10000000000 imps, clips, revenants, spiders, etc, etc.
Harassment
Quake Monsters made easy
Re: Harassment
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From: Aragorn! <d.wykes@dcs.napier.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:16:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Language
On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Gregg J. Anderson wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Aragorn! wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Zelig wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Does someone know what language doom is written?
> > >
> > > zelig.
> > > Zelig
> >
>
> Objective C on a NeXt box. I wouldn't rule out a hefty dose of asm, either.
>
Allegedly, there were only a few lines of ASM, for drawing the vertical &
horizontal lines, because they were speed critical.
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From: S.Benner@lancaster.ac.uk (Steve Benner)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:19:24 GMT
Subject: Administrivia: Off-topic mailings
Hi All,
Just a timely reminder that this list is DOOM-editing. Off-topic mailings
usually result in instant and unnotified you-know-what. I'll overlook the
recent spate, but be warned that the snips are out and sharpened. ;)
- -Steve Benner
list admin
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From: Bernd Kreimeier <Bernd.Kreimeier@NeRo.Uni-Bonn.DE>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:44:56 +0100 (MET)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: Quake Developers list
OFF TOPIC: announcement of a Quake mailing list below.
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From: Chainsaw <jimu@allmalt.cs.uwm.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 08:30:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Fun with hex (part 1)
Well regardless of whether this is on or off topic, I thought I'd
try and save people a little trouble with instructions John Wakelin
provided.
Each time he refers to "null" or "nulls", he really means spaces (0x20).
In hex, "null" refers to 0x00.
> Find the third one in the .pak. Change it to:
> "monster_wizard"(fill the rest with nulls)
> Look about 10 bytes beyond that and you will see:
> "origin" "-64 -720 -40"
> ^-----null
> Change the -40 to 10 (fill the resulting blanks with nulls)
Aside from that, good work John, and thanks!
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From: "Aubert Antal" <AUBERT@ttk.jpte.hu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:56:01 MET-1
Subject: Quake full...
Hi all!
Can anyone tell me,when will be the full version of Quake released?
I can't wait much longer...
Aboy from Hungary
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From: Rudy XIII <rudolphw@zeus.gonzaga.pvt.k12.dc.us>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 03:27:30 +1130
Subject: Re: Quake is out4
At 10:23 AM 2/26/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Heya,
>
>Where did you guys get quake.. reply personnally since I probably sound
>like an lamer now but please respond ASAP
>
>Dave
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "My heart is human, My blood is boiling, My brain IBM!" -STYX
> "Everyone I know goes away in the end!" -NIN
> DOOM: Where no one gives a $hit if you scream!
> http://www.nmia.com/~trilia/
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You might try Compuserve, that's where I got mine. Another place to check
out is cdrom.com. but I'm not sure.
- -Rudy XIII
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From: Michael Gummelt <gummelt@pegasus.montclair.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 11:17:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: 10000000000 imps, clips, revenants, spiders, etc, etc.
Drake,
Littering our mailboxes with random and unintelligable musings about
unimportant gibberish is worse than anything I've written. My message
was not a personal attack, i've never met you. I simply wish that
you and anyone else involved in this thread would limit your postings
to findings that mean something.
On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Drake O'Brien wrote:
> At 01:59 AM 2/27/96 -0500, Michael Gummelt wrote:
> >Does anyone actually read this thread anymore, or do you just delete
> >it like I do?
> >
> This is harrassment. It reveals a lot about you.
>
>
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From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:19:46 -0500
Subject: WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
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From: matt.tagliaferri@pcohio.com (Matt Tagliaferri)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 12:58:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Quake is out, and err ummm....
- -> Who can play Doom anymore? Even with only 3 maps and no monsters,
- -> walking around in Quake is more fun than playing Doom now. It's like
- -> Dodge: "We've changed the rules... "
So what list do we get on to start talking PAK format...?
matt tag
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From: BonesBro@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 15:24:12 -0500
Subject: Re: 10000000000 imps, clips, revenants, spiders, etc, etc.
In a message dated 96-02-27 13:33:45 EST, you write:
>Drake,
>Littering our mailboxes with random and unintelligable musings about
>unimportant gibberish is worse than anything I've written. My message
>was not a personal attack, i've never met you. I simply wish that
>you and anyone else involved in this thread would limit your postings
>to findings that mean something.
>
>
>On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Drake O'Brien wrote:
>
>> At 01:59 AM 2/27/96 -0500, Michael Gummelt wrote:
>> >Does anyone actually read this thread anymore, or do you just delete
>> >it like I do?
>> >
>> This is harrassment. It reveals a lot about you.
>>
>>
Could you guys *PLEASE* take this thread to private e-mail, so at least you
guys could cut each other to pieces without everyone else having to listen to
it?
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From: "Drake O'Brien" <a13231@mindlink.bc.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 12:13 PST
Subject: Harassment
Michael Gummelt is posting notes of pure harassment:
>Drake,
>Littering our mailboxes with random and unintelligable musings about
>unimportant gibberish is worse than anything I've written. My message
>was not a personal attack, i've never met you. I simply wish that
>you and anyone else involved in this thread would limit your postings
>to findings that mean something.
>
>
>On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Drake O'Brien wrote:
>
>> At 01:59 AM 2/27/96 -0500, Michael Gummelt wrote:
>>>Does anyone actually read this thread anymore, or do you just delete
>>>it like I do?
>>>
>> This is harrassment. It reveals a lot about you.
>>
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From: Jim Lowell <jlowell@winternet.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:29:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Quake Monsters made easy
Ok, I'm going to (tentatively) claim the title of the 1st person to write a program that edit's Quake! :)
It's not really much, but I took the information that John posted earlier and wrote a Windows app that will make the modification for you. It's on the web at:
http://www.winternet.com/~jlowell/qhack.zip
It's about 101k zipped. Just unzip it and run it. It will let you look for ID1.PAK on your hard-disk. Then select one of the 3 monsters, and the program will modify the PAK file to replace the rocket-launcher on map TEST3 with the monster you specified. I tested it by replacing the rocket-launcher with the ghost and the Knight. I haven't tried the demon yet, but I assume it will work.
BTW, the knight looks sweet!
If there are any other monsters or things available, I can add them to the program.
- -= Jim Lowell =-
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From: "Some Call Me...Tim?" <john.jerow@yale.edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:40:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Harassment
Guys, no matter what either of you thinks, just keep the name-calling on
private e-mail. This is neither interesting nor necessary to read on a
DOOM-EDITING list.
- --John
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