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doom-editing-digest Friday, 19 January 1996 Volume 01 : Number 555
Insane Weapons Patch not available
WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
Re: WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
Re: Firing Frames.
Re: Insane Weapons Patch not available
Re: Insane Weapons Patch not available
Re: WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
RE: Insane Weapons Patch not available
False Accusations
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From: Michael Gummelt <gummelt@pegasus.montclair.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 01:37:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Insane Weapons Patch not available
Due to an asshole by the e-mail address of:
bennes@rpi.edu
The Insane Weapons Patch is no longer available at my private
ftp site. If you'll recall, I posted the location, login and
password to this mailing list so you could all DL the file
when you wished. Of course, I knew someone could telnet in and
change the password, but I trusted that the readers of this group
had a sort of community and wouldn't do something and childish
and meaninglessly malicious as this. Well, this jerkoff even had
the balls to write me and warn me what he was going to do! If he
was trying to prove a point about security (saying I should have
posted the password since people are assholes), all he proved is
that HE is an asshole.
I encourage anyone who wants to to flame him if you wish (not via
this mailing list of course), and I request that he be kicked off
this mailing list (he's never posted a single thing). I will
fix the password and make it available again, this time I will make
all the file read-only.
In the meantime, you may find the Insane Weapons Patch at
ftp.cdrom.com
Probably in the newstuff dir.
The filename is "insane.zip"
Mike Gummelt
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From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 15:28:28 -0500
Subject: WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
/* The staff of the DOOM-Editing Help service (me) officially
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*
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*
* (BTW - Steve Brenner deserves the same credit but, we'll wait
* until _his_ goodbye party to tell him :)
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-= .sig copyright violator =-
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- --
blue (Steve Heaslip)
"He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth
makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers."
- -Charles Peguy
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From: S.Benner@LANCASTER.AC.UK (Steve Benner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 12:48:36 GMT
Subject: Re: WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
Jahn Wokelin, he say:
> * (BTW - Steve Brenner deserves the same credit but, we'll wait
> * until _his_ goodbye party to tell him :)
[snip]
Hey: I may be quiet but I ain't gone yet!
>
>**How to get kicked off DOOM-Editing**
>
[snip]
Mis-spelling my name is another way... ;)
- -Steve
(and yes, folks, a big hand for Bernd, and welcome to t'other Steve. He's
keeping it running right now.)
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From: Damien.Wellman@Narrows.Kendra.Com (Damien Wellman)
Date: 16 Jan 96 22:00:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Firing Frames.
:: From: Michael Gummelt To: Damien Wellman Subj: Re: Firing Frames. ::
MG> My best suggestion is to experiment. I have had to play around a LOT,
MG> using tremendous amounts of trial and error and crashing the game AND
MG> my computer repeatedly to get the effects I mentioned above. Just
MG> figure out what the code pointers do, figure out its side effects and
MG> limitations, then experiment. Try ANYTHING. You can always ask for
MG> help, but the best way to learn this stuff is to try it out for
MG> yourself and get creative!
Speaking of, does a list of code pointers exist? I recall mention of one on
a Web page, but not all of us have Web access. In fact, if it isn't that big,
why not post it here on the list? (If it IS that big, ah well...)
- ---
# TLX v4.00 # Sometimes even fools make good suggestions.
- --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.21 [NR]
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|Internet: Damien.Wellman@narrows.kendra.com
|
| Kendra Communications - FTS <=> Internet Gateway
| When Fido's all ya got, make the best of it.....
| Via-COPLINK 1:343/304 (206)397-6021 Everett WA
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From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 11:30:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Insane Weapons Patch not available
Michael,
First of all: I downloaded the patch. Nice work. I enjoyed it a
lot.
Second of all:
From: Michael Gummelt <gummelt@pegasus.montclair.edu>
> The Insane Weapons Patch is no longer available at my private
> ftp site. If you'll recall, I posted the location, login and
> password to this mailing list so you could all DL the file
> when you wished. Of course, I knew someone could telnet in and
> change the password, but I trusted that the readers of this group
> had a sort of community and wouldn't do something and childish
> and meaninglessly malicious as this.
[snip]
What possessed you to post your account name and password to a group
that is comprised, almost EXCLUSIVELY, of hackers? I agree that
whoever did it was in the wrong but, guy, come on, it was almost a
certainty that it would happen. Do you not realize how many people
are on this list? (310 as of today)
> I encourage anyone who wants to to flame him if you wish (not via
> this mailing list of course), and I request that he be kicked off
> this mailing list (he's never posted a single thing). I will
> fix the password and make it available again, this time I will make
> all the file read-only.
I suggest that this time you put it on an anonymous ftp server or
better yet just let people get it from cdrom.com.
Have a great day,
johnw
-= John Wakelin =-
-= .sig copyright violator =-
-= TeamTNT - Member =-
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From: Ted Vessenes <tjvessen@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 11:12:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Insane Weapons Patch not available
> Due to an asshole by the e-mail address of:
> bennes@rpi.edu
> The Insane Weapons Patch is no longer available at my private
> ftp site. If you'll recall, I posted the location, login and
> password to this mailing list so you could all DL the file
> when you wished. Of course, I knew someone could telnet in and
> change the password, but I trusted that the readers of this group
> had a sort of community and wouldn't do something and childish
> and meaninglessly malicious as this.
If you're running unix, um... I believe there is a file in /etc that lets
you make it so the person can't telnet in. Or if nothing else, change the
shell of the user to /etc/no.login or whatever. But they will still be
able to ftp in. Alternatively, you could have had people anonymously ftp in.
- -Ted
- --
Ted Vessenes | "The only force stronger than fate is dramatic irony."
| "[William] Shatner couldn't direct his way out of the
tjvessen@midway. | bathroom with both hands and a map!"
uchicago.edu | -Ryan Ingram (1st), -Kibo's .sig (2nd)
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From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 96 16:47:56 -0500
Subject: Re: WEEKLY REMINDER : Beginner's Questions
> From: S.Benner@LANCASTER.AC.UK (Steve Benner)
> Mis-spelling my name is another way... ;)
Ouch.
Sorry about that Steve. Folks ... I am an idiot.
Have a great day,
johnw
-= John Wakelin =-
-= .sig copyright violator =-
-= TeamTNT - Member =-
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From: Brian Campbell <doc@wctc.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 09:07:29 -0600
Subject: RE: Insane Weapons Patch not available
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I appreciated what you did and agree with you. The asshole should be =
barred from the list. I have never posted before either, but then =
again, I'm still learning and would NEVER be as childish as this person. =
=20
By the way, GREAT patch. Keep up the good work.
Brian Campbell
- ----------
From: Michael Gummelt[SMTP:gummelt@pegasus.montclair.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 1996 7:37 PM
To: doom-editing@nvg.unit.no
Subject: Insane Weapons Patch not available
Due to an asshole by the e-mail address of:
bennes@rpi.edu
The Insane Weapons Patch is no longer available at my private
ftp site. If you'll recall, I posted the location, login and
password to this mailing list so you could all DL the file
when you wished. Of course, I knew someone could telnet in and
change the password, but I trusted that the readers of this group
had a sort of community and wouldn't do something and childish
and meaninglessly malicious as this. Well, this jerkoff even had
the balls to write me and warn me what he was going to do! If he
was trying to prove a point about security (saying I should have
posted the password since people are assholes), all he proved is
that HE is an asshole.
I encourage anyone who wants to to flame him if you wish (not via
this mailing list of course), and I request that he be kicked off
this mailing list (he's never posted a single thing). I will
fix the password and make it available again, this time I will make
all the file read-only.
In the meantime, you may find the Insane Weapons Patch at
ftp.cdrom.com
Probably in the newstuff dir.
The filename is "insane.zip"
Mike Gummelt
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From: "Stauf" <bennes@rpi.edu>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 12:26:50 -0500
Subject: False Accusations
Hmm, time to rise from the Abyss and defend my honor...
Look folks, I wake up this morning, log on before going to my ethics class,
and find hate mail, quite a few. Then I read why.
I hope the members of this list remember the other day's Stupidity Award, the
release of a user and password to the, what, 200 people on this mailing list,
with the "intent" that you all go and get this file from the account. Well,
the first thing I did was reply to Michael, telling him why he did such a bad
thing. Thanks to the miracle of Z-Mail, I have my letter here:
<BEGIN>
To: gummelt@pegasus.montclair.edu
Subject: Password release
You do understand that by releasing your password to the mailing list, you've
just compromised your security to that account? Say if I was malicious, I'd
telnet to pegasus.montclair.edu and login as cuervo with the password you
released (which I just did successfully) I am now known as cuervo. I could
print stuff and waste your paper quota, upload WaReZ to your account, or just
simply change your password with the `passwd` command, thus you or anyone
else that tries to access the account can no longer. I assume you are not
root on that system, or else you would have put the file in the /home/ftp
directory (well, thats where it goes in linux) and not jeopardized your
account. Since you not root, you cannot fix the problem if someone changes
your password. You'd be screwed...
- -- Scott
bennes@rpi.edu
(from a workstation at warren1b.its.rpi.edu if you finger cuervo...)
<END>
This was ment in jest, seeing as how I did none of the above (though fourty
megs of Warez would have been fun to explain to the sysadmin) Then I read
this message:
<BEGIN>
YOU are and asshole. Don't you have anything better to do than do shit
like this. I guess that's what I get for trusting people. It's shitheads
like you that make the internet a hazard to decent and charitable people
like myself. You must have no fucking life. You have one chance to
return the password to what it was. Or else.
Mike Gummelt
<END>
Imagine my surprise, since I didn't touch the account since the previous
afternoon, realised that there was nothing there, and moved on. I don't even
have the password letter anymore. Next Letter (you'll recall this):
<BEGIN>
Due to an asshole by the e-mail address of:
bennes@rpi.edu
The Insane Weapons Patch is no longer available at my private
ftp site. If you'll recall, I posted the location, login and
password to this mailing list so you could all DL the file
when you wished. Of course, I knew someone could telnet in and
change the password, but I trusted that the readers of this group
had a sort of community and wouldn't do something and childish
and meaninglessly malicious as this. Well, this jerkoff even had
the balls to write me and warn me what he was going to do! If he
was trying to prove a point about security (saying I should have
posted the password since people are assholes), all he proved is
that HE is an asshole.
I encourage anyone who wants to to flame him if you wish (not via
this mailing list of course), and I request that he be kicked off
this mailing list (he's never posted a single thing). I will
fix the password and make it available again, this time I will make
all the file read-only.
....
<END>
What evidence did he have to show it was me? I'm f'ing perplexed. Me, a
member of the linux security mailing list because I'm so paranoid, send a
message to some clueless user about why he shouldn't have posted what he did.
Naw, he only have the password to the 200 people here (never forget the
lurkers) then bounced on me because I assume I was the only one to tell him
what a dumbass he was. What's the one thing any user knows how to do (Hint:
its the first thing most providers, collegeses, etc tell you to do) CHANGE
YOUR PASSWORD. Anyone and everyone knows how to do this (Well, maybe not AOL
users) Sheesh, I run my own computer with other users on it, I know what can
happen if someone breaks in. Over the winter of 94, someone broke into one
of the main servers on campus through a priter daemon bug as root, kicked all
the other users off (this was THE fastest server on campus) and "reorganized"
some files. Once you give anyone this account, any half-brained internet
junkie says "Wow, a new account!" You;ve also given everyone on the list
access to the /etc/passwd (the list of all the user on campus, unless its
shadow-passworded, but thats a different story) One pass through a cracker,
so I've been told, and everyone is insecure.
So, someone out of the 200 or more did what I warned you would happen. I
left the account as I found it (your system sucks anyway) but others didn't.
Why don't you check the logs before harping on me? That's what the
/var/adm/* logs are for.
`cat messages |grep telnet` will reveal everone who connected remotely to
your computer.
'xferlog' would tell you who ftp'd stuff
`finger -m cuervo@pegasus.montclair.edu` would find that the last login to
the account would be from a computer called "pegasus.montclai" which means
that someone on campus last accessed it.
Another point. Why the hell would I email you from a non-anonymous account,
telling you that I'm gonna break into your system with the password you gave
me and fuck you over. Do you think I'm really that dumb? I've been Dean's
list since I arrived at RPI; I've never used AOL; I have posted before - back
when Hexen just came out in November, and again when I developed my NWT clone
for Hexen. I am not the idiot you take me to be. Nor am I "probably sitting
back in your chair and laughing right now" (remember this, Chris?) I am most
definitely not laughing. Mike destroyed everyone's trust in me, and now I am
paying for someone else's crime.
Let me sum up here. I didn't do it. I'm getting email telling me what crap
I am for doing it. No-one's bothered to trace through and find who did do
it. People think I'm scum, all on account of Mike's idiocy. I may have to
unsubscribe if people don't bother to learn the truth before they flame.
- -- Scott
bennes@rpi.edu
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