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doom-editing-digest Thursday, 31 August 1995 Volume 01 : Number 396
Re: Player camera...
ADMIN NOTE: take care ;-)
(off-topic) Creating QUAKE newsgroups!
Re: Player camera...
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From: David Manifold <n9335027@cc.wwu.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 17:30:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Player camera...
On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, JOAO TAVORA wrote:
> I'm using dehacked and I'm trying to create a replay camera using a player thing
> My idea is to cheat DooM into starting a two player cooperative game and then
> when you wish to look at the room where the camera is located, you would just
> press f12...
> The cammera could even be constantly focosing on the player if it behaved like
> a monster thing...
>
> Could anybody give me some basic ideas... on how to do it...
>
> I am also thinking about building some kind of "weapon camera" using a similar
> idea...
>
> This messie is for all you die-hard DeHackEd ans out there... (not that I'm
> one of them)
The only way to fool doom into starting a two-player cooperative game, in
my opinion, would be to set up a fake serial/net driver to replace
SERSETUP/IPXSETUP. You would just have to figure out the format of the
net packets (anyone know?) and have the fake serial/net driver simply
emulate a player that is standing still. I don't think there would be
any other difficulties except emulating a net player that was not moving.
If you succeeded in doing this, you could then hit F12 to see out the
perspective of your "camera" during cooperative mode. If you did it this
way, the camera would always be set at the player start for whatever net
player your fake driver was emulating. So to set the camera, you would
edit the level and place "player 2 start" at a different location and/or
direction.
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From: Bernd Kreimeier <Bernd.Kreimeier@nero.uni-bonn.de>
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 19:32:45 +0200
Subject: ADMIN NOTE: take care ;-)
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From: Raphael.Quinet@eed.ericsson.se
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 20:07:13 +0200
Subject: (off-topic) Creating QUAKE newsgroups!
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[This message has been cross-posted on several newsgroups. I am
re-posting it here because I hope that it will help reducing the
number of off-topic messages about Quake on this *Doom*-editing list.]
Greetings, fellow DOOMers (or people interested in similar games)!
As most of you should know by now, the makers of DOOM will probably have
another smash hit with QUAKE. There is already a newsgroup in which
people talk about QUAKE: alt.games.quake. Unfortunately, this newsgroup
does not have a good propagation (not many sites get it) and one newsgroup
will certainly not be sufficient for handling the expected flood of
articles that will be posted when QUAKE is released.
Several people have proposed to create some newsgroups for QUAKE,
preferably in the rec.* hierarchy in order to get a better propagation.
Since this process will take some time (RFD, CFV, votes, etc.), it is
better to start as soon as possible. A mailing list has been created
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From: LummoxJR@AOL.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:38:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Player camera...
joao.tavora@skyship.alce.pt (JOAO TAVORA) writes:
>I'm using dehacked and I'm trying to create a replay camera using a player
thing
>My idea is to cheat DooM into starting a two player cooperative game and
then
>when you wish to look at the room where the camera is located, you would
just
>press f12...
>The cammera could even be constantly focusing on the player if it behaved
like
>a monster thing...
>Could anybody give me some basic ideas... on how to do it...
No one can. What you're suggesting isn't even remotely possible. :(
DHE is designed to mess with monsters and objects, and it has some degree of
control over weapons (especially in 3.0, where you can now edit the BFG ammo
usage). But multiple players and DeathMatch are out of its scope.
The big problem is that players are controlled internally by the game, and
any "camera" would be looking for player information. DHE, unfortunately, not
only has no control over how Doom sets up a game (such as a cooperative
game), but it can't provide that missing data.
Cameras and network/modem stuff are so internal as to be untouchable. In
hacking terms, the word "radioactive" might neatly apply.
>I am also thinking about building some kind of "weapon camera" using a
similar
>idea...
Same problem. Extra cameras aren't possible in DHE. This would indeed be a
cool effect, but unless you were to disassemble the code, find what you
wanted to change, change it (assuming you know what you're doing), and
reassemble it, it won't work; and even then, DHE would lose the power to edit
it, as the DOOM.EXE file would have changed in length, and offsets to data
values would certainly have shifted.
It was a nice idea, but it just can't be done. Trust me.
Lummox JR
Official DHE Opinion Man
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