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doom-editing-digest Tuesday, 4 July 1995 Volume 01 : Number 335
DOOM -> Heretic WADs?
Ultimate Doom and WADS?
Heretic Query
Re: Tricks of Doom... (an answer!)
Re: Tricks of Doom......
Re: Deathmatch dude that kills you?
Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
Re: DEHACKED and the Archvile
Re: Tricks of Doom......
Re: DOOM -> Heretic WADs?
Re: DOOM -> Heretic WADs?
Re: Tricks of Doom......
Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
Re: Tricks of Doom....
doom II upgrade
Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
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From: MGrocki@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:15:11 -0400
Subject: DOOM -> Heretic WADs?
Is there any way to convert DOOM/DOOM II WADs to Heretic WADs? The
enemies may not act the same way in Heretic as they do in DOOM, but it would
be like looking up/down in DOOM. Any ideas?
Mark Grocki
------------------------------
From: esanders@sandman.pdial.interpath.net
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:05:23 +0200
Subject: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
I'm hoping somebody in this group can help me with a problem.
I had Doom II but not Doom so yesterday I puchased "The Ultimate Doom" CD.
It has the three original episodes plus a bonus: Thy Flesh Consumed. It also
says Version 1.9 on start-up.
The problem is pwads and conversions such as AliensTC for 1.9. Aliens
seems to run except no monsters at all (bummer)! When I installed aliens, it
said my Doom.exe was a different size and also said "can't find 0" when I
loaded the wads.
The pwad mayan667.wad refuses to run also. It seems to try to find some
graphic flats or something but can't find them.
I've been converting doom pwads and using them for doom2 but the main
reason I bought Ultimate Doom was to be able to use the doom wads and
conversions (aliens), so now I'm stuck. I want to learn how to make my on
wads and edit, but first I'd like to be able to run the ones that are out there.
So does anybody know what the deal is? Are the exe files different?
The size of my doom.exe is 715,493 bytes; is this different from yours?
BTW, does anyone have an opinion on the "Doom Companion" CD and book for a
cherry who wants to learn how to build and edit levels?
Please post or e-mail me.
Alot to learn... but trying.
Sandman
- ------------------------------------
Erik Sanders
esanders@sandman.pdial.interpath.net
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From: S.Benner@lancaster.ac.uk (Steve Benner)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 08:57:25 +0100
Subject: Heretic Query
>Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:53:21 -0400
>From: Strange369@aol.com
>To: s.benner@lancaster.ac.uk
>Subject: WQ: Heretic Specs, plus.
>
[request for Heretic specs dealt with and snipped...]
>
>2. There is a wad, created for Heretic, called Fortress.wad, which has a
>MAJOR bug. The concept of the wad is great, but in implimenting the wad the
>author caused a "Tall Room" error. This is evident when crossing into new
>sectors, or stepping up to doors. The screen shows the texture F_Sky1
>vertically double tiled, but the top texture is from E2Mx, while the bottom
>texture is from E1Mx. This effect is evident in at least 10 places, or more.
> Is there any way to fix this effect on the Fortress.wad without redoing the
>whole wad to conform to the height limit? What exactly is the height limit
>in Heretic to avoid the "Tall Room" effect?
>
>
> I like the wad, and am currently fixing several problems I discovered
>while playing it (or should I say trying to play it). I fixed HOM effects
>and player traps that were permanent. The only other bug I have found,
>besides bad texture alignment throughout the fortress, is a funny effect
>outside the fortress. When standing outside of the moat near the lower left
>and right corners of the map (do not go to the right side of the original
>fortress.wad) the center section of the fortress appears to rise up slightly
>higher than the rest of the fortress. This is only seeable in the
>appropriate spots. Use the mouse to move slow enough to stop on it once it
>flashes on the screen by panning left<>right. Is this part of the "Tall
>Room" effect, or is this because to many sectors are visible at one time?
> Any constructive suggestions on fixing this problem?
>
>If all else fails I will only use this wad as a coop game with a friend of
>mine, but I would like to be able to allow others to play it. Maybe just put
>a flag in the text file informing the players of the known bugs from the
>start, letting the players decide.
>
>Any and all suggestions, except trashing the wad, would be appreciated.
>
>Strange369
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From: S.Benner@lancaster.ac.uk (Steve Benner)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 09:35:46 +0100
Subject: Re: Tricks of Doom... (an answer!)
At 12:14 am 2/7/95, David R. Pierson wrote:
>I recently purchased teh book "Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus" and it
>is the flawed version of teh cd where all of teh nag screens are still
>in it. Do any of you know what FTP site I can get the fix from?
>
Can I put this thread to bed here please:
Apols on behalf of SAMS for the flawed CD in the first pressing of this
book: put it down to the speed with which this book was put together. The
second pressing should have the correct files on it and also the missing
tutorial files. For those of you who have already purchased the book and
want the goods as promised, the files should be available from sams ftp
site: ftp.mcp.com. I understand the files are password protected: you will
need to call SAMS to get the daily password--I believe there are details in
the /pub directory of the above site. I will try to find out more for
those who need it: please contact me direct, though, not through this list,
and I'll channel complaints to the right people at SAMS. ;)
For anyone interested generally in the contents of this book, check out
http://cres1.lancs.ac.uk/~esasb1/doom/dpg/
- -Steve
------------------------------
From: "quester@topnet.nl" <quester@topnet.nl>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 12:34:12 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: Tricks of Doom......
On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Jim Kennedy wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, David R. Pierson wrote:
>
> > I recently purchased teh book "Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus" and it
> > is the flawed version of teh cd where all of teh nag screens are still
> > in it. Do any of you know what FTP site I can get the fix from?
>
> A fix for what, the Doom game, an editor? If you want patches for Doom,
> FTP: idsoftware.com or its mirror sites. cdrom.com would probably also
> have them. If not for Doom, doesn't the book have any reference info.
> on where to contact them (eg. FTP, E-mail)?
>
> Who is the book intended for, level designers, graphic & sound creators
> for Doom or for "programmers" (ie. code)? Where did you buy it?
>
> ......Jim
>
> =========================================================================
> Jim Kennedy | The College Board BBS
> jimk@oeonline | (810) 478-9647, 24hrs, 14.4K
> | FidoNet: 1:2410/146, Livonia, MI, USA
> =========================================================================
>
>
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From: S.Benner@lancaster.ac.uk (Steve Benner)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 13:01:00 +0100
Subject: Re: Deathmatch dude that kills you?
At 8:51 am 30/6/95, Shawn L Hawkins wrote:
>
>Hmm! Okay, how about this. If I whip out my pistol/chaingun and move him
>(the doll) off the square into the part that is really acid, I still don't
>take damage. I do if the real player steps into it, but not the duplicate.
>
The cloned player 1's seem only to take damage from player fire: they are
not susceptible to damaging sectors, and are invisible to monsters. My
guess is that such clones are just not considered in DOOM's "is the player
somewhere where something should be happening?" loop: they just feature in
the "is there something in view to display?" and "does the flight of this
bullet/projectile intersect anything?" code [sorry about these high level
programming terms used here ;) ] This rather limits the usefulness of this
'feature' and wipes out a lot of the nice suggestions. Sorry guys.
- -Steve
------------------------------
From: mustaine@usa.net (Tom Mustaine)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 07:49:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
> So does anybody know what the deal is? Are the exe files different?
>
> The size of my doom.exe is 715,493 bytes; is this different from yours?
>
The Ult. Doom exe is different from the regular doom 1.9 Exe. There is new
data there for the added mission as well as more text for the ending. Plus,
the wad-file size is totally different, It has 9 new levels, and a new
ending picuture.
As for getting the Aliens TC thing to work. From what I understand of
that Patch, It worked with 1.2 only (correct me if I am wrong, the one I had
preffered 1.2) Somebody needs to write a DE-patch Patch. Make 1.9's to
1.6's and so on. There are so many good add-ons that are not compatible
with the new versions, It would be nice to jump back to the older ones.
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From: Greg Lewis <gregl@umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: DEHACKED and the Archvile
> That's what I wanted, alright. I found which three frames are actually
> `it', but I can't find anything that calls them. Even if I can isolate
> which frame in the walking sequence spawns off the resurrection sequence, I
> wouldn't know how to change it! I have noticed that it's kind of like a
> `close attack' on a dead thing. The archie has to be standing right next
> to el corpso.
Yep, Archie needs to stand right next to corpses to resurrect them.
This also allows the Archvile to resurrect corpses that are at a a vastly
different height (at the edge of a cliff), or even THROUGH a thin wall
(seenit happen many times on Map16 right at the start).
> Also, there are a couple frames that cause errors in dehacked! In the
> original DOOM2.EXE (v1.9), a few of the Archvile frames cause `Frame not
> found in WAD' in dehacked.
Those actually aren't DeHackEd errors (I just checked it out). ARCHD
through ARCHF are NOT stored in the Doom2.wad file at all. I'm not sure
what exactly Doom uses in their place, but at least according to DEU's
sprite-viewer, those sprites are non-existent. Wierd.
Greg
------------------------------
From: ind01222@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 09:14 EDT
Subject: Re: Tricks of Doom......
>>I recently purchased teh book "Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus" and it
>>is the flawed version of teh cd where all of teh nag screens are still
>>in it. Do any of you know what FTP site I can get the fix from?
[I got the following off of r.g.c.d.editing a couple weeks ago. This is an
answer to a post which asked a question similar to yours. PLEASE NOTE: I
am in NO way associated with SAMS Publishing. I'm just providing a copy of
this for the benefit of my fellow Doomers. In other words, no questions to
me about the following information, please, because I wouldn't be able to
answer them :) --Scott]
"We apologize if you experienced a problem with WadEd. The version of
WadEd on the CD-ROM does display a 'nag' screen upon startup, even
though it was supposed to be a special non-shareware version created
for us by the author. The author of this program has changed this and
we've have an updated registered version available as a free update on
our FTP site.
The updated file is located on
ftp.mcp.com /pub/sams/books/DOOMGURU/wadednew.exe
This is a self-extracting archive with password protection. Just
email support@mcp.com and ask for the password (you need to include
the ISBN number of the "Tricks..." book in your message--it's on the
back cover).
To decompress the archive, type WADEDNEW.EXE, followed by -s and the
password (there are no spaces between -s and the password).
All of the editors and tools that the authors cover in the chapters
are either special versions that the authors wrote for this book (with
extra functionality and no shareware fees needed), or they are
freeware/public domain tools.
Don't forget to send in your registration for the product -- everyone
who has sent in their registration via Email has already been notified
of this update!
And after this, if you're still not satisfied, call our Customer
Service department at 1-800-858-7674. You can send the book back to us
and we will refund your money.
Sams Publishing
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wayne Blankenbeckler Sams Publishing
wayneb@sams.mcp.com An imprint of Macmillan Computer Publishing
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.mcp.com ftp.mcp.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------"
------------------------------
From: jroberto@on-ramp.ior.com (Jacob Roberto)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 09:31 PDT
Subject: Re: DOOM -> Heretic WADs?
> Is there any way to convert DOOM/DOOM II WADs to Heretic WADs? The
>enemies may not act the same way in Heretic as they do in DOOM, but it would
>be like looking up/down in DOOM. Any ideas?
>
First you'd have to convert the MAP01 to E1M1. Then you'd have to convert
all the things to there closest exquivilants in heretic. Then you'd have to
convert all the textures to heretic textures. It is a real pain.
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
' #DEFINE USER "YOU" '*J*ROBERTOSOFT R O '. . '
' MAIN() '*A* O T ' . '
' { '*C* B R '. '
' WHILE INPUTFROM(USER) BEEPAT(USER) '*O* E ' '
' } '*B* ''
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
------------------------------
From: Daniel Bateman <batemand@dasher.buck.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 12:50:12 -0400
Subject: Re: DOOM -> Heretic WADs?
> Is there any way to convert DOOM/DOOM II WADs to Heretic WADs? The
>enemies may not act the same way in Heretic as they do in DOOM, but it would
>be like looking up/down in DOOM. Any ideas?
Try DM2CONV.ZIP. It works very well for converting DOOM->DOOM2 and
DOOM->Heretic. It will even create a PWAD with the textures from DOOM that
works with Heretic.
- -=-
Dan
------------------------------
From: ac660@detroit.freenet.org (David R. Pierson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 16:54:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Tricks of Doom......
>
>
>
> On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, Jim Kennedy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 2 Jul 1995, David R. Pierson wrote:
>>
>> > I recently purchased teh book "Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus" and it
>> > is the flawed version of teh cd where all of teh nag screens are still
>> > in it. Do any of you know what FTP site I can get the fix from?
>>
>> A fix for what, the Doom game, an editor? If you want patches for Doom,
>> FTP: idsoftware.com or its mirror sites. cdrom.com would probably also
>> have them. If not for Doom, doesn't the book have any reference info.
>> on where to contact them (eg. FTP, E-mail)?
>>
>> Who is the book intended for, level designers, graphic & sound creators
>> for Doom or for "programmers" (ie. code)? Where did you buy it?
>>
>> ......Jim
>>
>> =========================================================================
>> Jim Kennedy | The College Board BBS
>> jimk@oeonline | (810) 478-9647, 24hrs, 14.4K
>> | FidoNet: 1:2410/146, Livonia, MI, USA
>> =========================================================================
>>
>>
>
>
It is intended for level designers and graphic and sound editors. It has
nothing to do with the actual doom engine coding/editing.
Dave
------------------------------
From: l-sieben@MEMPHIS.EDU (ulasieben)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 16:38:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
At 07:49 AM 7/3/95 -0600, doom-editing@nvg.unit.no wrote:
>The Ult. Doom exe is different from the regular doom 1.9 Exe. There is new
>data there for the added mission as well as more text for the ending. Plus,
>the wad-file size is totally different, It has 9 new levels, and a new
>ending picuture.
> As for getting the Aliens TC thing to work. From what I understand of
>that Patch, It worked with 1.2 only (correct me if I am wrong, the one I had
>preffered 1.2) Somebody needs to write a DE-patch Patch. Make 1.9's to
>1.6's and so on. There are so many good add-ons that are not compatible
>with the new versions, It would be nice to jump back to the older ones.
Question: for compatibility with all other DOOMs, why didn't id just make
Ultimate DOOM's TFC a big PWAD? Then it would load like normal, and no new
EXE is
needed. I sugegst id re-release Ulimate DOOM like this, or fix the problem.
If WADs dont work, people will be pissed.
-- Evil Genius (JImmy Sieben)
------------------------------
From: ind01222@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 95 17:50 EDT
Subject: Re: Tricks of Doom....
[If this is the second copy of this that you've received, I apologize; my
server has been infested with gremlins this morning. I don't think the
first copy was ever sent. --Scott]
>>I recently purchased teh book "Tricks of the Doom Programming Gurus" and it
>>is the flawed version of teh cd where all of teh nag screens are still
>>in it. Do any of you know what FTP site I can get the fix from?
[I got the following off of r.g.c.d.editing a couple weeks ago. This is an
answer to a post which asked a question similar to yours. PLEASE NOTE: I
am in NO way associated with SAMS Publishing. I'm just providing a copy of
this for the benefit of my fellow Doomers. In other words, no questions to
me about the following information, please, because I wouldn't be able to
answer them :) --Scott]
"We apologize if you experienced a problem with WadEd. The version of
WadEd on the CD-ROM does display a 'nag' screen upon startup, even
though it was supposed to be a special non-shareware version created
for us by the author. The author of this program has changed this and
we've have an updated registered version available as a free update on
our FTP site.
The updated file is located on
ftp.mcp.com /pub/sams/books/DOOMGURU/wadednew.exe
This is a self-extracting archive with password protection. Just
email support@mcp.com and ask for the password (you need to include
the ISBN number of the "Tricks..." book in your message--it's on the
back cover).
To decompress the archive, type WADEDNEW.EXE, followed by -s and the
password (there are no spaces between -s and the password).
All of the editors and tools that the authors cover in the chapters
are either special versions that the authors wrote for this book (with
extra functionality and no shareware fees needed), or they are
freeware/public domain tools.
Don't forget to send in your registration for the product -- everyone
who has sent in their registration via Email has already been notified
of this update!
And after this, if you're still not satisfied, call our Customer
Service department at 1-800-858-7674. You can send the book back to us
and we will refund your money.
Sams Publishing
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wayne Blankenbeckler Sams Publishing
wayneb@sams.mcp.com An imprint of Macmillan Computer Publishing
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.mcp.com ftp.mcp.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------"
===========================================================================
+ Scott R. Osborne + Never forget: +
+ + we walk on hell, +
+ ind01222@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu + gazing at flowers. +
+ University of Central Florida + --Issa +
===========================================================================
------------------------------
From: carlo.orsettigh@pmn.it
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 22:20:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: doom II upgrade
I have a DOOM II 1.666 registered.
I have downloaded the complete upgrade to versione 1.9 and
I've launch it, but it stop with the message :
incorrect doom version....
I've tried upgrade from 1.666 to 1.7 then 1.9 with
the same negative results.
Any suggestion is welcome
Thanks
Carlo Orsettigh orsettigh@pmn.it
------------------------------
From: Greg Lewis <gregl@umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:19:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
> Question: for compatibility with all other DOOMs, why didn't id just make
> Ultimate DOOM's TFC a big PWAD? Then it would load like normal, and no new
> EXE is
> needed. I sugegst id re-release Ulimate DOOM like this, or fix the problem.
> If WADs dont work, people will be pissed.
Then they wouldn't be able to put in the ending text and stuff. After
all, why would Id want to use an exe-hacking program to put in new text
when they wrote the thing themselves?!
Greg
------------------------------
From: Strange369@AOL.COM
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:08:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Ultimate Doom and WADS?
In a message dated 95-07-03 05:33:24 EDT, you write:
>BTW, does anyone have an opinion on the "Doom Companion" CD and book for a
>cherry who wants to learn how to build and edit levels?
>
I picked up the Doom Companion about four weeks or so ago. The CD has
several pwads on it that you can play. It includes in-progress pwads
corresponding with the "Lessons". Most of the information in the book is
very educational, especially to somebody just learning how to edit wads. The
CD also gives you a choose of editors to use. The drawback is that the book
uses Waded version 1.83 in its lessons.
I know there are probably people out there that really like Waded. In some
regards I do too, but after learning how to use Deep/Heep (Deep for Doom and
Heep for Heretic) I found Waded to be additional work when creating sectors,
changing single-sided linedefs to double-sided linedefs, etc. The version of
Deep/Heep that comes on the CD is version 6.2, which is the "Special"
registered version. It works really well, but you can't print out maps, or
test launch into the Doom/Heretic program. However, I just registered with
the author to get the newest version. He just finished with Deep, but hasn't
quite finished with Heep. I should have it by next weekend. The version
7.10s, which can be downloaded is cool, but it has just a couple of small
bugs, and it has a limit on the size of the pwad you can edit and save (this
is so you will register).
If you decide to use Deep/Heep and you have any questions about how to do
something, then e-mail me if you need to. I'll be more than happy to try and
help. I hope this helps you.
Timothy
Strange369@aol.com
strange@inch.com - Brand new internet address
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