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doom-editing-digest Sunday, 26 February 1995 Volume 01 : Number 188
Re: The Wad
Once again, how to UNSUBSCRIBE
Back to Hell-Doom ]I[
Wad-base Report #2
Re: "The WAD": Theme
Wad-base Report #3 (sorry...)
Re: THE WAD - Update part3
Re : the Wad
Re: "The WAD": Theme
Re: The Wad
Re: "The WAD": Theme
I'm with Enigma
Re: ** DCK 2.1B PUBLIC RELEASE **
Re: Editor import question
Re: ** DCK 2.1B PUBLIC RELEASE **
Re: Editor import question
Re: "The WAD": Theme
Re: Re : the Wad
Re: Wad-base Report #3 (sorry...)
Re: ** DCK 2.1B PUBLIC RELEASE **
Re: Editor import question
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From: Anthony Spataro <ads@netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:32:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: The Wad
On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Brian Kidby wrote:
> Would be great for single-player, but I'd expect trouble from LucasArts...
Gawd, yes! Any movies made by a company that's into games also are most
definitely out, as far as major projects are concerned.
/ads@netcom.com
[LC/Cardy/Kilwren/Cardenyl
\PASO/Paradigm/Storm
---------------------------->
Death is Nature's way of recycling human beings.
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From: "John F. Harris" <jfharr01@homer.louisville.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 02:26:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Once again, how to UNSUBSCRIBE
This new WAD project sounds great...it has renewed discussion in this group
100 times. I've just returned to find several hundred messages ranging from
editor wars to the new WAD project. I think DEU is still the best editor and
the engine should be Heretic -- not to add fuel to the fire.
Could someone please post 1) how to unsubscribe and 2) how to subscribe
(resubscribe)...I'm certain everyone could do without reading "on vacation"
as much as the "mail read" notification messages. Thanks.
- --
______________________________________________________________________________
_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ | "Never attribute to malice | jfharr01@
_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ | that which can adequately | -homer.lousiville
_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ | be explained by stupidity." | -.edu
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From: "Eric Richard Davis" <davis.529@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 03:00:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Back to Hell-Doom ]I[
I was talking to a friend and he pointed out that even though doom2 was
really kool the theme of Hell seemed to be the most intense. I can't think
of any theme that would be more intense. If we could turn the player back to
Hell. Make it look more like Hell. Maybe put a few very demonic-looking
creatures into it. Make it even more difficult. Maybe after the
destruction of the Boss Brain we could say that some ultimate evil
being(Satan maybe?) seeks to exact revenge on you. The ground opens up
and swallows you into a world that is makes your trip to inferno pale in
comparison.
This idea seems simple enough to carry out and lets the doom theme continue.
And the ultimate evil being -make him near impossible to kill. I found the
boss brain too easy, once you know how to do it. Cyberdemons were too easy
if you had plenty of room or plenty of cover.
Eric Davis
davis.529@osu.edu
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From: hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca (Enigma)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 00:58:16 -0800
Subject: Wad-base Report #2
This is the latest wad-base report. It outlines who wants to do what for the
wad project. This list is only for those who wish to contribute to a partial
addition to Doom.
WAD_BASE ver: 02-25-1995/00:25:26 pst <- it's late
Level Editors [9]:
dowswea@aa.wl.com
thekid@ornews.intel.com
johnsond@teradyne.com
dteeter@aol.com
ogiswise@rahul.net
gregl@umich.edu
Swift1@PowerGrid.Electriciti.Com
hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca
jdh15@po.cwru.edu
Texture designer/editors [2]:
johnsond@teradyne.com
dteeter@aol.com
Musicians:
WE NEED A MUSICIAN!
Sound editors [2]:
hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca
ads@netcom.com
Have a scanner [SOLO]:
ads@netcom.com
Have a video device:
ANYONE GOT A DIGITAL CAMERA?
Artists [MR.LONELY]:
dteeter@aol.com
- ------------------------
If you wish to contribute to the building of a partial doom addition, please
follow the following 4 steps:
1) send me EMAIL (hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca)
2) in the subject place "wad-base"
3) in the message body place any number of the following and nothing
else (one word per line only):
levels - I want to be a level editor for the project
textures - I want to be a texture editor for the project
sounds - I want to be a sound editor for the project
music - I am a MIDI musician who can write songs for the project
have-scanner - I have a scanner, and will use it for the project
have-video - I have a video camera and will use it for the project
artist - I am an artist, and can draw at id's level or higher
playtesting - I wish to test the levels for playability etc. (NEW)
4) type in your email address
Example:
SUBJECT: wad-base
- -------------------------
levels
sounds
askbill@microsoft.com
- -------------------------
When I have received sufficient contributions, I will send organizational
email to each "group" (level-junkies, artists, etc.) telling each member
who is in their group, and who the "bosses" are.
If you need help, don't hesitate to send me a message with "wad-base-help"
as the subject.
If you want to be a group leader, just sign up as mentioned above. When the
first informal group meeting is held (IRC?), you can voice your desires and
each group can vote or dictate or whatever. Thanks!
***************************************************************************
enigma <hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca>
***************************************************************************
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From: John Minadeo <jminadeo@cybercon.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 04:33:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: "The WAD": Theme
On 25 Feb 1995 jdh15@po.cwru.edu wrote:
>
> Ross (setc) sez:
>
> > I think we need to appoint a co-ordinator of co-ordinators. I
> > nominate myself for the position.
>
> [campaign spiel and plan deleted]
>
> way to go!
> you have my vote. Furthermore, I think your plan is great. Like I
> said, I'll write levels, but I'm no beaurocrat.
>
> -j
>
Got my vote too...
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From: hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca (Enigma)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:59:27 -0800
Subject: Wad-base Report #3 (sorry...)
(sorry for the traffic)
This is the latest wad-base report. It outlines who wants to do what for
the wad project. This list is only for those who wish to contribute
to a partial addition to Doom.
WAD_BASE ver: 02-25-1995/01:44:19
Level Editors: [19] WOW
dowswea@aa.wl.com
thekid@ornews.intel.com
johnsond@teradyne.com
dteeter@aol.com
ogiswise@rahul.net
gregl@umich.edu
Swift1@PowerGrid.Electriciti.Com
hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca
jdh15@po.cwru.edu
JoshMartel@aol.com
d9ij@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
ips@remus.rutgers.edu
TWM2029@aol.com
Raphael.Quinet@eed.ericsson.se
dsquid@li.net
thldrmn@sam.neosoft.com
l-sieben@memphis.edu
symbol@ix.netcom.com
johnw@datametrics.com
Texture designer/editors: [ 2]
johnsond@teradyne.com
dteeter@aol.com
Sound editors: [ 3]
hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca
ads@netcom.com
rmiller@infinet.com
Have a scanner: [ 1]
ads@netcom.com
Artists: [ 1] Leonardo da Vinci wanted.
dteeter@aol.com
Playtesters: [ 1] In reality, everyone is a playtester.
jlelson@utdallas.edu
* Still looking for a digital video camera... and a skilled MIDI musician.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
For help, send me email. My address is "hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca". Use the
subject "wad-base-help" in your message.
P.S. I'm sorry for all this added traffic I've created. I promise, it's the
last time I'll upload 3 big messages in one night. And yes, I have subscribed
to the wadteam mailing list and will be transferring all traffic there. TTUL.
***************************************************************************
enigma <hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca>
***************************************************************************
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From: kwreid@helix.net (Keith Reid)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:33:21 -0500
Subject: Re: THE WAD - Update part3
> I, for one, don't want to use Doom 2! The two engines are identical and
> it is possible to use Doom 2 monsters in Doom 1 if we provide some pictures
> for them. So we have to look somewhere else for a difference. And this
> is where Doom 1 scores better than Doom 2: it has three episodes instead
> of one big set of levels, and nice intermission screens that show your
> progress. Having three episodes means that you can more easily balance
> the difficulty levels, since each episode begins from scratch.
Now consider this though. DOOM2 may store the maps in a map01, map02..map32
scheme, but it still behaves as though they're segmented into episodes in as
far as that you get intermission screens after certain levels.
Keith Reid
kwreid@helix.net
Keith Reid, Fidonet@1:153/859.0
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From: ee41rp@ee.surrey.ac.uk
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 15:44:38 +0000 (WET)
Subject: Re : the Wad
Please excuse me is this message is a bit out of date as I have just found
none of my mail has gone out for the last couple of days. I will also mail
extracts of this to the people co-ordinating the project, I've been talking
in a vaccumm and i want to SHOUT.
1.
Yes I think the project should be split into 2 parts.
I would prefer doom 1 for the wad only project ( it's going so fast I
wouldn't have time to get use to a new interface to allow
me to edit doom ][.)
I have no experience using Dehacked so I can't comment on what we should
use for the complete replacement project.
2.
I like the Scientific study of hellspawn, or mutagen experiment themes
which have been proposed. They would give a completely new story without
needing new graphics, although the humans with plasma rifles or rocket
launchers sound really quite good. ( Perhaps a dehacked/graphics patch
could be written to patch the levels patch )
3.
I like the idea of designing the levels to match the names in the EXE
file, it would give the levels designers a general idea for the levels,
which I think is a always the hardest thing in my opinion.
4.
I would like to help with the wad only project. I would be willing to do
a couple of levels from the middle of an episode say EXM3 or EXM4,
although as I haven't been editing for too long they might take me 2-3
weeks each ( this is for total completion, does the person who said they
could complete one in 3 days do anything else ? ). But note that I will
lose all internet access from 17th March to the 24th April due to Easter
holidays, but this does mean that I will get more time to work on doom. I
haven't had any DM experience, but I get the general idea on how to make
the level DM playable.
5.
Does anybody know what can be put on a web page in the way of doom graphics
screen shots etc? Hopefully I'll have a home page soon, and I don't want
to upset id.
Oh BTW thanks to those people who sent me E-mail confirming my send, I
think that several of servers won't send external mail.
Sorry if this is a duplicate.
Robin J Patenall ( A student @ Surrey university, England )
E-Mail ee41rp@ee.surrey.ac.uk
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From: setc@together.net (Ross Carlson)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:10:26 -0500
Subject: Re: "The WAD": Theme
>
>
>On 25 Feb 1995 jdh15@po.cwru.edu wrote:
>
>>
>> Ross (setc) sez:
>>
>> > I think we need to appoint a co-ordinator of co-ordinators. I
>> > nominate myself for the position.
>>
>> [campaign spiel and plan deleted]
>>
>> way to go!
>> you have my vote. Furthermore, I think your plan is great. Like I
>> said, I'll write levels, but I'm no beaurocrat.
>>
>> -j
>>
>Got my vote too...
>
Thanks for the support, but see my earlier message - subject -> I'm with Enigma
- -Ross
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From: Aragorn! <bsc4074@hades.dcs.napier.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 15:49:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: The Wad
On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Brian Kidby wrote:
> >
> > I like the INDIANA JONES theme too... I can't easily paly DM, so...
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
>
> Would be great for single-player, but I'd expect trouble from LucasArts...
>
> Brian
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Kid My thoughts and actions are strictly my own.
> thekid@ornews.intel.com Do not hold my employers responsible.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
I think LucasFilm would be more bothered than LucasArts.....
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From: setc@together.net (Ross Carlson)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:01:53 -0500
Subject: Re: "The WAD": Theme
>
>Ross (setc) sez:
>
>> I think we need to appoint a co-ordinator of co-ordinators. I
>> nominate myself for the position.
>
>[campaign spiel and plan deleted]
>
>way to go!
>you have my vote. Furthermore, I think your plan is great. Like I
>said, I'll write levels, but I'm no beaurocrat.
>
Hope I'm not dissapointing anybody here, but it looks like most of the
committed people have signed up to work with Enigma, so that's where me and
my web page are goin'. If a group is still planning to do a total
conversion, I will dedicate a page to it, if the info is submitted in an
orderly fashion! Let me know when that project gets a co-ordinator.
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From: setc@together.net (Ross Carlson)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:03:04 -0500
Subject: I'm with Enigma
**************************************************************************
I'm re-sending this with a more meaningful subject line so I can refer to it
**************************************************************************
>Ross (setc) sez:
>
>> I think we need to appoint a co-ordinator of co-ordinators. I
>> nominate myself for the position.
>
>[campaign spiel and plan deleted]
>
>way to go!
>you have my vote. Furthermore, I think your plan is great. Like I
>said, I'll write levels, but I'm no beaurocrat.
>
Hope I'm not dissapointing anybody here, but it looks like most of the
committed people have signed up to work with Enigma, so that's where me and
my web page are goin'. If a group is still planning to do a total
conversion, I will dedicate a page to it, if the info is submitted in an
orderly fashion! Let me know when that project gets a co-ordinator.
------------------------------
From: Robert Forsman <thoth@cis.ufl.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 11:13:44 EST
Subject: Re: ** DCK 2.1B PUBLIC RELEASE **
bmorris@islandnet.com (Ben Morris) ,in message <m0riDWI-000KzKC@island.amtsgi.b
c.ca>, wrote:
> New features for 2.1 include:
> o UNDO FEATURE - a first!
PFME Alpha 8 was released with fully functional undo last week. I don't
know if anyone else had it before then.
Alpha 10 will have autosave that saves part of the undo buffer :)
One of these days I'll have to start declaring it Beta :)
> o Much better PWAD texture support
> o More customizable options
> o Enhanced: Sector splits, snap to vertex, clipboard and drag-and-drop.
I once picked the option where you turn a pair of linedefs into walls of a
staircase (great idea. I have to steal that one), then I deleted the
separating linedefs, joining the sectors. The result was a small mess
(unclosed sector). It was probably because the original sector was NOT genus
one. It had two discontiguous bits.
*plug for PFME* I painstakingly hack every operation until it is nigh
bulletproof. I was always disappointed when I tried to do something slightly
screwy in DEU and it would lock or mangle sidedefs. Of course, someone out
there is going to do something I didn't think of and lock mine. Oh well. As
long as they send a bug report...
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From: "Jason Hoffoss" <hoffo002@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 14:27:00 CST
Subject: Re: Editor import question
On Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:00:04 PST,
William D. Whitaker <wdwhitak@grissom.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>
>Hi all-
>
>Is there an editor that allows import of a list vertices coordinates (x,y)
>via a text file, Ive looked but can see a way to make DEU5.21 do it.
>
>This would save me hours. :)
>
> -Bill
None I know of, but I could write up a quick little C program to do this
and save it to a pwad in maybe an hour. Then you could use that in the
Editors. Interested?
-Jason
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From: Anthony Spataro <ads@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 12:58:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: ** DCK 2.1B PUBLIC RELEASE **
I may be overreacting to those last couple editor mails, but, please,
folks, don't lt this degenrate into another round of editor warz.
There's a line between discussion and argument, and when it gets crossed,
it tends to generate alot of spam.
So, as of this point, we've got two projects: Enigma's and...er..the
other one, with the staffbot. Which one is doing which? Before we all
split to wad-team, I just wanna get this straight so I don't cross any wires.
/ads@netcom.com
[LC/Cardy/Kilwren/Cardenyl
\PASO/Paradigm/Storm
---------------------------->
The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching
train.
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From: Anthony Spataro <ads@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 13:00:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Editor import question
On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Jason Hoffoss wrote:
> >Is there an editor that allows import of a list vertices coordinates (x,y)
> >via a text file, Ive looked but can see a way to make DEU5.21 do it.
> None I know of, but I could write up a quick little C program to do this
> and save it to a pwad in maybe an hour. Then you could use that in the
> Editors. Interested?
Just a suggestion (which may be obvious): make the first pair of coords
in the text file be an "origin" inside the PWAD's space, and everything
after that be relative to the PWAD--this will save a lot of typing--if I
recall, the ranges of x and y values inside a PWAD are ridiculously huge.
/ads@netcom.com
[LC/Cardy/Kilwren/Cardenyl
\PASO/Paradigm/Storm
---------------------------->
The light at the end of the tunnel is the headlight of an approaching
train.
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From: Ian Springer <ips@remus.rutgers.edu>
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 16:46:16 EST
Subject: Re: "The WAD": Theme
I'm in w/ Ross for the total conversion using the Heretic engine! who else
is in the group for _THE_ wad?
- ------------------< Ian Springer (Rutgers College '98) >---------------------
ips@eden.rutgers.edu (general) ips@remus.rutgers.edu (computer science)
ips@usacs.rutgers.edu (USACS) ips@gandalf.rutgers.edu (honors program)
- ---------------------< http://remus.rutgers.edu/~ips >-----------------------
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From: setc@together.net (Ross Carlson)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:34:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Re : the Wad
>Does anybody know what can be put on a web page in the way of doom graphics
>screen shots etc? Hopefully I'll have a home page soon, and I don't want
>to upset id.
I exchanged mail with John Romero, because I wanted to use some graphics for
my web page on this project, and he told me that we couldn't use any of
their material. He said he wants to let us, but that he must say no. :(
Sorry,
- -Ross
****************************************
* Ross Alan Carlson *
* setc@together.net *
* "THE WAD" Home Page: *
*http://together.net/~setc/thewad.html *
****************************************
****************************************
* Ross Alan Carlson *
* setc@together.net *
* "THE WAD" Home Page: *
*http://together.net/~setc/thewad.html *
****************************************
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From: tedv@geom.umn.edu
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 15:14:22 CST
Subject: Re: Wad-base Report #3 (sorry...)
> (sorry for the traffic)
Same here.
> Level Editors: [19] WOW
> dowswea@aa.wl.com
> thekid@ornews.intel.com
> johnsond@teradyne.com
> dteeter@aol.com
> ogiswise@rahul.net
> gregl@umich.edu
> Swift1@PowerGrid.Electriciti.Com
> hsimpson@unixg.ubc.ca
> jdh15@po.cwru.edu
> JoshMartel@aol.com
> d9ij@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca
> ips@remus.rutgers.edu
> TWM2029@aol.com
> Raphael.Quinet@eed.ericsson.se
> dsquid@li.net
> thldrmn@sam.neosoft.com
> l-sieben@memphis.edu
> symbol@ix.netcom.com
> johnw@datametrics.com
If we have this many people on the team, I think we can afford to be picky
level wise. Why don't we have everyone create 2 levels (or 3 if they want
to) and then we go through and pick the 27 (or 32) best and most coherent
levels.
> * Still looking for a digital video camera... and a skilled MIDI musician.
Mmm... I have a MIDI keyboard, but I still can't get the MIDI-In on my SB16
to work. Skilled musician? Hah. Hardly. And I don't think I could pull
off 30 some differetn music tracks, much less 20 or 25 like they have in
DOOM.
Sorry for not replying to the wad team mailing list. I'm not on it, I
probably won't join the project: I don't have the address.
- -Ted
- --
Ted Vessenes | "The only force stronger than fate is dramatic irony."
tedv@geom.umn.edu | "[William] Shatner couldn't direct his way out of the
tedv@cs.umn.edu | bathroom with both hands and a map!"
tjvessen@midway.uchicago.edu -Ryan Ingram (1st), -Kibo's .sig (2nd)
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From: at455@freenet.carleton.ca (Colin Pascal)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:41:08 -0500
Subject: Re: ** DCK 2.1B PUBLIC RELEASE **
> PFME Alpha 8 was released with fully functional undo last week. I don't
>know if anyone else had it before then.
Could someone please post the new DCK and PFME A8 to a.binaries.doom?
Thanks,
Colin.
- --
If consequences dictate a course of action then
it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught.
If consequences dictate a course of action then
I should play god and just shoot you myself.
- Tool.
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From: l-sieben@MEMPHIS.EDU (ulasieben)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 17:37:59 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Editor import question
>On Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:00:04 PST,
>William D. Whitaker <wdwhitak@grissom.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Hi all-
>>
>>Is there an editor that allows import of a list vertices coordinates (x,y)
>>via a text file, Ive looked but can see a way to make DEU5.21 do it.
>>
>>This would save me hours. :)
>>
>> -Bill
>
>None I know of, but I could write up a quick little C program to do this
>and save it to a pwad in maybe an hour. Then you could use that in the
>Editors. Interested?
>
> -Jason
>
>
I would be interetd in seeing the source code. That'd be a neat little
hack of a utility. If you like, please send me the src at
l-sieben@memphis.edu.
-- Evil Genius (Jimmy Sieben)
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