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Doom Editing Digest Vol. 01 Nr. 126
From: owner-doom-editing-digest
To: doom-editing-digest@nvg.unit.no
Subject: doom-editing-digest V1 #126
Reply-To: doom-editing
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doom-editing-digest Wednesday, 18 January 1995 Volume 01 : Number 126
Re: consistency checking -Reply
RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
Re: Heretic Graphics Weak?
Re: Heretic Graphics Weak?
Re: Heretic Graphics Weak?
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From: John Daly <john.daly@wpo.tmp.medtronic.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:46:57 -0700
Subject: Re: consistency checking -Reply
Wasn't sure this was the latest, so I am sending it to you EMAIL.
Do you have any suggestions as to how someone without FTP could get
a copy of DoomCad? I hear good things about it.
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From: d.casali.rea0808@oasis.icl.co.uk
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 08:57:03 GMT
Subject: RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
I agree with your opinion to a certain extent, the textures
don't seem to give the same effect of photorealism that Doom
does, but having said that, when I first saw Doom I had
reservations about the walls and how surreal they were.
DC
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From: Paul Francis Turnbull <stenger@engin.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 11:04:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
In reply to several recent critiques of heretic's textures I'd like to
add my two cents. I really enjoyed the new textures in the shareware
version and expect that the registered version will have many more.
Another post asked about a version of Dmgraph for Doom2 and the response
was essentially empty of useful information. There are two excellent
tools available for editing textures for either doom 1 or doom 2
(heretic support may also be there) they are called:
deutex31.zip and nwt102.zip and they are available from ftp.cdrom.com.
I recommend deutex despite it's command line (or batch file) interface.
Once you read through the docs and experiment with it for a while you
can get it to do just about anything you'd like in the way of adding
graphics or sound to doom. Nwt (New Wad Tools) is also good and has
a graphical interface. I use it mainly for viewing textures and visually
building textures from basic wall patches.
I have no association with the authors of either of these utilities
other than as a satisfied customer.
Paul Turnbull
stenger@engin.umich.edu
author of mayan667.wad (and others)
P.S. please stop posting binaries to this mail list (okay, if its *real*
short and illustrates a point then its no big deal. Please use judgement)
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From: andrewb@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Andrew Buettner)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 12:46:24 EST
Subject: RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
unsubscibe <andrewb@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
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From: Brad Spencer <spencer@ug.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 13:56:37 -0400
Subject: RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Paul Francis Turnbull wrote:
> In reply to several recent critiques of heretic's textures I'd like to
> add my two cents. I really enjoyed the new textures in the shareware
> version and expect that the registered version will have many more.
.. I just _have_ to say that the textures sucked (yes, that's the best
description I can come up with -- ok, ok, they were too bright and big,
cartoony, Mickey-Mouse).. They took away from the feel of the game (I
dodn't feel like I am really in the game when I play [unlike Doom])..
Same goes for the sprites.. In fact, I deleted it, 'cause it was -*gasp*-...
dull!
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Brad Spencer - Bilbo - spencer@ug.cs.dal.ca - Dalhousie University
"Everybody is Kung-Fu Fragging . . ." Remember... God plays Doom
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From: andrewb@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Andrew Buettner)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 13:59:33 EST
Subject: RE: Heretic Graphics Weak?
unsubscibe <andrewb@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
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From: cmacord@fedex.com (Charlie Acord)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 16:23:25 -0600
Subject: Re: Heretic Graphics Weak?
>
>Is it me, or are the textures in Heretic extremely weak? It seems like
>they put very little effort and time into the textures. Perhaps a
>utility to import the DOOM II textures into Heretic would be
>appropriate. This way we can retain the awesome weapons, flying, and
>look up/down features of Heretic and have the DOOM II textures too. It
>seems like in Heretic deathmatch, all the characters blend into the walls.
>
>
>Jordan Feinman System Operator
>Global One, Inc. (518) 452-1465 v
>jordanf@globalone.net (518) 452-1234 d
Yeah, I know what you mean, even tho I can't exactly put it into words.
It's almost like things are "fuzzy"....I don't know. When I really noticed
it, tho, is when I started playing DeathMatch. The human figures seem
blurry and hunched over, and noticeably smaller than in DOOM. I found it a
*lot* harder to pick my opponent up, regardless of his color. But it sure
was enjoyable to fly out of nowhere and blast him to bits from above!!!
Man, I hoarded those wings just for that opportunity!!
It was also great to turn him into a chicken and then blast him to bits. I
did this to my opponents several times, but it only happened to me once, and
it was then that I discovered that you can still use your magic items even
tho you are a chicken, 'cause I threw one of my eggs at him (actually,
"her", my daughter) and turned her into a chicken, too!!! We decided at
that point to have a "pecker to the death" contest (what a pun!), and
started running at each other to see who could inflict the most damage with
that deadly beak <g>. It was then that I made my next discovery -- the
chicken spell is not permanent!!! As I was turning for another pass, I
turned back into a human. Imagine my opponent's surprise when she turned
expecting to face a beak, and got a "dragon claw sandwich" right in the
chops instead!!!
But I digress....
Charlie
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From: cgasparo@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:49:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Heretic Graphics Weak?
>>
>> Is it me, or are the textures in Heretic extremely weak? It seems like
>> they put very little effort and time into the textures.
>
> My roommate says that some of the textures in e1m2 give her a headache. I
>think she's talking about the grey stone with vines.
Well, I feel the opposite from the far above. I think the textures in
Heretic are much better than in doom. The graphics are mostly better,
thats why a company dedicated mainly to doing graphics did the graphics!
The wall textures in particular were well thought out and placed (though
I can't belive they forgot to align most of them) and often do a pretty
descent job of camoflage(sp?). Heretic gets a big thumbs up from me as
what I see as *my* (not exactly everyones, but my) ideal edditting
environ.
Maybe you have yours in low-res mode?
Steve H.B.
PS - I speak for no-one but me. If you love Doom's textures or Doom ]['s
textures over all, hey, they're all well done.
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From: Nekraath <nek@starbase.neosoft.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:59:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Heretic Graphics Weak?
> >Is it me, or are the textures in Heretic extremely weak? It seems like
Is it me, or is this mailing list supposed to be about DOOM?
Furthermore, I thought it was about AdVaNcEd editing of the prior game?!?
*sigh*
Nek
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