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doom-editing-digest Sunday, 6 November 1994 Volume 01 : Number 039
Re: REJECT data problem
Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
Re: New Service
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Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
Re: REJECT data problem
Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
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From: Dan Cormack <dancor@worldgate.edmonton.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:05:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: REJECT data problem
On Thu, 3 Nov 1994 Salporin@aol.com wrote:
> use REJECT, but that's where the problem arose. REJECT wouldn't compile the
> REJECT data right for some strange reason. That's where I come in. He sent
> me the level, and I tried REJECT, and it worked perfectly and now the level
I have not had any problems with rmb20 and use it for my wads.. You might
want to get a copy of it for your friend... I consider it to be the best
Reject Map Builder...
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Dan Cormack Internet dancor@worldgate.edmonton.ab.ca
DeathMatch.. The Ultimate Experience. WaD_MaN --> IRC
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From: Edward J Novitsky <enovitsk@astro.ge.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 07:50:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
> Subject: Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 11:33:24 -0800
> From: Matthew Ayres <ayres@cdrom.com>
>
> John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com> said...
> >I saw an ad some time ago in a San Diego newspaper offering a "DOOM add on kit
> >"
> >(yes using the official DOOM logo) on CD that contained "100's of add
> >on levels, secret cheat codes, and tools to make your own levels" for
> >$29.95. I happen to know that, in quantity, music CDs cost about
> >$4.00 a pop to produce (including studio recording time). Now I don't
> >know how much of that extra money is going to authors but I'd be
> >willing to guess.
> >
> >If you want details I'll have to dig but, I would be happy to do it.
>
> Walnut Creek CDROM (the company I work for), sells the "Toolkit for DOOM"
> CDROM for $19.95. It has over 7,500 files on it. Including over 550 WADs,
> ready to run from the disc. I think that's a reasonable price, eh?
>
> -Matt
>
>We deleted every WAD that said not to place it on a CD, or sell in a
>retail environment. We deleted several borderline WADs too. It's of
>course only to be on the safe side. However, I highly doubt anyone
>would really mind too much. It does distribute their work widely, and
>that's the whole idea of releasing their work anyhow.
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -Matthew Ayres, a.k.a. White Fang -Author WADED, a DOOM map editor
> -SysOp Lithium BBS, 510-455-0425 -Diagnosed with DOOMophobia, the
> -Email: ayres@cdrom.com fear of not playing DOOM enough
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I was wondering if Walnut Creek is sharing its profits with the creators of
the varios PWADs and Doom tools. If not, it seems like Walnut Creek is
taking advantage of people and their work. Most people who post work to
the Net really don't want money. They do it for others' enjoyment and
maybe a little recognition. It's a shame that a company will use people
and their work in the pursuit of money, especially to charge people
for freeware.
Ed Novitsky
enovitsk@astro.ge.com
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From: "Marco Rotelli" <mmar-a@minster.york.ac.uk>
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:54:06 +0000
Subject: Re: New Service
On Nov 4, 4:55pm in "New Service", Steve Benner wrote:
> As a service to all would-be wadsters, I'm please to announce the all-new
>
> WANNABE A WADSTER WORLD WIDE WEB PAGES!!
>
> All you've ever wanted to know about WADs and more!!
>
> Available NOW from http://cres1.lancs.ac.uk/~esasb1/doom/index.html
>
> Well, actually there's not much there, yet and none of it's new! In fact
> it's all ripped off from infant2 (when it was infant2..., sigh). These
> pages are an experimental service, offered to wadsters just setting out on
> the long road to DOOM level heaven. All suggestions for improvement or
> correction will be gratefully received - there's plenty of room for
> improvement at the moment. Please feel free to browse and criticise. (and
> if you're the author of any of the stuff I've used and object to my use of
> it, please accept my apologies in advance and let me know you want it
> removed). Eventually, it'll all be rebuilt using original and proper
> hot-linked stuff. If you have pages you'd like me to link to, then let me
> know that too. There'll be more there by Monday, I promise.
>
> -Steve
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Steve Benner
Nice idea, actually the same I had during the summer.
If you whant to get some more ideas for your web page take a look at mine.
http://www.york.ac.uk/~mmar1
And go to the doom page (you can't miss it).
It is practically the same same stuff as yours, but with HiperTex facilty,
after all that is what http was made for...
Marco "Trouble" Rotelli
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From: pbarone@rsa.hisd.harris.com (Philip Barone)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 11:28:59 -0500
Subject: [none]
who
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Philip M. Barone (Phil)
pbarone@rsa.hisd.harris.com
Phone : (407) 635-7763
FAX : (407) 635-7500
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From: Brad Spencer <spencer@ug.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:33:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, Edward J Novitsky wrote:
> I was wondering if Walnut Creek is sharing its profits with the creators of
> the varios PWADs and Doom tools. If not, it seems like Walnut Creek is
> taking advantage of people and their work. Most people who post work to
> the Net really don't want money. They do it for others' enjoyment and
> maybe a little recognition. It's a shame that a company will use people
> and their work in the pursuit of money, especially to charge people
> for freeware.
Ahhh... the American Way.....
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Brad Spencer - Bilbo - spencer@ug.cs.dal.ca - Dalhousie University
"Everybody is Kung-Fu Fragging . . ."
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From: a00563@giant.rsoft.bc.ca (Dave Kirsch)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 94 12:24:37 PST
Subject: Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
> I was wondering if Walnut Creek is sharing its profits with the creators of
> the varios PWADs and Doom tools. If not, it seems like Walnut Creek is
> taking advantage of people and their work. Most people who post work to
> the Net really don't want money. They do it for others' enjoyment and
> maybe a little recognition. It's a shame that a company will use people
> and their work in the pursuit of money, especially to charge people
> for freeware.
That's nonsense. I work for a large commerical BBS and we charge money
for acccessing the system. We make a profit, too. Does that mean I'm
charging money to allow people access to freeware?
Walnut Creek is charging you money for the _transport_ of the data.
You're being charged for the time it took them to get the stuff together,
put it on a disc and ship it to you.
> They do it for others' enjoyment and maybe a little recognition.
Putting it on a CD just makes this more so as the distribution of their
work is increased. My users are charged as they download megabytes of
stuff. I'm not charging them for the data itself, but I'm charging them
for the ability to access that data. My storage, equipment, staff and
all other costs. It's the same thing with Walnut Creek, just that the
medium is a disc instead of a modem.
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From: Paul@rbpage.demon.co.uk (Paul Griggs)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 1994 23:36:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
recently I saw a cd in the uk with lots od Doom add ons...it was only a five
(5ukp) so obviolsly not everyone is jumping on the band wagon!!
Cu all
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Paul Griggs
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From: Salporin@aol.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:45:21 -0500
Subject: Re: REJECT data problem
>> What do you mean "of course he needed to use REJECT"?
REJECT is a fast but not very good reject builder.
You should really try RMB.
(RMB v 2.0 is in the NEWSTUFF dir on infant2) <<
Sorry, I meant "he needed to use a REJECT builder." I just used REJECT
because that was the one I had sitting around. I'll try out RMB. I've heard
lots of good things about it.
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From: "D.J.S. Damerell" <djsd100@cus.cam.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 00:18:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Re: Shareware vendors profiting from DEU.
On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, Dave Kirsch wrote:
> That's nonsense. I work for a large commerical BBS and we charge money
> for acccessing the system. We make a profit, too. Does that mean I'm
> charging money to allow people access to freeware?
Yes, in a word.
> Walnut Creek is charging you money for the _transport_ of the data.
> You're being charged for the time it took them to get the stuff together,
> put it on a disc and ship it to you.
If they make a profit, that's not all you're being charged for.
David Damerell, GCV Sauricon. djsd100@cus.cam.ac.uk RL: Trinity, Cambridge
WOODHAL2.WAD on infant2. CUWoCS President. METLMAZE.WAD sometime soonish.
|___| All people's aims are unreachable, and their struggles futile. |___|
| | | When you see this true of your own aims, life becomes a vacuum. | | |
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