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doom-editing-digest Thursday, 22 December 1994 Volume 01 : Number 094
[sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
Re:Heretic
Re: [sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
Re: Heretic
Re: [sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
Heretic?
Re: your mail
Re: your mail
Re: Heretic?
ht_beta.zip
Re: Heretic?
Re: Heretic?
Re:"Damit People"
RE: Re:"Damit People"
Re: heretic B
Re: Heretic, Bitching, et al
Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
Re: heretic B
heretic beta available
Heretic Distribution
Re: heretic B -Reply
A NEW DOOM ][
Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
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From: Ian Springer <ips@eden.rutgers.edu>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:34:22 EST
Subject: [sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
> I cant get it by fTp, but i can by fSp..
>
It's sitting in ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/doom/incoming right now.
- --
Sky Golightly, Software R & D E-Mail: sky@verity.com
Verity, Inc., 1550 Plymouth Office: +1 415.960.7685
Mountain View, CA 94043-1230 Fax: +1 415.960.1421
well, that's fine and dandy, but incoming on ftp.cdrom.com does not
have write access for anonymous users...how bout uploading the beta to
the incoming directory on another site that is read and write? thanx.
i'd appreciate it very much since I've been downloading it via fsp for
the past 20 min's and it is still not done...
- --------------------------< Ian Springer (RC '98) >----------------------------
ips@eden.rutgers.edu (general) ips@remus.rutgers.edu (computer science)
ips@usacs.rutgers.edu (USACS) ips@gandalf.rutgers.edu (honors program)
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: "Kram Llens" <MSNELL@kitsune.art.rmit.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:38:50 EST-10
Subject: Re:Heretic
> > The HERETIC BETA is on our ftp site RIGHT NOW! Grab it and run! But please mak
> > e sure you email your beta report to herebeta@idsoftware.com. Thanks.
> >
And it looks great, but i cant find the fourth secret on the first
level..
Congrats ID!!!!!!!
Kram
Kram_Llens@rmit.edu.au RMIT, Melbourne, Australia
Ph (03) 660 5378 Fax (03) 660 5342
"I bought some dehydrated water, but I don't
know what to add to it" -Steven Wright
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From: sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:07:38 -0800
Subject: Re: [sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
> On Dec 20, 20:34, Ian Springer wrote:
> > I cant get it by fTp, but i can by fSp..
> >
>
> It's sitting in ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/doom/incoming right now.
>
> --
> Sky Golightly, Software R & D E-Mail: sky@verity.com
> Verity, Inc., 1550 Plymouth Office: +1 415.960.7685
> Mountain View, CA 94043-1230 Fax: +1 415.960.1421
>
> well, that's fine and dandy, but incoming on ftp.cdrom.com does not
> have write access for anonymous users...how bout uploading the beta to
^^^^^
read? [yeah, I know.]
> the incoming directory on another site that is read and write? thanx.
>
> i'd appreciate it very much since I've been downloading it via fsp for
> the past 20 min's and it is still not done...
>
> --------------------------< Ian Springer (RC '98) >----------------------------
> ips@eden.rutgers.edu (general) ips@remus.rutgers.edu (computer science)
> ips@usacs.rutgers.edu (USACS) ips@gandalf.rutgers.edu (honors program)
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- End of excerpt from Ian Springer
I'm attempting the same: 0 bytes in three hours. I've already mentioned it
to Jim Pitts...
- --
Sky Golightly, Software R & D E-Mail: sky@verity.com
Verity, Inc., 1550 Plymouth Office: +1 415.960.7685
Mountain View, CA 94043-1230 Fax: +1 415.960.1421
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From: tmunk@sdcc10.ucsd.edu (Todd Munk)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:27:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Heretic
Do you know where I can download it now by ftp? The incoming
directory won't let me download it.
Thanks, Todd.
tmunk@yin.ucsd.edu
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From: "Kram Llens" <MSNELL@kitsune.art.rmit.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:48:05 EST-10
Subject: Re: [sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 94 20:34:22 EST
> From: Ian Springer <ips@eden.rutgers.edu>
> Subject: [sky@verity.com (Sky Golightly): Re:]
> To: doom-editing@nvg.unit.no
> Reply-to: doom-editing@nvg.unit.no
> > I cant get it by fTp, but i can by fSp..
> >
>
> It's sitting in ftp.cdrom.com:/pub/doom/incoming right now.
>
> --
> Sky Golightly, Software R & D E-Mail: sky@verity.com
> Verity, Inc., 1550 Plymouth Office: +1 415.960.7685
> Mountain View, CA 94043-1230 Fax: +1 415.960.1421
>
> well, that's fine and dandy, but incoming on ftp.cdrom.com does not
> have write access for anonymous users...how bout uploading the beta to
> the incoming directory on another site that is read and write? thanx.
>
where to, and i'll do it now!
Kram
Kram_Llens@rmit.edu.au RMIT, Melbourne, Australia
Ph (03) 660 5378 Fax (03) 660 5342
"I bought some dehydrated water, but I don't
know what to add to it" -Steven Wright
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From: adu@freenet.vcu.edu (Andrew Du)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:56:08 -0500
Subject: Heretic?
Could someone please put the files somewhere other than
ftp.cdrom.com?
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From: "Hurricane/ -=[ Woo woo!! ]=-" <bhume@is.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:43:54 -0400 (AST)
Subject: Re: your mail
On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Philip Robinson wrote:
> The HERETIC BETA is on our ftp site RIGHT NOW! Grab it and run! But please mak
> e sure you email your beta report to herebeta@idsoftware.com. Thanks.
I know I'm not the first to ask this, but could someone put it on a more
accessable site? ftp.idsoftware.com is refusing connections, I can't get
FSP to compile anyways, and everyone knows the problem with ftp.cdrom.com.
I just don't want to be left out in the cold. :)
} Brandon "Hurricane" Hume {
{ bhume@is.dal.ca|Brandon.Hume@viocomm.alt.ns.ca|Hurricane@alt.tbbs.ns.ca }
} "Without honor, there can be no true victory... {
{ With honor, there is no real defeat." }
\_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_/
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From: Todd Kosloff <musculus@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 22:39:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: your mail
On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Hurricane/ -=[ Woo woo!! ]=- wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Dec 1994, Philip Robinson wrote:
>
> > The HERETIC BETA is on our ftp site RIGHT NOW! Grab it and run! But please mak
> > e sure you email your beta report to herebeta@idsoftware.com. Thanks.
>
> I know I'm not the first to ask this, but could someone put it on a more
> accessable site? ftp.idsoftware.com is refusing connections, I can't get
> FSP to compile anyways, and everyone knows the problem with ftp.cdrom.com.
>
this whole thing is getting ridiculous
someone PLEASE get heretic and put it somewhere PUBLICLY ACCESSABLE!!!
its rather frustrating staring at the file on ftp.cdrom.com, yet unable
to download it!
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From: "Kram Llens" <MSNELL@kitsune.art.rmit.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:28:20 EST-10
Subject: Re: Heretic?
>
>
> Could someone please put the files somewhere other than
> ftp.cdrom.com?
>
i just uploaded them to wuarchive.wustl.edu, in
pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/doom/HERETIC
Enjoy
Kram
Kram_Llens@rmit.edu.au RMIT, Melbourne, Australia
Ph (03) 660 5378 Fax (03) 660 5342
"I bought some dehydrated water, but I don't
know what to add to it" -Steven Wright
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From: adu@freenet.vcu.edu (Andrew Du)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:52:14 -0500
Subject: ht_beta.zip
ht_beta.zip is on wuarchive.wustl.edu under
pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/games...
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From: rrward@netcom.com (Richard Ward)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:56:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: Heretic?
Damn it, people! This mailing list is for DOOM _editing_, not for bitching
and moaning about where Heretic may or may not be gotten from. Take to
private e-mail or to the newsgroups.
Richard
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From: "Hurricane/ -=[ Woo woo!! ]=-" <bhume@is.dal.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:24:22 -0400 (AST)
Subject: Re: Heretic?
On Wed, 21 Dec 1994, Kram Llens wrote:
> i just uploaded them to wuarchive.wustl.edu, in
> pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/doom/HERETIC
I got it from a bot off IRC (I won't say which, to avoid it being flooded
off), and made several attempts to put it on ftp.uwp.edu, but NO SPACE
LEFT ON DEVICE.
I don't have that many sites, I'm afraid, but if anybody can name some
sites where it'd be immediately available I'd be happy to put it on
them. I was even considering uuencoding it and putting it on a.b.d, but I
decided I'm not that insane. :)
} Brandon "Hurricane" Hume {
{ bhume@is.dal.ca|Brandon.Hume@viocomm.alt.ns.ca|Hurricane@alt.tbbs.ns.ca }
} "Without honor, there can be no true victory... {
{ With honor, there is no real defeat." }
\_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_/
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From: chall@tcpet.uscg.mil
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 00:57:23 -0800
Subject: Re:"Damit People"
On Tue, 20 Dec 1994 20:56:42... Richard Ward wrote,
>Damn it, people! This mailing list is for DOOM _editing_, not for bitching
>and moaning about where Heretic may or may not be gotten from. Take to
>private e-mail or to the newsgroups.
Chill out dude... people can say what they want to and you can do little to
stop them. : (
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From: d.casali.rea0808@oasis.icl.co.uk
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 10:41:41 GMT
Subject: RE: Re:"Damit People"
There really are some highly strung individuals on this list.
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From: tom@vmark.com (Tom Rauschenbach)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:14:21 +22318116 (EST)
Subject: Re: heretic B
According to Kram Llens:
>
>> From finger of johnr@idsoftware.com:
>>
>> ---begin insert-----------------
>>
>> Login name: johnr In real life: John Romero
>> Directory: /cthulhu/Users/johnr Shell: /bin/csh
>> Last login Tue Dec 20 15:22 on ttyp0 from idtokay
>> Plan:
>> LATEST NEWS:
>>
>> The HERETIC BETA is on our ftp site RIGHT NOW! Grab it and run! But please mak
>> e sure you email your beta report to herebeta@idsoftware.com. Thanks.
>>
>> ---end insert------------------
>>
>> It is really there in the /new directory
>>
>> -rw-rw-rw- 1 nobody 648 Jan 21 03:25 ht_beta.txt
>> -rw-rw-rw- 1 nobody 2453342 Jan 21 03:26 ht_beta.zip
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Phil Robinson, Dual Inc., Houston, TX
>> Phone: (713)333-7034, Fax: (713)333-6908
>> E-Mail: robinson@euler.jsc.nasa.gov
>>
>>
>I cant get it by fTp, but i can by fSp..
>
>Kram.
>Kram_Llens@rmit.edu.au RMIT, Melbourne, Australia
>Ph (03) 660 5378 Fax (03) 660 5342
>"I bought some dehydrated water, but I don't
>know what to add to it" -Steven Wright
>
What's the site address !!??!??!
- --
Tom Rauschenbach Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon
loaded with tapes.
tom@vmark.com
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From: cmacord@fedex.com (Charlie Acord)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 09:33:12 -0600
Subject: Re: Heretic, Bitching, et al
>Damn it, people! This mailing list is for DOOM _editing_, not for bitching
>and moaning about where Heretic may or may not be gotten from. Take to
>private e-mail or to the newsgroups.
>
>Richard
Yeah, but I find it both refreshing and reassuring that this bunch of
mature, experienced, level-headed (pun?) "advanced DOOM editors" goes nuts
just like everybody else when a "new DOOM" comes available.
Charlie
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From: "Hurricane/ -=[ Woo woo!! ]=-" <bhume@is.dal.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 12:01:51 -0400 (AST)
Subject: Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
On Wed, 21 Dec 1994 chall@tcpet.uscg.mil wrote:
> >Damn it, people! This mailing list is for DOOM _editing_, not for bitching
> >and moaning about where Heretic may or may not be gotten from. Take to
> >private e-mail or to the newsgroups.
>
> Chill out dude... people can say what they want to and you can do little to
> stop them. : (
He's right though. The list should get back on topic.
OK, if anybody is still looking for Heretic, mail ME. I've got a list of
sites, and a good copy online if worse comes to worse. I'd also
appreciate some more sites to put it on to lessen the overall load.
Mail any questions to ME directly.
This is just wishful thinking, but hopefully this can be the last post on
this subject.
} Brandon "Hurricane" Hume {
{ bhume@is.dal.ca|Brandon.Hume@viocomm.alt.ns.ca|Hurricane@alt.tbbs.ns.ca }
} "Without honor, there can be no true victory... {
{ With honor, there is no real defeat." }
\_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_/
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From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:05:11 -0500
Subject: Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
> Date: 21-Dec-94 11:01:51 -0500
> From: bhume@is.dal.ca (Hurricane/ -=[Woo woo!!]=-)
> To: doom-editing@nvg.unit.no
> Reply-to: doom-editing@nvg.unit.no
> Subject: Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
> From: "Hurricane/ -=[ Woo woo!! ]=-" <bhume@is.dal.ca>
> Reply-To: doom-editing@nvg.unit.no
>
> On Wed, 21 Dec 1994 chall@tcpet.uscg.mil wrote:
>
> > >Damn it, people! This mailing list is for DOOM _editing_, not for bitching
> > >and moaning about where Heretic may or may not be gotten from. Take to
> > >private e-mail or to the newsgroups.
> >
> > Chill out dude... people can say what they want to and you can do little to
> > stop them. : (
>
> He's right though. The list should get back on topic.
>
> OK, if anybody is still looking for Heretic, mail ME. I've got a list of
> sites, and a good copy online if worse comes to worse. I'd also
> appreciate some more sites to put it on to lessen the overall load.
> Mail any questions to ME directly.
>
> This is just wishful thinking, but hopefully this can be the last post on
> this subject.
>
> } Brandon "Hurricane" Hume {
> { bhume@is.dal.ca|Brandon.Hume@viocomm.alt.ns.ca|Hurricane@alt.tbbs.ns.ca }
> } "Without honor, there can be no true victory... {
> { With honor, there is no real defeat." }
> \_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_=_/
>
>
Ya know, I'm taking a stroll through HERETIC and I am realizing that
it is an excellent example of DOOM editing. So I disagree with
anyone who says that discussion of HERETIC should stop. I do not
feel that we should be discussing game play or availability etc. but
one could learn a lot about level design by looking closely at this
game. The asthetics are marvelous.
By the way, the fourth secret is a small room behind the secret door
in southeast corner of the room you start in. ;)
Have a nice day,
John
__________________________________________________________
John Wakelin | johnw@datametrics.com
Datametrics Systems Corp. | Ph. 703 385 7700 x341
12150 East Monument Dr. Ste 300 | Fax 703 385 7711
Fairfax, VA. 22033 USA |
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From: Chad Cook <CLCOOK@HCACAD.HOLYCROSS.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 13:16:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: heretic B
it's at ftp.uwp.edu, under pub/incoming/games/ht*.* but the file size on the
zip file is incorrect... is it going to get reloaded?
Chad
clcook@hcacad.holycross.edu
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From: Robert Forsman <thoth@cis.ufl.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 14:24:48 EST
Subject: heretic beta available
I have grabbed heretic from wuarchive and put it on ftp.cis.ufl.edu in
pub/staff/thoth/doom/contrib/
I just hope the sysadmins don't clobber the ftp machine while they're
doing winter-break maintenance.
HERETIC BETA!!!!
Released: Dec. 20 1994
Here is the 3-level only beta release of HERETIC shareware. The entire
shareware version should be available Friday, Dec. 23 1994. If you find
ANY BUGS with this 3-level beta, please email your bug report to:
herebeta@idsoftware.com
This email account will be removed on Friday, so get your bugs in as
soon as you can! Just unzip this file to your hard drive, then type
'install' and you're set.
Make sure you try the other utilities associated with HERETIC:
SETUP, DM, IPXSETUP and SERSETUP.
Thank you for your participation in this bug hunt. :D
John Romero
id Software, inc.
So, perhaps I will release a Heretic editor after I get back from spring
break :)
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From: SYMBOL@ix.netcom.com (Jim Lowell)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 11:41:51 -0800
Subject: Heretic Distribution
Could you send me a copy of the FTP site list?
Thanks,
Jim
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From: Wade Williams <wwilliams@mail.state.tn.us>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:40:38 -0600
Subject: Re: heretic B -Reply
>>> Chad Cook <CLCOOK@HCACAD.HOLYCROSS.EDU> 12/21/94 11:16am >>>
it's at ftp.uwp.edu, under pub/incoming/games/ht*.* but the file size on
the zip file is incorrect... is it going to get reloaded?
Chad clcook@hcacad.holycross.edu
<<<<<<<
It's at noc.state.tn.us in /pub/HT_BETA. Feel free to get it, but be
forwarned that if my utilization goes to high, I'll remove it.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wade Williams "Any escape might help to smooth
Telecommunications Consultant the unattractive truth, but the
State of Tennessee suburbs have no charms to soothe
(615) 741-8678 the restless dreams of youth."
wwilliams@mail.state.tn.us -Neil Peart of Rush
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From: chall@tcpet.uscg.mil
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:58:35 -0800
Subject: A NEW DOOM ][
This is a message for everyone, editors, Id software programmers, etc...
Heritic is a mainly a reversed engineered doom2.exe file. Would it
be possible to make a doom2.exe that would allow the player to look up and
down? Also, some of the newer Doom-like games are allowing two rooms to be
on top of one another.. Will the full version of Heritic be able to do this,
and will there ever be a Doom][ or patch for Doom][ to allow this?
------------------------------
From: D Chambers <sb@nic.scruz.net>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 14:28:09 PST
Subject: Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
>Message-ID: <936BF82E81541273@datametrics.com>
>Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:05:11 -0500
>From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
>
>Ya know, I'm taking a stroll through HERETIC and I am realizing that
>it is an excellent example of DOOM editing. So I disagree with
>anyone who says that discussion of HERETIC should stop. I do not
>feel that we should be discussing game play or availability etc. but
>one could learn a lot about level design by looking closely at this
>game. The asthetics are marvelous.
I had a few minutes before work to check it out... nice sprites...
Later I will look at the wad file and mabe (shudder) the exe. Is the
Wad format supposed to be the same as for DOOM/DOOM ][ ??
>
>By the way, the fourth secret is a small room behind the secret door
>in southeast corner of the room you start in. ;)
>
Thanks :)
- -----------
Darrin Chambers
Somewhere just north of San Jose, CA, USA
You know... wherever you go... there you are!
sb@scruznet.com
alternate: 70334.1312@CompuServe.COM
/////////////////////////////////////////////
12/21/94 at 14:28:09 local time
------------------------------
From: John Wakelin <johnw@datametrics.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 19:43:58 -0500
Subject: Re:"Damit People", Heretic Distribution
> I had a few minutes before work to check it out... nice sprites...
> Later I will look at the wad file and mabe (shudder) the exe. Is the
> Wad format supposed to be the same as for DOOM/DOOM ][ ??
I don't think it can be, there will have to be some indication of
water depth and current direction (and perhaps speed?).
As far as I can tell from these three levels, however, there doesn't
seem to be much more differnt than that, I mean structure-wise of
course. Bet any of us who have been doing this for a while could
build something pretty close to it, (in a couple of months...er or
so) if we really tried.
> -----------
> Darrin Chambers
John
__________________________________________________________
John Wakelin | johnw@datametrics.com
Datametrics Systems Corp. | Ph. 703 385 7700 x341
12150 East Monument Dr. Ste 300 | Fax 703 385 7711
Fairfax, VA. 22033 USA |
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