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HOMEBREW Digest #683 Fri 19 July 1991
FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator
Contents:
Irish Ale (GARY MASON 16-Jul-1991 1413)
re: Water, water everywhere... (Darryl Richman)
What light spectrum effects beer? (GC Woods)
Re: Brewing software (Darryl Richman)
Yeasts (Alec Jessiman)
Watermelon Beer (Ron Karwoski)
Microbreweries and Brewpubs (Greg Pryzby)
Teleford's DME (Patrick_Waara.WBST129)
Water, water everywhere... (Ken Schriner)
Brewing with Well Water (Rick Myers)
Muddy runoffs (BAUGHMANKR)
HBD Posting (Tom Bower)
brew kettles (Brian Bliss)
ginger, aphids (Bill Crick)
MEV Research (Bill Crick)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 10:47:47 EDT
From: GARY MASON 16-Jul-1991 1413 <mason@habs11.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject: Irish Ale
Does anyone have a recipe (or two, or three, or...) for an Irish Ale? If
so, would you be good enough to post it? Also, other than the AHA
definition, does anyone have a good description of what one of these is?
Thanks...Gary
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 07:54:16 -0700
From: darryl@ism.isc.com (Darryl Richman)
Subject: re: Water, water everywhere...
I've never had to deal with either sulfur or iron in my water. But you
ought to get a copy of the transcripts from this year's AHA conference;
they should be out by the end of the year. Greg Noonan gave a very
informative demonstration on testing water, including using a set of
inexpensive test kits to determine the make up of your water. I'm
sure that all the details will be included in the transcripts.
--Darryl Richman
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Date: 18 Jul 91 11:49:00 EDT (Thu)
From: GC Woods <gcw@garage.att.com>
Subject: What light spectrum effects beer?
I've been wondering, what part of the light spectrum effects the hops in
beer. Does fluorescent or indirect sunlight contain this part of the
light spectrum.
Also for the NYC area HBD folks the "Zip City Brewpub" will be opening
around the end of August (their estimate). The address is 3 West 18th
Street (NYC) and phone # is 212-366-6333.
Geoff
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 07:46:27 -0700
From: darryl@ism.isc.com (Darryl Richman)
Subject: Re: Brewing software
> This is a great idea. Has anyone done this in a more portable fashion
> like for a spreasdsheet (e.g. 123 , Excel) or even in C? I was
> planning on getting around to writing it someday, but hopefully
> someone has beaten me to it. Thanks.
The Brewer's Worksheet is available from the various archives and is an
Excel spreadsheet I wrote to do recipe formulation work. It will
assist in devising water treatment, beer color and original gravity,
and hop bitterness. It has a lookup table for malts and adjuncts that
can be expanded if I forgot something that you want to use. The water
treatment calculator takes entries of water salts and determines total
ppm from a base water you supply (from a water report). If you also
supply the ion concentrations of a target water, it will give you the
differences and a % difference to assist in getting the overall profile
correct. It also lets you select what units you want to work with
throughout the process (e.g., you can work in pounds or kgs, ounces or
grams, gallons or liters, and so on). A brewer over on CompuServe, Art
Steinmetz, uploaded a version that had been translated to 1-2-3 on the
PC (sorry, I don't have a copy--would someone be willing to download
it and send it over to aem?).
The manual you get with The Brewer's Worksheet implies that this is a
commercial product. I had thought about selling it, but decided that
polishing a spreadsheet template was more work than it was worth, so it
really is free.
I am working on a for-sale formulator/batch logger called The Brewer's
Planner. This is written in C and the first version will be for the
Mac. It should be available in the September time frame (look for an
ad in the Fall Zymurgy). I demoed a prototype of it at the NH
Conference, and a lot of people seemed pretty interested. I anticipate
that I'll sell it for $50, to keep it affordable. I hope to release
one for the PC early next year. (If this is too commercial, somebody
tell me and I'll shut up. ;-)
Other folks are doing similar things. I know that larryba up in
Seattle is working on a formulator written in Visual Basic, and Doug
Henderson has a HyperCard stack with some interesting heuristics for
automatically determining water treatment.
--Darryl Richman
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:15:58 EDT
From: jessiman@kepler.harvard.edu (Alec Jessiman)
Subject: Yeasts
Hi-
What is the difference between an attenuative yeast and an unattenuative
one?
Thanks,
Alec
Alec Jessiman jessiman@kepler.harvard.edu
Harvard University Division of Applied Sciences
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"I...take my hangovers as a consequence, not as a punishment" -Steinbeck
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:06:42 CDT
From: rak@mayo.EDU (Ron Karwoski)
Subject: Watermelon Beer
I was reading the newspaper last night and I read a trivia piece that
said the Russians make a beer from watermelon juice. This sounded timely
and interesting though I can't imagine a Watermelon Stout. Is there anyone
out there who has ever used watermelon juice in making beer and could
provide some details?
Thanks,
Ron Karwoski rak@bru.mayo.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 10:45:36 EDT
From: neptune!pryzby@uunet.UU.NET (Greg Pryzby)
Subject: Microbreweries and Brewpubs
The following list is available for free from AHA. It is compiled by
Institute for Brewing Studies. Typos are most likely mine.
Updated 3/1/91
MB - microbrewery
BP - brewpub
* denotes MB which also has a BP on premises
ALASKA
MB Alaskan Brewing and Bottling Co.
Juneau
Yukon Berwing and Bottling Co.
Anchorage
ARIZONA
MB Crazy Ed's Black Mountain Brewing Co.
Cave Creek
Electric Dave Brewery
Bisbee
BP Barley's Brew Pub
Phoenix
Christopher Joseph Brewing Co./
Bandersnatch Brewpub
Tempe
Hops Brewing Co.
Scottsdale
San Francisco Bar and Grill Brewpub
Tuscon
CALIFORNIA
MB Alpine Village Hofbrau
Torrance
Anderson Valley Brewing Co *
Boonville
Angeles Brewing Co
Chatsworth
Central Coast Brewing Co.
San Luis Obispo
Devil Mountain Brewery/Bay Brewing Co.
Benicia
Etna Brewing Co.
Etna
Firestone Brewing Co.
Los Olivos
Golden Pacific Brewing Co.
Emeryville
J&L Brewing Co.
San Rafael
Lind Brewing Co.
San Leandro
Los Angeles Brewing Co./Eureka
Restaurant and Brewery *
Los Angeles
Mad River Brewing Co.
Blue Lake
Mendocino Brewing Co. *
Hopland
Nevada City Brewing Co.
Nevada City
North Coast Brewing Co. *
Ft. Bragg
Obispo Brewing Co.
San Luis Obispo
St Stan's Brewery, Pub and Restaurant *
Modesto
San Andreas Brewing Co. *
Hollister
Sierra Nevada Brewing Co./Sierra Nevada
Taproom and Restaurant *
Chico
BP Back Alley Brewery and Bistro
Davis
Belmont Brewing Co.
Long Beach
Bison Brewing Co.
Berkely
Boulder Creek Brewing Co.
Boulder Creek
Brewhouse Grill, Mammoth Lakes
Mammoth Lakes
Brewhouse Grill, Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara
Brewpub on the Green
Fremont
Brown Street Brewing Co.
Napa
Buffalo Bill's Brewery
Hayward
Butterfield Brewery
Fresno
Callahan's Pub and Brewery
San Diego
Crown City Brewery
Pasadena
Dead Cat Alley Brewery
Woodland
Fullerton Hofbrau
Fullerton
Gordon Biersch Brewing Co. (#1)
Palo Alto
Gordon Biersch Brewing Co. (#2)
San Jose
Gorky's Cafe and Brewery
Los Angeles
Heritage Brewing Co.
Dana Point
Hogshead Brewpub
Sacramento
Humboldt Brewery
Arcata
Huttenhain's Benicia Brewpub
Benicia
Kelmers Brewhouse
Santa Rosa
La Jolla Brewing Co.
La Jolla
Lost Coast Brewing Co.
Eureka
Marin Brewing Co.
Larkspur
Monterey Brewing Co.
Monterey
Mt. Konocti Brewing Co.
Lakeport
Napa Valley Brewing Co./ Calistoga Inn
Calistoga
Okie Girl Brewery (formerly Grapevine Bry.)
Lebec
Karl Strauss' Old Columbia Berwery and Grill
San Diego
Pacific Coast Brewing Co.
Oakland
Red Kettle Fishery and Brewery
Encinitas
Rubicon Brewing Co.
Sacramento
San Francisco Brewing Co.
San Francisco
Santa Cruz Brewing Co. and Front Street Pub
Santa Cruz
Seabright Brewery
Santa Cruz
Sherwood Brewing Co.
Chico
Shields Brewing Co.
Downtown Ventura
SLO Brewing Co.
San Luis Obispo
Sudwerk Privatbrauerei Hubsch
Davis
Tied House Cafe and Brewery
Mountain View
Triple Rock Brewing Co.
Berkeley
Truckee Brewing Co./Pizza Junction
Truckee
Twenty Tank Brewery
San Francisco
Willett's Brewery
Napa
Winchester Brewing Co.
San Jose
COLORADO
MB Boulder Brewing Co. *
Boulder
Durango Brewing Co.
Durango
Odell Brewing Co.
Ft. Collins
BP Antlers Double Tree Hotel/Judge Baldwin's Brewing Co.
Colorado Springs
Breckenridge Brewery and Pub
Breckenbridge
Carver Brewing CO.
Durango
CooperSmith's Pub and Brewing
Ft Collins
The Hubcap Brewery and Kitchen
Vail
The Idle Spur Crested Butte Brewery and Restaurant
Crested Butte
Old Colorado Brewing Co.
Ft. Collins
Walnut Brewery
Boulder
Wynkoop Brewery Co.
Denver
CONNECTICUT
MB Charter Oak Brewing Co.
Bristol
New England Brewing Co.
Norwalk
New Haven Brewing Co.
New Haven
FLORIDA
BP Florida Brewing Co./Miami Garlic Grill and Brewpub
Miami
Hops Grill and Bar (#1)
Clearwater
Hops Grill and Bar (#2)
Tampa
Kidder's Ale House
Ft. Meyers
Market Street Pub
Gainsville
McGuire's Irish Pub and Brewery
Pensacola
Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#1)
Gainsville
Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#2)
Tallahassee
Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#3)
Winter Park
River Walk Brewery
Ft. Lauderdale
Sarasota Brewing Co.
Sarasota
Tampa Bay Brewing Co.
Tampa
GEORGIA
MB Friends Brewing Co./Helenboch Brewery
Helen
HAWAII
MB Honolulu Brewing Co.
Honolulu
IDAHO
MB Coeur D'Alene Brewing Co./T.W. Fisher's
"A Brewpub" *
Coeur D'Alene
Snake River Brewing Co.
Caldwell
ILLINOIS
MB Chicago Brewing Co.
Chicago
Pavichevich Brewing Co.
Elmhurst
BP Berghoff Brewery and Restaurant
Chicago
Chief's Brewing Co.
Champaign
Goose Island Brewing Co.
Chicago
Tap and Growler
Chicago
Weinkeller Brewery
Berwyn
INDIANA
MB Indianapolis Brewing Co.
Indianapolis
BP Broad Ripple Brewing Co.
Indianapolis
IOWA
MB Millstream Brewing Co.
Amana
BP Fitzpatrick's Brewing CO.
Iowa City
KANSAS
BP Free State Brewing Co.
Lawrence
KENTUCKY
MB Oldenberg Brewery *
Fort Mitchell
LOUISIANA
MB Abita Brewing Co.
Abita Springs
BP Crescent City Brewhouse
New Orleans
Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#4)
Baton Rouge
MAINE
MB D.L. Geary Brewing Co.
Portland
BP Gritty McDuff's
Portland
MARYLAND
MB British Brewing Co.
Glen Burnie
Wild Goose Brewery
Cambridge
BP Baltimore Brewing Co.
Baltimore
Sisson's Rest/South Baltimore Brewing Co.
Baltimore
MASSACHUSETTS
MB Boston Beer Co.
Boston
Mass. Bay Brewing Co.
Boston
BP Cambridge Brewing Co.
Boston
Commonwealth Brewing Co.
Boston
Northhampton Brewery at Brewster Court Bar
and Grill
Northhampton
MICHIGAN
MB Frankenmuth Brewery
Frankenmuth
Kalamazoo Brewing Co.
Kalamazoo
MINNESOTA
MB James Page Brewing Co.
Minneapolis
Summit Brewing Co.
St. Paul
BP Sherlock's Home
Minnetonka
MISSOURI
MB Boulevard Brewing Co.
Kansas City
MONTANA
MB Bayern Brewing Inc. *
Missoula
Great Northern Brewing
Columbia Falls
Montana Beverage Ltd.
Helena
NEBRASKA
BP Union Brewery Co.
Virginia City
NEW JERSEY
MB Clement Brewing Co.
Vernon
NEW MEXICO
MB Manzano Mountain Brewing Co.
Tijeras
Santa Fe Brewing Co.
Galisteo
BP Embudo Station/Preston Brewery/Sangre
de Cristo Brewing Co.
Embudo
NEW YORK
MB Buffalo Brewing Co./Abbott Square
Buffalo
BP Buffalo Brewpub
Williamsville
Chapter House Brewpub
Ithaca
Manhattan Brewing Co.
New York
Rochester Brewpub
Rochester
NORTH CAROLINA
BP Dilworth Brewing Co.
Charlotte
Greenshields Pub and Brewery
Raleigh
Loggerhead Brewing Co.
Greensboro
Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#5)
Charlotte
Weeping Radish Restaurant & Brewery (#1)
Manteo
Weeping Radish Restaurant & Brewery (#2)
Durham
OHIO
MB Columbus Brewing Co.
Columbus
BP Great Lakes Berwing Co.
Cleveland
Abbie's Landing (fomerly Growlers Grill & Bry)
Dayton
Hoster Brewing Co.
Columbus
Melbourne's Brewing Co.
Strongsville
OREGON
MB Bridgeport Brewing Co. & Public House *
Portland
Deschutes Brewery and Public House *
Bend
Edgefield Manor
Troutdale
Hood River Brewing Co.
Hood River
Oregon Brewing Co./Bay Front Brewery and
Public House *
Newport
Oregon Trail Brewery
Corvallis
Portland Brewing Co. *
Portland
Widmer Brewing Co. (#1)
Portland
Widmer Brewing Co. (#2)
Portland
BP
Cornelius Pass Roadhouse and Brewery
Hillsboro
Fulton Pub and Brewery
Portland
High Street Pub
Eugene
Highland Pub and Brewery
Gresham
Hillsdale Brewery and Public House
Portland
Lighthouse Brew-Pub
Lincoln City
McMenamin's
Beaverton
Oak Hills Brewpub
Portland
Pizza Deli and Brewery
Cave Junction
Roger's Zoo
North Bend
Rogue River Brewing Co.
Ashland
Steelhead Brewing Co.
Eugene
Thompson Brewery and Public House
Salem
Williamette Brewing Co.
Salem
PENNSYLVANIA
MB Stoudt Brewery
Adamstown
BP Dock St. Brewing Co. Brewery & Restaurant
Philadelphia
Happy Valley Brewery
State College
Pennsylvania Brewing Co./Allegheny Brewery & Pub
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia Brewing Co./Samuel Adams Brewhouse
Philadelphia
TENNESSEE
MB Bohannon Brewing Co.
Nashville
TEXAS
MB Dallas Brewing Co.
Dallas
UTAH
MB Schirf Brewing Co./Wasatch Brew Pub *
Park City
BP Eddie McStiff's
Moab
Salt Lake Brewing Co./Squatter's Brewpub
Salt Lake City
VERMONT
MB Catamount Brewing Co.
White River Junction
Otter Creek Brewing Co.
Middlebury
The Mountain Brewers Inc.
Bridgewater
BP Dewey's Ale House
Brattleboro
The Vermont Pub and Brewery of Burlington
Burlington
VIRGINIA
MB Old Dominion Brewing Co.
Ashburn
Virginia Brewing Co.
Virginia Beach
BP The Blue Muse
Roanoke
Blue Ridge Brewing Co.
Charlottesville
19th Street Brewery
Virginia Beach
WASHINGTON
MB Hale's Ales Ltd (#1)
Colville
Hale's Ales Ltd (#2)
Kirkland
Hart Brewing Co.
Kalama
Maritime Pacific Brewing Co.
Seattle
Pike Place Brewery
Seattle
Redhook Ale Brewery *
Seattle
Roslyn Brewing Co.
Roslyn
Thomas Kemper Brewing Co. *
Poulsbo
Yakima Brewing and Malting Co. *
Yakima
BP Big Time Brewing Co.
Seattle
Duwamps Cafe/Seattle Brewing Co.
Seattle
Fort Spokane Brewery
Spokane
Noggins Westlake Brewpub
Seattle
Pacific Northwest Brewing Co.
Seattle
WISCONSIN
MB Capital Brewery *
Middleton
Fox Classic Brewing Co.
Appleton
Lakefront Brewery
Milwaukee
Sprecher Brewing Co.
Milwaukee
BP Appleton Brewing Co./Dos Bandidos Brew
Pub/Skyline House
Appleton
The Brewmaster's Pub
Kenosha
Cherryland Brewing Co.
Sturgeon Bay
Rowland's Calumet Brewery and Brewpub
Chilton
Water Street Brewery
Milwaukee
WYOMING
MB Otto Brothers' Brewing Co.
Jackson
ALBERTA
MB Big Rock Brewery
Calgary
Strathcona Brewing Co.
Edmonton
BP Boccalino Pasta Bistro
Edmonton
Brewsters Brewpub and Brasserie (#2)
Calgary
BRITISH COLUMBIA
MB Granville Island Brewing Co.
Vancouver
Horseshoe Bay Brewing Co.
Horseshoe Bay
Okanagan Spring Brewery
Vernon
Shaftebury Brewing Co.
Vancouver
Sunshine Coast Brewers
Sechelt
Vancouver Island Brewing Co.
Victoria
Whistler Brewing Co.
Wistler
BP Leeward Neighbourhood Pub
Comox
Prairie Inn Cottage Brewery
Saanichton
Spinnakers Brewpub
Victoria
Swan's Brewpub/Buckerfield's Brewery
Victoria
NEW BRUNSWICK
MB Bavarian Specialties(Canada)/Hans Haus
Brewery
Riverview
NOVA SCOTIA
BP Granite Brewery
Halifax
ONTARIO
MB Bixel Brewing Co.
Brantford
Creemore Springs Brewery
Creemore
Niagara Falls Brewing Co.
Niagara Falls
The Northern Algonquin Brewing Co.
Markham
The Upper Canada Brewing Co.
Toronto
Wellington County Brewery
Guelph
York Brewery
Brampton
BP Amsterdam Brasserie and Brewpub
Toronto
Blue Anchor Brewery
Orillia
CC's Brew Pub
Mississauga
CEEPS Barney's Ltd.
London
Charley's Tavern
Windsor
Denison's Brewing Co./Growler's Restaurant
Toronto
Diamond Hill Brew Pub
Richmond Hill
Flying Dutchman Hotel/Lighthouse Brewpub
Bowmanville
Heidelberg Restaurant and Brewery
Heidelberg
Jolly Friar Brasserie and Brewpub
Sault Saint Marie
Kingston Brewing Co.
Kingston
Kirkland Lake Bavarian Inn/Bernie's Brew Pub
Kirkland Lake
The Lion Brewery and Museum
Waterloo
Luxembourg Brewpub
Mississauga
Madawaska Tavern
Arnprior
Marconi's Steak and Pasta House
Etobicoke
Mash McCann's
London
Master's Brasserie and Brewpub
Ottawa
Port Arthur Brasseries and Brewpub
Thunder Bay
Queen's Inn/Taylor and Bate Ltd.
Stratford
Rotterdam Brewing Co.
Toronto
Tapsters Brewhouse
Mississauga
Tracks Brewpub (formerly Houston Track)
Brampton
Union Station Brewpub
Markham
Winchester Arms
Mississauga
QUEBEC
MB Brasal Brasserie Allemande
Lasalle
Les Brasseurs G.M.T.
Montreal
Massawippi Brewing Co.
Lennoxville
Brasserie McAuslan
Montreal
Les Brasseurs du Nord
St. Jerome
La Brasserie Portneuvoise
St. Casimir
BP La Cervoise
Montreal
Le Cheval Blanc
Montreal
Crocodile Club
Montreal
Crocodile Club St. Laurent
Montreal
Golden Lion Brewing Co.
Lennoxville
L'Inox
Quebec City
Mon Village Brewery
Hudson
SASKATCHEWAN
BP Barley Mill Brewpub
Regina
Brewsters Brewpub amd Brasserie
Regina
Bushwakker Brewing Co.
Regina
Cheers Roadhouse/Saskatoon Brewing Co.
Saskatoon
Clark's Crossing Brewpub
Saskatoon
Miner's Brewpub and Eatery
Saskatoon
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 13:37:30 PDT
From: Patrick_Waara.WBST129@xerox.com
Subject: Teleford's DME
Has anyone noticed a difference in the Teleford's dry malt extract lately? I
used to use it exclusively, because it's good malt and was significantly
cheaper than the syrup, but for a time I was unable to get it from my local
supplier. He now has it again, but it looks very different than it used to.
Teleford's used to have a crystaline quality to it; i.e., light used to shine
off the facets in the malt. Now it is a very fine, dull powder much like
American Eagle dry. Have they changed the way they malt their grains? Are
they still using two-row malt or have they started using the 6-row stuff? I
haven't had an opportunity to try the new Teleford's, so I can't tell whether
it tastes the same or not. Anyone?
~Pat
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:34:06 CDT
From: Ken Schriner <KS06054@UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU>
Subject: Water, water everywhere...
On Wed, 17 Jul 91 16:11:58 EDT Tom Dimock said:
>I have some water questions for y'all. I live in the country, and have
... (paraphrasing) ... "bad water"
I too live in the country, and my water is not that great, particularly
in the summer when the well is a little low, or in the spring, when the
well is a little high. I solved this problem by buying my water at the
store. I buy the cheapest water I can find, usually about $2.50 for
five gallons of water. It usually states on the label that it is
water from the Little Rock municipal water supply. (I think that means
they treat the water from the Arkansas River.) It has made a big
improvement in my beer. In fact, the large improvement for $2.50
convinced me to spend another couple of bucks per batch on liquid
yeast. Easily the two biggest improvements to my beer.
Ken Schriner (501) 575-2905 BITNET : ks06054@uafsysb
U of A, Computing Services Internet : ks06054@uafsysb.uark.edu
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:57:09 MDT
From: Rick Myers <fc.hp.com!hp-lsd!hpctdpe!rcm@hpfcla>
Subject: Brewing with Well Water
Full-Name: Rick Myers
> I have some water questions for y'all. I live in the country, and have
> two wells. Well A has hard water, with enough iron to turn my particle
> filter red in two months. Well B is also hard, and has enough sulphur
> to turn its particle filter black in two months. My brewing choices are
> well a, well B straight, or well B softened by a water softener. What
> should I do? I have heard that iron is toxic to yeast - is that true,
> and if so is there a reasonable way to remove it?
I have been using well water with a high iron content for over a year
with no ill effects to my beer, that I can notice. My water has a
distinctive odor to it, and I don't care to drink it straight out of the
tap. I had often wondered what it was doing to my beer, if anything, so
I tried an experiment. I hauled Colorado Springs city water (quite good,
actually) home in 6 gallon jugs and used it to make my beer. I made 3
batches with city water, and discovered that it made absolutely no
discernable difference in taste whether I used my well water or city water.
Note that some styles of beer need softer or harder water than other styles,
but I haven't been able to notice any difference when I make the same beer
with my hard well water or the soft city water.
Why don't you make a batch from each well using the same recipe for
comparison purposes and then let us know how they turn out?
Rick
- --
Rick Myers rcm@col.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard
Colorado Telecommunications Division
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 18:28 EST
From: BAUGHMANKR@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Subject: Muddy runoffs
>From: bliss@csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss)
>Well, on monday I tried to make my second all-grain batch,
>and indeed, sparging is my low point. I recirculated for
>a half hour, and it never ran clear.
>What I finally did was just let the runooff sit for
>3 hours in a fermenter, and all the husks settled to
>the bottom 3/4". This worked great!
It probably did but all-grain brewing is long enough without
adding an extra three hours to it.
-Stuff Deleted-
>Next time I'll try 6-row lager malt (I think the 2-row
>malt, with the finer husks is the culprit), and stick a
>grain bag in the sparge bucket.
AH HA!! If (and I'm not sure from your posting) you were just
letting the sparge water run free through the spigot on your
lauter tun, it's no wonder it never ran clear. By all means
use a sparging bag or some other type of straining mechanism
to strain out the husks.
Don't give up on the 2 row just yet. 6-row requires a step
mash, is more complicated and difficult to work with, and
as far as I can tell, doesn't taste any better, anyway.
(Is that the sound of rushing flames coming up behind me?) :-)
>If I still have to resort
>to letting the runoff settle, It will become part of
>my standard technique.
Let's hope not. Bear down on the straining of the husks from
the sparge water. It really sounds like this is the source
of your problem.
Cheers,
Kinney Baughman | Beer is my business and
baughmankr@conrad.appstate.edu | I'm late for work.
P.S.
Just who is Darryl Richman, anyway ? :-)
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:37:27 PDT
From: Tom Bower <bower@hprnlme1.rose.hp.com>
Subject: HBD Posting
Full-Name: Tom Bower
Two items for my first posting:
1.) Water Analysis. When I moved into my latest house I requested a water
analysis from the local water agency. The documentation they sent me was
skimpy and lacked detail. It just didn't have the information I wanted in
order to understand my brewmaking water. Then, one day while wandering
through the local Sears I came upon their water-filter/softener department,
and found that they offer a FREE water analysis service. It works like this:
You think you may want to purchase a water filter or softener. You pick up
from Sears a little plastic sample bottle and postage-prepaid envelope. You
take it home, fill it with water from your preferred brewmaking water faucet,
close it, bag it and mail it off. A couple weeks later you get a nice, big
fat report - your free water analysis! (The first step in the above process
is optional. :)
2.) Calculating the temperature to cool the wort to. In making an extract
beer, my brewpot usually boils about 3 gallons. Therefore I need to top off
my primary fermenter with 2-2.5 gallons of water before pitching the yeast.
Since the temperature of my top-off water is usually not proper pitching
temperature and my goal is to cool the 3 gallons of hot wort down to the
point where I can add the top-off water and pitch the yeast immediately,
I want to be able to calculate the proper temperature to cool the wort to
(using my immersion chiller) such that the resulting mix ends up being a
good pitching temperature.
If one assumes that all the liquids involved have the properties of plain
water (the properties invoved are density and specific heat) then the for-
mula for the temperature to cool the wort to is:
Top-off Volume
Temp.wort = Temp.pitching + ----------------- (Temp.pitching - Temp.top-off)
Hot Wort Volume
But as we all know, the density of wort is somewhat higher than water, and
the specific heat is probably somewhat different as well.
Right now I'm trying to work through some numbers to see if the likely dif-
ferences are going to make more than a few degrees' difference in the outcome,
but I'm curious as to whether others have attempted to do this.
Of course, the other option is to make sure my top-off water is heated to
a good pitching temperature to begin with; then I just cool the hot wort to
match and not worry.
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Tom Bower, HP RND R&D
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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:20:05 CDT
From: bliss@csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss)
Subject: brew kettles
Art Medlar <hman@violet.berkeley.edu> writes:
> found the best deal at Ying's ...
> Ten gallons, stainless(?) steel, with a lid, for $42.
C.R. Saikley:
> I have a friend who just got a good deal on a brew kettle, so I
> thought I'd pass this along. He got a 10 gallon stainless steel
> kettle for $39. ... He bought it at Ying's, which is at the corner of
> Pacific and Stockton in San Francisco's China Town.
hmm. they seem to be getting cheapert by the minute.
Maybe if I wait until next week, I can REALLY get a bargain :-)
.......
> I read the label on the yeast package
> about breaking the seal and neadinn the package. I went ahead and combined
> the ingreadients cooked em. but about two thirds of the way through I noticed
> on the yeast package that it said it would need a day or two to incubate.
I did the same thing when I tasted my Wyeast british ale starter and
found it to be infected. I used Wyeast german ale instead. It was
a little slow to start, but worked fine. The damn thing took an entire
month to ferment, but I talked to a friend who (presumably) let his
package incubate, and hada long fermentation, too.
I re-cultured the dregs for the next batch, and with a ready starter
bottle, it still took 24 hrs to start to krausen. I aereated this
batch fully - we'll see if it still takes a month.
Back on the subject of infected Wyeast British ale yeast. I thought
I was at fault when I made the starter bottle, so I ordered another
package. When I arrived, the package has already started to swell,
and the bubble had not been burst yet! Could Wyeast have released
an infected batch? This has only happened on British Ale packets
dated April 10 for me. I cut open the foil, and tasted the solution,
and it was slightly sour, but certainly not "vinegary". I then
cultured what was in the bubble, but I'll probably never use it.
cheers!
bb
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 13:45:37 -0400
From: hplabs!bnr-vpa!bnr-rsc!crick (Bill Crick)
Subject: ginger, aphids
Regarding using ginger in beer slowing down yeast: I make ginger beer
that has 1/2lb of fresh ginger in 2 gallons of water, and it certainly'
doesn't slow down the fermentation in any way.
My mother's recipe to get rid of aphids:
Mix 2 cups of vegetable oil, and three tablespoons of dishwashing
liquid together.
Taks two tablespoons of this liquid, and mix with 1 quart of water.
Thouroughly spray plants with this liquid once a week.
It apparently controls several types of bugs.
Bill Crick
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1991 11:05:36 -0400
From: hplabs!bnr-vpa!bnr-rsc!crick (Bill Crick)
Subject: MEV Research
I called the two numbers given for MeV Research in Waterloo.
One is a grumpy fellow who doesn't know who the !@#$% MeV is.
The other is "we cannot complete your call as dialed, Please hang up..."
I called directory assistance, and they have no listing for Mev anything!
Doesn't look good. Pity, their Weiss beer yeast had a real nice tang to it.
Bill Crick Brewius, Ergo Bust!
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End of HOMEBREW Digest #683, 07/19/91
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