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Subject: Lambic Digest #1046 (March 20, 1997)
Lambic Digest #1046 Thu 20 March 1997
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
Contents:
Re: Lambic Digest #1045 (March 19, 1997) (David Bermudes)
Wisconsin Brews. (Ron Phillips)
Recent culturing experience (Jeremy Bergsman)
microbrews (Francois Espourteille)
Call for Style Guideline Volunteers ... (Tom Fitzpatrick)
We've been asked to find a new home... (Mike Sharp)
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 12:04:33 -0000
From: David Bermudes <dbermude at vionpharm.com>
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #1045 (March 19, 1997)
For Wisconsin breweries, I would also check out the Klish brothers
Lakefront Brewery, in the River West part of Milwaukee. I have
especially enjoyed their Holiday Spice Ale, not to mention their Moe,
Larry and Curly fermenters.
David Bermudes
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:50:40 -0500
From: Ron Phillips <rmphilli at pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Wisconsin Brews.
> I am going to Wisconsin in two weeks and want to know what beers are must haves while I'm there. Last time I was there my favorites were the New Glarus Cherry, Apple and Uff-Da. The New Glarus Cherry beer was the best Cherry flavor I have ever tasted in any Kreik like concoction. Does anyone know what kind of Cherries they use??
They use Door county cherries, at a rate of 1 lb per bottle!
> The Uff-Da is a Coffee-like winter Stout; also very good.
Actually, The Uff-Da is a bock beer.
>The Leinenkugels's were alright, but a little more corn or rice, light
american-like than I prefer.
I agree on the Leinenkugel's--a little too mass market for me.
>I have heard about Cherryland Brewing and want to try their products, what's the best style they make?
Don't try their Cherry Rail, can you say artificial cherry flavor that
clashes with the hops? I never summoned the courage to try their other
products.
>All in all I think Vermont (Magic Hat, Otter Creek, Long Trail, Catamount, Shipyard, Tunterhill..) and Wisconsin make the best microbrews; anyone else think anyother states should be added to this list?
This seems to be a rather unusual statement. What about CA, WA and CO?
Not to mention a host of other states (including OH) which have a large
number of quality microbreweries. Ever hear of Great Lakes Brewing Co?
I don't think it is possible or appropriate to make a blanket statement
that state "X" has the best microbreweries.
Good luck on your search for quality beer.
Ron
ps. I'm not sure that this post (or my reply, for that mattter) belong
on the LD. Besides the New Glarus Belgian Red info, the subject matter
is not lambics or Belgian beers. I decide to reply because traffic has
been light lately, in the hope of stimulating some discussion.
On that note, has anyone used the Wyeast 3787 Trappist High Gravity
(reportedly the Westmalle strain) on a Dubbel? I tried culturing the
yeast from a bottle of La Chouffe with no success, so I was thinking
about trying the 3787.
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:01:23 -0800
From: Jeremy Bergsman <jeremybb at leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Recent culturing experience
Just a data point on culturing from bottles:
I have recently plated out the dregs of a '94 Cuve Rene,
'96 Cantillon Gueuze, and '96 Cantillon Rose de Gambrinus.
The CR was dead, but both Cantillons have lots of stuff
alive, mostly cycloheximide resistant. The RdG also has
the fastest growing ugly green mold I've ever seen. (The
mold is cycloheximide sensitive.)
BTW, what is the best way to select for pedio out of
a mixed culture like this?
- --
Jeremy Bergsman
jeremybb at stanford.edu
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~jeremybb
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:32:15 -0500
From: fespourteille at mmt.com (Francois Espourteille)
Subject: microbrews
Rich in PA wrote:
All in all I think Vermont (Magic Hat, Otter Creek, Long Trail, Catamount,
Shipyard, Tunterhill..) and Wisconsin make the best microbrews; anyone else
think anyother states should be added to this list?
Well, I guess you might want to include Maine, especially since that is
where Shipyard is located. Portland alone, if I remember correctly, has
some 4 or 5 breweries. During my last visit to that state I visited a pub
(The Great Lost Bear)in Portland which featured 50 taps, and over half of
those were Maine beers. Two or three of these breweries actually brew
Belgian styles beers, and the few I have tasted were very interesting. The
only problem is that they are really local brews and as such hard to find
outside the state. No commercial pLambics yet, however. Speaking of
which, does anyone know where I could find Cantillon Muscat Lambic and
their Vieux Lambic in the Boston area? I know they are available in small
quantities but have had no luck so far. Thanks.
Cheers
Francois
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:53:12 -0600 (CST)
From: fitz at fasicsv.fnal.gov (Tom Fitzpatrick)
Subject: Call for Style Guideline Volunteers ...
Beer and Mead Enthusiasts,
The 1997 BJCP Style Guidelines are complete
and can be viewed at:
http://www.execpc.com/~ddavison/bjcp.html
using the Adobe Acrobat 3.0 reader. Note that the last
revision date is 3/18/97.
Recent revisions to the mead guidelines have been
implemented. Note that there is an expanded set of mead
style guidelines available as a separate document. These
expanded mead guidelines may be used for competitions
with larger numbers of mead entries or they may be
useful as a reference to the most commonly made meads.
Special thanks to Michael Hall for providing the information
on which these guidelines are largely based. Thank Yous
are also in order for Ken Schramm, Steve Dempsey, and
Dan McConnell.
The beer categories have remained stable
since early February. In the future the guidelines will be
updated only once at the end of the year.
Since beer styles are always changing and
evolving, the BJCP has decided to form a subcommittee
of the Competition Committee to evaluate, research, and
update our guidelines.
We are looking for a variety of individuals to fill
various roles in the committee. The level of commitment
may vary greatly. One can volunteer as an outside
consultant for a particular style or become a long term
member of the committee. Qualifications may include but
are not limited to:
-access to historical materials.
-access to research materials.
-in depth knowledge of all styles.
-expertise in a particular style.
-acquainted with known expert(s) on a style.
-able to perform research/interviews with experts in
a style's country of origin.
-experience and knowledge chairing committees, keeping
focus and bringing issues to closure.
-commercial industry contacts.
-commercial brewing experience
Interested parties should e-mail Tom Fitzpatrick
(fitz at fnal.gov) with the following information:
1. Name
2. Preferred e-mail address
3. City, State, Country
4. Paragraph outlining your desired role and
level of time commitment.
The BJCP welcomes all opinions, comments, and
suggestions regarding style guidelines.
Cheers!
Tom Fitzpatrick
BJCP Competition Director
BJCP Competition Committee Chairman
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 13:41:48 PST
From: msharp at synopsys.com (Mike Sharp)
Subject: We've been asked to find a new home...
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