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Subject: Lambic Digest #1011 (January 15, 1997)
Lambic Digest #1011 Wed 15 January 1997
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
Contents:
B. United (Jeremy Bergsman)
Lambic Digest #1010 (January 14, 1997) -Reply (JOHN REESE)
Re: Lambic Digest ?1010 (January 14, 1997) (Stephen.D'ARCY)
Boston Homebrew Competition Announcement (Peter Langlois)
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 00:34:42 -0800
From: Jeremy Bergsman <jeremybb at leland.stanford.edu>
Subject: B. United
I have a fairly recent catalog from B. United (914-345-8900,
735-5053 at mcimail.com [can you believe that any company is too
small to afford $50/year for a domain name?]):
De Dolle:
BodKeun
Arabier
Oerbier
Still Nacht
Schneider Weisse
Aventinus weizen dopplebock
Schultheiss Berliner Weiss
Aecht Schlenkerla Rauchbier
St. Georgenbraeu Keller Bier
Schierlinger Roggen
Bayrisch G'Frorns Eisbock
Christmas Mead
Brasal:
Bock
Special Amber
An ad in the most recent Celebrator included Kindl Weiss which
means they import the only two if I'm not mistaken.
They were also the subject of a rumor that Courage Russian Imperial Stout
was being brought in. Anyone know anything about this?
Trying to keep up with what's true and what's a rumor in the importing
business for my web page is surprisingly (to me) hard.
Anyway, if it costs too much, don't buy it. Unfortunately some
might interpret that for lack of interest, but it seems that these days
there are plenty of importers waiting to pick up the slack for beers that
can be brought in.
Having had most of the beers in the above list I can say that they are as
a rule very good beers and are worth the price if in good condition. I
have started getting my money back for oxidized beer and I suggest you
all do the same. It's one thing to drop $6 on a beer, but if it's in bad
condition that's the real ripoff. I would hope that this sends the right
message: "I'm willing to pay for good beer, as long as it's good beer."
- --
Jeremy Bergsman
jeremybb at leland.stanford.edu
http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~jeremybb
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:22:42 -0600
From: JOHN REESE <JOHN_REESE at mail.campbell-mithun.com>
Subject: Lambic Digest #1010 (January 14, 1997) -Reply
John Reese doesn't work here any longer so you can discontinue sending
lambic messages. Thank you!
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 18:01:57 +0100
From: Stephen.D'ARCY at DG1.cec.be
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest ?1010 (January 14, 1997)
In Lambic Digest _1010, there are the following contributions on :
> Re: Rochefort 10 ... (Tom Fitzpatrick)
> High Prices (Evan Kraus)
> Re: Orval Hopping (Richard Gardner)
> > Subject: Re: Rochefort craze (and rightfully so)
> > I am glad to finally see one of the best Belgian beers, possibly the
best
> > one, available here, even if it's hard to find. What is a bit
unsettling
> > is the price (....) It is $5.99 for 33cl (11.2 oz) 11.3% ABV
> >
> > I just brough a few (well, quite a few...) back from France this past
> > week. They were retailing for under 15 Francs a piece, which is just
> > under $3; and that in a country where sales taxes (included in this
> > price) are around 18%. I have a hard time believing that the
> > difference can be attributed solely to shipping costs and import
> > duties and would be curious to see what the profit margin is on that
beer.
Here in Belgium, the beer is sold in supermarkets for BFr. 53 a bottle, even
cheaper by the case.
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> From: ekraus at ain.bls.com (Evan Kraus)
> Subject: High Prices
>
> At the price per bottle of Rochefort quoted I would rather fly to Belgium
> and SEE it and DRINK it. If U bought 58.43 bottles U would be spending
> the price of a round trip ticket to Belgium. Add the cost of another
> bottle and U could have a copy of Stephen D'Arcy's "A Selective Guide
> to Brussels Bars". Then all U would need is some spending money a
> backpack or hotel room and you're all set.
> Check out my home page which shows some Belgian Brewery adventure pictures
> It all started because I got a partial copy of his guide. Then when I
realised I had only the odd > pages of the guide I called Stephen and the
rest is history.
> My wife and I had always loved Belgium and after we got the Guide our entry
> point to Europe is ALWAYS Belgium. I have no affiliation to him his
GUIDE other than a > satisfied user and friend !!!!!
Thank you, Evan, for those kind words! Now, how many bottles of Rochefort
10_ can you fit into a suitcase ...?
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> Subject: Re: Orval Hopping
> > According to Jackson the Brothers dry hop with Kent Goldings.
Knowing
> > that he is not always accurate (because the brewers probably don't
> > want all of their secrets in print), I was wondering if anybody out
> > there in cyberland has any knowledge regarding this.
>
> According to Jackson in "The Great Beers of Belgium" (ISBN 1-900131-35-8)
> whole Hallertau-Hersbruck and Styrian Goldings are used, one during the
> boil, the other during maturation (doesn't say which is which). It also
> says that Kent Goldings have been used in the past for "that finishing
> touch," but the present brewmaster prefers Sty Goldings. The dry-hopped
> secondary fermentation takes at least 3 weeks.
In January's "What's Brewing", Roger Protz describes his recent visit to
Orval. He states that they use German Hallertau and Styrian Goldings as
copper hops (in the boiling), and East Kent Goldings for dry hopping -
"chosen for their sublime, resiny, piny aroma". John Woods and Keirh
Rigley, in "The Beers of Wallonia - Belgium's Best Kept Secret", confirm the
copper hop varieties, and mention the dry hopping, but without specifying the
type of hop used.
Stephen D'Arcy
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Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 17:32:00 +0000
From: ATTDCS!DCSATPO1!planglois at dcstm1.attmail.com (Peter Langlois)
Subject: Boston Homebrew Competition Announcement
Hello everyone.
A big chance for you p-lambic brewers to make a name:
**********ANNOUNCING**********
The Third Annual
BOSTON HOMEBREW COMPETITION
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
A BJCP registered homebrewing contest with over 70 recognized entry
sub-categories, including Ciders. Results from this competition
count toward the New England Home Brewer of the Year award.
The competition ENTRY DEADLINE is Febrewary 15.
The competition will be held in Boston (Allston, acutally) MA on
Febrewary 22nd.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Send entries to:
International Beverages Inc.
Attn: Boston Homebrew Competition
5 Mear Drive
Holbrook, MA 02343 (phone for shipping purposes, do not call IBC: 617
767-9600)
ALL entries will be judged by BJCP participant judges.
This competition is sponsored and run by the Boston Wort Processors
Brewing Club. I personally promise you a quality competition.
COMPLETE INFORMATION can be found at www.wort.org/wort.
Judging forms, entry forms, bottle labels, style guidelines,
organizer contact lists, and other great stuff is there.
Entry fee: $5 per entry, or $4 if entering 5 or more entries.
Packets will be sent out to those sending e-mail to pete at wort.org
(but pulling the stuff off the web page is faster and better.)
Enter early, enter often.
Regards
PETE
Peter Langlois
Ik Objectief Bierproven
pete at wort.org or pl at world.std.com
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