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Subject: Lambic Digest #880 (June 27, 1996)
Lambic Digest #880 Thu 27 June 1996
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
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Re: Lambic Digest #879 (June 26, 1996) (Craig Pepin)
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:34:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Craig Pepin <ckp at acpub.duke.edu>
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #879 (June 26, 1996)
> Interestingly, a friend used a large starter from the primary of my 4th
> batch to brew an ESB. This beer took 1st in its category at two
> separate, but local, competitions held several months apart. When I
> tasted it, I noticed a subtle off-flavor. More noticeable Brett
> contributions were the stripped out body and the high level of
> carbonation.
Just to clarify Todd's note, the ESB that I brewed with his infected
starter was actually a split batch. The beer that took two 1st place
ribbons came from the other batch, pitched with a clean starter of Wyeast
German Ale. Which it makes it that much more heartbreaking that I had to
throw out 5 gallons of it as basically undrinkable.
Somehow, I think there may have been other contaminants lurking in there,
either from Todd's starter or from other sources. Wherever they came
from, I've been battling them for the last 6 months with only limited
success. They always seem to kick in in the secondary or in the bottle,
and are never apparent in the primary ferment or upon transfer (or at
bottling if I do a single stage)
It's nice to see some of you hard science guys approaching my
profession with the subtlety and sensitivity exhibited by Mike Sharp in
his last post about traditions. To add one further point, it is a common
flaw to take someone's previous erroneous assertion about something as
accurate, and then repeat it, properly footnoted of course to lend it an
air of authenticity and factualness. Like the big lie, if repeated often
enough it takes on an undeserved air of "hard fact" It happens more often
than you think, even among professional historians, and is all too easily
replicated in arenas with less sensitivity to original sources and
historical methods.
Craig Pepin
Duke University
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