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Lambic Digest #896 Tue 16 July 1996
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
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RE: Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996) (Daniel Fernandez)
Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996)
Gueze Lambics (DrDNA)
Re: Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996) (HARDCIDER)
aged G(u)euze/what's in a name/Oud Beersel/mailorder Lambics (korz)
CR revisited (Scott Bickham)
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Gueze Lambics (DrDNA)
Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996)
Re: Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996) (Patrick Racette)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 01:47:33 -0700
From: Daniel Fernandez <daniel at neptune.net>
Subject: RE: Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996)
In Southern California check with Hi-Time Cellars in Costa Mesa (Orange =
County 714 area code). Probably the best selection of GOOD beers in =
Southern California. Five or six different Gueze and scads of different =
fruited Lambics. A shelf and a half of different Belgian Trappist, =
Abbey, and other beers. I am a satisfied patron.
An entire 30' by 20' walk in cooler full of American Craft Brewed and =
Imported Beers. Probably the best wine cellar in Southern California =
too.
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Lambic Digest #895 Mon 15 July 1996
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:39:42 -0400
From: DrDNA at aol.com
Subject: Gueze Lambics
As I've read over the last few days of Lambic Digest, I've come to =
realize
that there are a great many lambics out there I haven't tried. As a =
resident
of Los Angeles, about the only REAL lambics I've had are from Boon, =
which is
a great favorite of mine. All this talk about Cantillon, CR, and =
Hanssen's
has got my juices flowing. Does anybody know what's available on the =
West
Coast or, for that matter, in the U.S., short of making a trip to =
Belgium and
how I might go about getting some quality lambics send over my way?
Thanks,
Adrian
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:43:54 -0400
From: HARDCIDER at aol.com
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #895 (July 15, 1996)
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 10:23:37 CDT
From: korz at pubs.ih.lucent.com
Subject: aged G(u)euze/what's in a name/Oud Beersel/mailorder Lambics
John writes:
>I have one bottle of CR left, maybe I should drink it soon given Scott's
>comments. :-)
>I thought given time the acidity would increase and not the reverse.
My experience has shown that the acidity increases for a year or three and
then decreases. I believe the process by which this occurs is esterification
where acids and alcohols join to form esters. I believe that yeast is
necessary for this to occur (can anyone confirm/deny?). Two excellent
examples of this were the 17-year-old Cantillon Gueuze I had at the brewery
and the 5-year-old Drie Fonteinen Geuze (Flemish spelling) I had at the
"blendery." Both of these were significantly less sour than their younger
counterparts. The 3-year-old Drie Fonteinen that you normally get is
quite "rough" on the back of the throat due to all the acidity. I am aging
all the bottles I brought back at least two years before I drink any more
of it.
CR writes:
>Now we can
>fairly readily get Cuvee Rene, Boon, Cantillon (East Coast anyway),
>with hints of Girardin to come. However, IMNSHO, Hanssens stands alone.
>Increased lambic selection and exposure allows all of us to become more
>educated. The more lambic I drink, the better Hanssens gets!
I agree that Hanssens Kriek stands out among all Krieks, but when it comes
to Gueuze/Geuze, I like Cantillon, Lindeman's Cuvee Rene, Hanssens, Boon
Mariage Parfait and Girardin above the others I've had, and I would have to
say about equally. There have been tasting sessions in which I've put each
one of these above the others -- perhaps it was the year, perhaps it was my
mood, perhaps it was the condition of the bottle (how much abuse it had). I
have not tried the Traditional De Troch yet.
***
Andrew writes:
>Above the "Gueuze Lambic Beer" on the label of the CR, it says Grand Cru. To
>me,
>that means all old Lambic. "Gueuze" is what I think of as bottled Lambic,
>though
>we know it to be a blend of old and new Lambic. In this case, I would think of
>the "Gueuze" appellation as meaning the bottled version.
"Grand Cru" means nothing other than that the brewer wants to set this beer
above their other beers. It is a "special" beer of some sort. For Rodenbach
it means that it is indeed unblended and aged 3 years in stead of 1. For
other brewers it means other things.
"Gueuze" means a blend of various years of Lambic, refermented in the bottle.
>In contrast, the Cantillon Grand Cru, Bruocsella 1900, has no mention of the
>"Gueuze" label, but does say "Old Lambic".
The Cantillon Bruocsella 1900 is indeed a bottled Lambic and not a Gueuze.
***
Jim writes:
>Amen to that but I just opened an aged bottle of Oud Beersel Gueuze,
>I think it was from my trip in 93, and I suppose the bottling was in 91-92.
>A quite amazing example in its own right. While missing the malt/fullness
>foundation of a Hanssens it still had all the other wonderful Brett et
>al characteristics. It will be a shame when this brewery dies with its
>current brewer, I give em another 5-15 years.
If I'm not mistaken, Henri Vandervelden said that he is teaching the art
to some other young fellow. This was during my summer 95 trip. Alas, I
thought the Geuze was a bit too enteric for my taste and the Kriek tasted
off also. I bought a couple of bottles anyway and will see how they age.
***
Adrian writes:
>Does anybody know what's available on the West
>Coast or, for that matter, in the U.S., short of making a trip to Belgium and
>how I might go about getting some quality lambics send over my way?
Mainstreet will ship you some Cantillon or Boon and they have quite a few
other Belgian beers. They do take credit cards and ship wine all over the
country too. Give them a call at 708-354-0355. [Disclaimer: I have nothing
to gain from you buying mailorder from Mainstreet.]
Al.
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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:13:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Bickham <bickham at dave.nrl.navy.mil>
Subject: CR revisited
A few more tidbits relating to my comments on aging and CR. The
bottle on which I drew those conclusions was shared with Pat Baker
when I visited him over the 4th of July weekend. It was still
a good lambic, but seemed watered down compared to the other
half dozen or so opportunities I've enjoyed this beer. I purchased
another bottle at the same time (Well's in Baltimore had a sale
where the second was 50% off), and Tom Cannon and I sampled
it on Saturday. This one tasted like I remembered, with a complex
aroma, plenty of brett. flavors and a balanced tartness in the finish.
Tom mentioned that he had experienced a bland-tasting bottle,
so they can probably be chalked up to small scale brewing and
perhaps leaky seals.
I do have a question though - the CR I have seen has virtually no
sediment in the bottle. Has anyone been able to get viable
cultures from this beer?
Scott
P.S. I'll see if I can scan a picture of my pellicle. It resembles
the tracks made by subatomic particles in bubble chambers.
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Lambic Digest #895 Mon 15 July 1996
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
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Gueze Lambics (DrDNA)
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:39:42 -0400
From: DrDNA at aol.com
Subject: Gueze Lambics
As I've read over the last few days of Lambic Digest, I've come to realize
that there are a great many lambics out there I haven't tried. As a resident
of Los Angeles, about the only REAL lambics I've had are from Boon, which is
a great favorite of mine. All this talk about Cantillon, CR, and Hanssen's
has got my juices flowing. Does anybody know what's available on the West
Coast or, for that matter, in the U.S., short of making a trip to Belgium and
how I might go about getting some quality lambics send over my way?
Thanks,
Adrian
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> Lambic Digest #895 Mon 15 July 1996
>
> Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
> Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
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> Contents:
> Gueze Lambics (DrDNA)
>
> Send article submissions only to: lambic at longs.lance.colostate.edu
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> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 15:39:42 -0400
> From: DrDNA at aol.com
> Subject: Gueze Lambics
>
> As I've read over the last few days of Lambic Digest, I've come to realize
> that there are a great many lambics out there I haven't tried. As a resident
> of Los Angeles, about the only REAL lambics I've had are from Boon, which is
> a great favorite of mine. All this talk about Cantillon, CR, and Hanssen's
> has got my juices flowing. Does anybody know what's available on the West
> Coast or, for that matter, in the U.S., short of making a trip to Belgium and
> how I might go about getting some quality lambics send over my way?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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