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Subject: Lambic Digest #818 (March 19, 1996)
Lambic Digest #818 Tue 19 March 1996
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
Contents:
DeDolle yeast ("Likovuori Kari")
Still one bit of Orval trivia ("Likovuori Kari")
DeDolle, originality. (Russell Mast)
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Date: 18 Mar 96 09:37:32 +0200
From: "Likovuori Kari" <Kari.Likovuori at pt2.tempo.mol.fi>
Subject: DeDolle yeast
>Date: Wed, 13 Mar 1996 10:26:28 -0500
>From: tmgierma at acpub.duke.edu (Todd Gierman)
>Subject: Orval, comments on microbiology of
>
>It's interesting to note that DeDolle has an Orval knockoff, which I have
>never had, and that they also use Br. lambicus in their high gravity
>products like Stille Nacht, Bos Kuen and Oerbier (and a lacto bug). I'd
>like to know the overall rationale for using Brett in these beers. Sure it
>gives them interesting flavor and helps make them great, but it can also
>backfire by causing off flavors (a significant portion of Orval on U.S.
>shelves).
I have been told by a good belgian friend of mine that De Dolle Brouwers get
their yeast from Rodenbach. I'm willing to believe that; take a sip of Oerbier
and think the similarities in flavour.
-=Kari=-
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Date: 18 Mar 96 09:54:34 +0200
From: "Likovuori Kari" <Kari.Likovuori at pt2.tempo.mol.fi>
Subject: Still one bit of Orval trivia
Orval today is not as great beer what it used to be some 5-6 years ago.
According to my belgian friend (Orval collector and enthusiast (not anymore))
the master brewer in Orval changed that time (beginning of 1990). The new brewer
don't like very bitter brews, so the bitterness of Orval was cut down at that
time.
I was able to confirm that when I sampled Orval from the year 1991 and it
really was more bitter than Orval today. You can store Orval some 5-10 years in
optimal condions. The huge hop aroma won't last many years but otherwise vintage
Orval is very good.
-=Kari=-
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Date: Mon, 18 Mar 1996 09:48:24 -0600
From: Russell Mast <rmast at fnbc.com>
Subject: DeDolle, originality.
> From: Todd Gierman <tmgierma at acpub.duke.edu>
> Stille Nacht
> Arabier
> Boskuen
> Lichtervelds Blond (Duvel knock off)
> Oerbier
> Vlotbier
> Special Reserva (11% abv)
> Dulle Teve
> Zwarte Molenbier
Wow, I've only had four of those. (Stille, Ara', Boskuen, Oer') I'd be
interested in a description of the others and info on commercial availability
in the US. (I think this is of pretty general interest, but private e-mail
is fine, too.)
> From: Michael Sharp <msharp at Synopsys.COM>
> Back to the subject of pLambics, last week someone talked about originating a
> pina colada flavoured pLambic, which appeared to be immitated by De Troch's
> Chapeau. I made a one gallon test batch of what I believe to also be original,
> Strawberry-Banana! It was rather interesting. I stole the idea from Dannon
> yogurt. I bottled it in December 95, was this original, and/or does anyone have
> any other presumably original pLambic blendings?
It may not be that interesting, but I brewed a one-gallon test batch of
Blueberry pLambic. I've only snuck one sip, but it seems like it's going
to be really good. Blueberries are very mild - I'll use more next time.
If I had more, I'd consider blending with some pKriek. It sounds weird,
but it's pLambic to begin with, and I think they'd taste good together.
I'll probably bottle this at the same time as my 5.5 gallon pKriek, so maybe
I'll mix a bottle or two then. The color of the blueberry pLambic is really
beautiful, it's not as blue as the berries, it's more of a purplish color,
but it's a very deep color. I'll probably start a 5 gallon batch this
coming summer. I'm thinking 5-6 lb/gal.
-R
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