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Subject: Lambic Digest #873 (June 20, 1996)
Lambic Digest #873 Thu 20 June 1996
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
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Re: Lambic Digest #872 (June 17, 1996) ("G. T. Leigh")
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:07:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "G. T. Leigh" <gl17833 at appstate.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #872 (June 17, 1996)
At 12:30 AM 6/17/96 -0600, you wrote:
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>Lambic Digest #872 Mon 17 June 1996
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> Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
> Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
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>Contents:
> Re: AHA Final Round Lambic Judging (EDM)
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>
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>Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 23:16:31 -0300 (ADT)
>From: edm at fox.nstn.ca (EDM)
>Subject: Re: AHA Final Round Lambic Judging
>
>As one of the five judges at the table for the final round, a maker of
>pLambics (though not so dedicated as the winning brewer or Jim L) I have
>the following comments.
>
>The beers were split into two flights of about 11. I judged one half with
>one other judge, a National Judge, who also makes lambics himself (he
>subscribes to this Digest). The other half was judged by Jim L. another
>national Judge who makes Lambics and another judge whose status is unknown
>to me. I was, by virtue of being from "far away", a bit of an outsider at
>the table, as the other four judges all knew each other to some extent.
>
>We did not score any beer above 40, which I believe, is indicative of there
>not being a true "killer" pLambic at the table. We did, however, score the
>beers that ended up first and second (the third came from the other flight)
>in the mid to high thirties, or "very good" as per the score sheets - and
>they were very good.
>
>What was interesting to me was that at Jim's talk, the next day, none of
>the beers tasted would have been passed on by us, including the Boon.
>Sorry, but the example we had was dull, and had no life or outstanding
>feature, save some acetone. The only Lambic I tasted that would have
>given the top two beers a go was the Lindemans Jim let me taste after his
>tale (Cuvee Renee Gueuze). It would have won, although it was less intense
>than the winner, but more complex, and pleasing on a greater number of
>levels.
>
>The most interesting non winner was a cranberry lambic that, to me,
>suggested strong future possibilities for the use of cranberries in this
>medium. Afterwards, it turned out that the brewer of this beer was at the
>conference - Scott Bickham!
>
>Anyway, when a beer scores 37, and it is judged to be the best of a final
>five or six out of 22, it deserves a gold. My experience with commercial
>lambics, including Cantillon and others in Belgium, is that they are, at
>best, variable - a crap shoot for quality. This inconsistency is, in fact,
>one of the reasons why I enjoy the style so much. When they are good, they
>are wonderful.
>
>It is important to have a perfect ideal in mind for a style, and Jim's
>attitude of searching for excellence is necessary to advance our knowledge
>to be able to approach beers that score above 40. I use scores in the 40's
>to communicate that to the brewers of beers I judge. In a competition,
>however, the beers are ultimately compared against each other, albeit using
>a scale defined by the perfect beer being a 50, and an excellent beer being
>above 40. In the AHA final round there were no 40 plus beers. There were,
>however, very good first, second, and third place pLambics. ( and 4th to
>6th too).
>
>I subscribe to the JudgeNet and Lambic Digest. This discussion really
>belongs in the JudgeNet, because it is not about Lambics specifically.
>What is the perfect stout? Bitter? Weizen? FWIW, my definition of a
>perfect stout is the pint of Guinness at the pub across from the Guinness
>brewery in Dublin, on a beautiful day late in the afternoon, with friends
>when I am thirsty after a full day of golf when I have broken 80 on a
>championship course. Jim's perfect Lambic may well be his first batch
>after being made brewmaster at Cantillon. That would probably be more
>possible than my perfect stout.
>
>Please, keep making them!
>
>
>Jeff Pinhey, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
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>Please stop seending me this stuf I need women
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George T. Leigh<gl17833 at appstate.campus.mci.net
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