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Subject: Lambic Digest #354 (May 27, 1994)
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 00:30:09 -0600
Lambic Digest #354 Fri 27 May 1994
Forum on Lambic Beers (and other Belgian beer styles)
Mike Sharp, Digest Coordinator
Contents:
Re: Lambic Digest #353 (May 26, 1994) ("Phillip Seitz")
More Rodenbach stuff (Jim Busch)
Re: Lambic Digest #350 (May 22, 1994) (KLASSEN)
de Bierbommel / Brettanomyces sources (Michael Sharp)
Belgian Book Source (Teddy Winstead)
Re: Lambic Digest #353 (May 26, 1994) ("Bradford, Jamie F")
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Date: Thu, 26 May 94 10:22:36 -0400
From: "Phillip Seitz" <p00644 at psilink.com>
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #353 (May 26, 1994)
My apologies to Jay Hersh, who may have thought I was doubting his
veracity in reporting that we've been getting regular Rodenbach in
Grand Cru bottles. Never, Jay! (However, I've some doubts about the
people at the brewery...)
I did have bottles purchased both in D.C. and in Chicago that were just
terrible. In fact, the Brickskeller recently pulled Rodenbach from
their annual Belgian tasting because they weren't happy with the
bottles they'd had. I've certainly had plenty of regular Rodenbach,
and it didn't taste anything like the stuff I bought in Chicago. In
all fairness there could have been some very poor handling in transit
from Belgium to here, but it'd have to have been AWFUL handling.
The story about Rodenbach's problems comes from a staff member at a
Belgian brewing school.
I'm also pleased to report that last night BURP took over the entire
Bistro Belgique Gourmand in Occoquan, VA, which is known for its
moules/frites feasts and its extensive beer selection. I was pursuaded
to try a Rodenbach and found it to be......excellent. I'd heard that
the new shipment had come in, and this was certainly up to the old
standard. In fact, I had two.
The only problem was everybody else there, who insisted on kidding me
ceaselessly. "Hey, get me another bottle of dishwater!"
However, I do stand by my statement that for a while we were getting
beer that had, at best, been seriously mistreated. I've been told that
these old bottles had the neck label, while the new ones have a foil
covering on the neck. I'm hoping to acquire a case, soon.
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Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:41:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Busch <busch at daacdev1.stx.com>
Subject: More Rodenbach stuff
Jay writes:
> Subject: What's in your Rodenbach
>
>I am more than a little annoyed, that you cite some vague rumor of the brewery
having fermentation problems over direct reports from both the importer and the
> brewery itself, both of which are very recent. So I guess unless we ship you
> there yourself we're not to be believed.
I have no real feelings one way or the other on this one, except it is a
bit unfortuneate that the beer is mislabeled. But Jay, just what do you
expect the importer and brewery to say?? Yeah, we dumped the stuff and
we dont care?? I mean we are dealing with a very vested interest here. If
several knowledgable beer lovers have had rotten Rodenbach here, you
gotta wonder what gives.
Jim Busch
PS: with the time lag required to import beer to the US, recent info may
have little bearing on what is on the shelfs.
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Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 11:52:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: KLASSEN at BIOMED.MED.YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #350 (May 22, 1994)
Yes, I too was the victim of the horrid Rodie Grand Cru batch. I actually
had to pour them out (eeeek). I am glad to hear that better is on the way.
Also, the Boon framboise from over there is much better than what I've
purchased on this side.
H. Klassen
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Date: Thu, 26 May 94 10:17:12 PDT
From: msharp at Synopsys.COM (Michael Sharp)
Subject: de Bierbommel / Brettanomyces sources
Stephen George <74363.26 at CompuServe.COM> writes:
> Subject: de Bierbommel
Thanks for the summary Steve. Can you give us a quick review of the
Objectieve Bierproevers' reason for existences and maybe of their publication?
I'm sure there are a lot of folks here that haven't had any contact with them.
> My CI$ navigator takes liberties with the formatting.
I'm sure we can all put up with the strange formatting, but the problem
might be easily resolved by contacting Robin Garr on CI$. Then again,
maybe not.
tmgierma at acpub.duke.edu (Todd Gierman) writes:
> Subject: comments on Brett sources
>
> What it comes down to is this: you will never know whether it was any
> specific culture that failed to provide you with Brett character. Even
> legitimate cultures may not provide the desired effect.
As important as the culture selection is, I'm also begining to realize that
the tubid mash method I recently posted will have an effect on this. I
_beleive_ that without the complex sugars that it generates the Brettanomyces
will have nothing substantial to 'live on' after primary fermentation.
I've got a few experiments in the works to verify this; now all I need is time.
--Mike
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Date: Thu, 26 May 1994 09:05:32 -0600 (CDT)
From: winstead%brauerei at cs.tulane.edu (Teddy Winstead)
Subject: Belgian Book Source
I ordered "Lambic, Faro, et Geuze" from Librairie Francaise in NYC.
Their number is (800) 255-3741. No affiliation, blah, blah, blah.
I received one review of "Trappistes et Bieres d'Abbayes" (by the same
author) which summed it up as "silly".
Oh, and the book was around $15-20.
- --
Teddy Winstead
winstead%brauerei at cs.tulane.edu
winstead at cs.tulane.edu
Fanatical Homebrewer
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Date: Thu, 26 May 94 17:41:45 PST
From: "Bradford, Jamie F" <Jamie_F_Bradford at ccm.ch.intel.com>
Subject: Re: Lambic Digest #353 (May 26, 1994)
From: zeiss!cr at uunet.UU.NET (C.R. Saikley)
>Last January or so, some of us got together (Mike Sharp, Pete Schlossberg,
>Tom Dalldorf), and tasted imported "Grand Cru" (read Classic), along
>side of hand carried Grand Cru. They were indeed different beers, but
>no dishtowels.
>I'm curious about this rumor of fermentation woes at Rodenbach. Where
>did this originate? I find it hard to believe that they would go to
>all the trouble of re-introducing their beers to the US market, putting
>warnings about drunk pregnant women on the label, shipping overseas, etc.,
>only to blow it by dumping a bad batch and turning everyone off. New
>product introductions entail delicate situations, and Eric appreciates
>this.
Perhaps the problem is one of mis-handling rather than bad beer. My
recollection of three bottles of Belgian ale (three different beers) that I hand
carried to the states is that there was a difference in flavor from bottles of
the same beers in a bar. I suspect that the reason is that I hand carried these
bottles around Germany for a week before flying home. The bottles experienced a
great deal of movement and shaking, as well as a variety of temperatures. By
the time I got around to drinking them, there was a marked difference in flavor
from what I remember. Granted, no "dishtowel" beer, but different nonetheless.
My $.02.
Hope the cc:Mail SMTP Gateway doesn't hose this too much.
Jamie
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