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Cider Digest #2008
Subject: Cider Digest #2008, 17 December 2015
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #2008 17 December 2015
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Re: ancient plaintext in a hyper-media world (Alexander S Kroh)
Re: keeve not happening. What to do next (Claude Jolicoeur)
Equipment Investments ("Richard Anderson")
Re: Cider Digest #2007, 14 December 2015 (Andrew Lea)
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Subject: Re: ancient plaintext in a hyper-media world
From: Alexander S Kroh <akroh@uga.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:06:12 +0000
I agree with Dick's assessment that there is value to the low-tech nature
of the CD. However, there is one aspect in which the low-techness is an
impediment and that is in searching past issues. I recognize that there
are past archives on Dick's website, but realistically most folks don't
know how or couldn't be bothered to download all of the past issues and
create some system for searching through them. If there were an online
location that would continually ingest new issues of CD, index and make
available the contents for research, posterity, etc? it would be of great
value to many, I believe.
I wonder if anyone else has wondered how we will preserve the information
that CD has accumulated over the many years. Has anyone else wondered how
can we make it more accessible, more useable? I have been dabbling with
some solutions for my own personal entertainment; as an archivist in my
professional life, these types of problems are of great interest to me
and as an amateur cider maker, I feel personally invested in the fate of
the information contained in the CD archives.
So, how do digest members feel about making all past issues of CD available
in a searchable, browsable, digital-library like environment? Is anyone
else out there thinking or working on a solution?
Alex Kroh
Digital Archivist
Walter J. Brown Media Archives And Peabody Awards Collection
University of Georgia Special Collections Library
300 S Hull St
Athens, GA 30602
706.542.4391
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Subject: Re: keeve not happening. What to do next
From: Claude Jolicoeur <cjoliprsf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 19:05:53 -0500
In Cider Digest #2007, steven buczkowski wrote:
> I presently have a 7 gallon bucket of blended juice that was started as
> a keeving experiment. [.. snip..] As I see it, I can 1) let it run as is
> 2) pitch a new yeast
> and try to get it to take over
Pitching new yeast won't do much because the wild yeast has already
established a population (and used most of the natural nutrients), and
the pitched yeast won't have a chance to build its own population and
compete the already established yeast.
Adding sulfite won't kill the the established yeast population unless
you use massive dosage.
I am afraid your only option is to let it run... You may however do a
racking to reduce the biomass and fermentation speed.
Claude Jolicoeur
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Subject: Equipment Investments
From: "Richard Anderson" <rhanderson@centurytel.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:15:10 -0800
Thinking back over the years about what I have purchased, what was junk,
what has proven its worth.
Tanks, Variable capacity stainless, easy to clean. Yes, expensive perhaps 5X
PVC which Dick said has improved over the years.
Pump, hoses and fittings. Size the pump to what seems appropriate for the
volume of cider you plan to make. A small 1/2 inch pump is not going cut it
if your volume increases every year. Standardize your fittings and hoses
accordingly to your tanks and pump. Choose a system which can be easily
cleaned and sanitized. I use a combination of 1/2" to 1" hose all fitted
with 1 1/2" tri clamps.
Lab equipment, a decent scale for sure, several hydrometers and ph meter.
Some glass ware, but make sure you have some plastic ware 500 ml and 5l.
One purchase I found particularly useful is a pressure washer with a boiler.
In addition to wash down, the hot water can be used to CIP hoses, filters
etc and run the bath pasteurizer.
A pallet jack for moving bottles, etc without breaking your back.
Keep in mind good equipment can be resold for near its original cost as you
grow. Junk is just that and cost recovery is problematic and I have purchase
my share of it.
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2007, 14 December 2015
From: Andrew Lea <andrew@harphill.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 22:43:22 +0000
Steven wrote:
> a keeving experiment. ....... I'm starting to
> get significant fermentation from wild yeasts in the must and am trying
> to decide whether to let the experiment now be a natural yeast cider
> just without the keeve. ... As I see it, I can 1) let it run as is 2)
> pitch a new yeast
>
> So, I'm looking for some opinions: let it run or, not?
I think your only viable option is 1. Let it run. If it's already
fermenting it has far more yeast cells than any cultured inoculum you
could now add.
Adding SO2 is unlikely to be successful at this stage. It is true that
Kloeckera are more susceptible to sulphite than Saccharomyces but both
produce acetaldehyde which just binds up any sulphite you now add.
My advice would be to fit an airlock, let it run, but sulphite the
finished dry cider.
Andrew Lea
n Oxford, UK.
www.cider.org.uk
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End of Cider Digest #2008
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