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Cider Digest #2037
Subject: Cider Digest #2037, 11 September 2016
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Cider Digest #2037 11 September 2016
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Re: Cider Digest #2035, 30 August 2016 (Hugh Thomas)
Cider Days 2016 (Ben Watson)
Winesap Apples ("Richard Anderson")
Ivor Dunkerton (Robert and Kay)
Re: Pectinase and clarification on a pasteurized must ("Dana Glei")
Rotor Material for Apple Grinder? (George Brewster)
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2035, 30 August 2016
From: Hugh Thomas <hughthomas44@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 12:16:40 -0600
Your climate zone means much less than your frost free days, or length of
growing season. You will need no frost during bloom, and no killing frosts
for about 110 days to mature the apples. Some varieties will mature in less
time, some need much more. This is what you will need to find out.
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Subject: Cider Days 2016
From: Ben Watson <BWatson@chelseagreen.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 14:34:46 +0000
The 22nd annual Cider Days festival happens this year on November 4-6 in
the beautiful hill towns of Franklin County in western Massachusetts.
Once again, we invite commercial cider producer (especially small craft
producers) to participate in the central event on Saturday, Nov. 5. The
Cider Salon typically features 35 or more producers contributing ciders for
a wide range of interested and knowledgeable cider drinkers -- this year
we are expecting 700 persons over two Salon sessions. This event will be
held again at Berkshire East ski area in Charlemont, MA.
For more information on participating in Cider Days this year, please
contact me offline at benwatson52@comcast.net
For this year's schedule and general information on Cider Days, please go
to the website: www.ciderdays.org
Cider Days is the oldest festival devoted to cider, and most of our events,
orchard and cidery open houses, and other events are free of charge. We
are a not-for-profit agricultural, cultural, and educational event, and run
by a volunteer committee who meet year-round to mount this very successful
"gathering of the cider clan." We are always evolving, and love to feature
new cider makers and products made from the real juice of apples and pears.
Ben Watson
Francestown, NH
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Subject: Winesap Apples
From: "Richard Anderson" <rhanderson@centurytel.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 16:47:14 -0700
Does anyone have experience with cider from Winesaps? I understand that they
are fairly acid and have high sugars and are used for apple juice. I did
not find much on using them for a single variety cider(we would use them for
distillation). One reference suggested that they have flavor that is not for
everyone's liking. Perhaps they would be better blended?
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Subject: Ivor Dunkerton
From: Robert and Kay <robandkaywest@tiscali.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2016 08:05:38 +0100
http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/14699646.Tributes_paid_to_Herefordshire_cider_
maker/
A very sad time.
I worked for Ivor and Susie for more than thirty years. They were
pioneers of modern British cider. They were determined to take the best
and most interesting cider apple and perry pear varieties and make the
best cider and perry you could taste.
For Dunkertons purity and quality is everything. Ivor and Susie set up
as traditional cider makers at a time when the huge industrial cider
makers ruled the market and volume sales were everything imported
concentrate was king and English cider orchards were being grubbed.
Dunkertons planted the first Soil Association, Organic bush cider
orchard and they went for the interesting tasting varieties not
necessarily the heavy croppers.
Not only was the quality of the cider and perry fundamental, how it was
sold was crucial too to raise peoples expectation of the product: it
had to look like the quality cider it was, so look at the shelves of
cider now and the presentation from so many other producers has gone
down that route.
I think it is only apt that Ivor has the last word, from an article by
Roger Protz:
"We're deep into flavour here. Our ciders really taste of apples."
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Subject: Re: Pectinase and clarification on a pasteurized must
From: "Dana Glei" <dglei@sonic.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 08:33:35 -0700
Thank you, Andrew and Claude, for your helpful responses (and useful
counsel). What you say makes sense. I am glad to have the additional
knowledge
[Hmmm...maybe I can get my brother to sell me some of the pectic enzyme they
use in their production of fresh (clarified) cider. He said they use
Cytolase. It works well for them (but they are concerned with mash breakdown
rather than juice breakdown as I am). In any case, I am going to see how I
make out with my current batches that use a fresh (unpasteurized) must. If
they clear well with the pectic enzymes I am currently using, then I will
just chalk my earlier problems up to pasteurization and move on. Cloudy,
clear...it is just aesthetics. Taste is what matters.]
I must say that it is amazing to me that (as a newbie cidermaker) I can post
a question to this Discussion Board and get answers from the two cider Gurus
whose opinion I would value most.
Dana Glei
Aspiring Cidermaker
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Subject: Rotor Material for Apple Grinder?
From: George Brewster <g@brewster.org>
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2016 12:55:34 -0600
Hi All,
I'm planning to build the grinder outlined in Claude Jolicoeur's truly
excellent book. It requires a 12 inch diameter 4 inch wide rotor, and
I'd love to get ideas on where I can get a good piece of material. In
the book, Claude built his rotor from laminated wood, but notes that
he'd probably get a round of HDPE next time due to the labor involved in
making the wood wheel. I like that idea as I don't have a ton of time to
devote to the project, but I can't find anybody who will sell such a
piece of plastic for less than about $200. Does anybody have a
suggestion for where to buy such a thing, or what I can repurpose as a
rotor?
Thanks,
George
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