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Cider Digest #2010
Subject: Cider Digest #2010, 31 December 2015
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #2010 31 December 2015
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
false spam-blocking problems (Cider Digest Admin)
Re: Cider Digest #2008, 17 December 2015 (Barbara Ross)
Re: Cider Digest #2008, 17 December 2015 (Joan Fletcher)
RE:Passage of Cider Act ()
Re: Cider Digest #2009, 26 December 2015 (Nathan Shackelford)
pesticides/organic ("Mike Beck")
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Subject: false spam-blocking problems
From: cider-request@talisman.com (Cider Digest Admin)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:42:42 -0700 (MST)
Gentle Readers: There have been several recent problems with spam blocking
software at some of your sites giving "false positives"--meaning, the Cider
Digest has been blocked even though it has no spam content. I'm sorry
about this, but there's not much I can do at my end. Here's what you might
do, though:
If you find that you've missed a Digest, or haven't heard anything for a
while, check the archives for the current year (address at top of each
digest).
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If you have any choice or say in what spam-blocking software is used for
you or your site, avoid Barracuda. I've seen more false-positive problems
with Barracuda blocking digests than with any other. It's not the -only-
problem mind you, just the worst headache for me.
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Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor Boulder County, Colorado USA
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2008, 17 December 2015
From: Barbara Ross <barbaraross@telus.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:33:43 -0800
I am an owner of a small new Cidery in BC Canada and in our expansion
plans we need an experienced cider maker. Where would you suggest that I
post for this type of position? I have not found a Canadian site but I
am sure there is something
Thanks for any help
Cheers
Barbara
Barbara Ross
Pomona Cider Mill
C 403-461-4463
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2008, 17 December 2015
From: Joan Fletcher <cyberwyrd@telus.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 17:39:34 -0800
About eight years ago, knowing that websites are ephemeral, I went through
the archives and copied and pasted EVERY SINGLE ISSUE into a separate text
file. Since then every time a new one comes in I copy and paste it into
a text file--before I even read it. Nowadays I keep them in GoodReader on
my iPad, which isn't as secure as I would like. but it and its associated
back up in the cloud are all I have. I would happily email them off to
anyone as part of an effort to reserve them and make them accessible.
Joan
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Subject: RE:Passage of Cider Act
From: <lotic@juno.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 06:04:48 -0500
James,
Real happy for ya, and I hope that the Cider Act will put some money back
in your pocket.
I make WELL under 100,000 gallons per year. So, the new tax break for
increased ABV above that amount of production does me no good.
I don't artificially force carbonate. So, the bubble-tax-break is also no
help.
But, if folks are over 100,000, or have brite-tanks, they should be very
happy.
Also, I believe that there will be some changes in approved ingredients.
I'm not sure just what that will do.
I think Diane Flynt covers this issue quite well in the below interview:
The Cider Journal asked Diane Flynt of Virginia's Foggy Ridge Cider to
comment on the new legislation. While generally optimistic about the
changes, she did have concerns:
"At first glance, the legislation is a step in the right direction for
the fine cider end of the US cider market. Allowing alcohol up to 8.5
percent means that orchard based cider makers who rely on high sugar
apples, such as Wickson Crab or Hewe's Crab, will not be requited to
dilute their cider to keep the alcohol under 7%. And allowing dissolved
CO2 levels up to 6.4 grams per liter means that bottle fermented cider is
likely to miss the high tax bracket.
"But what appears at first to be a boon for the quality,
ingredient-driven end of the cider spectrum is in reality a compromise
that, while perhaps necessary, still casts cider as largely a mass
market, highly manipulated beverage more like a wine cooler than an
agricultural product that begins in an orchard.
"The bill allows an ABV range of 0.5% to 8.5%, and defines cider as
`derived largely from apples, apple juice concentrate, pears or pear
juice concentrate, in combination with water'. So cider can contain a
hint of apple juice concentrate from China or Europe, an ABV of 4% due to
dilution and whatever additives to contribute flavor that the term
"largely" allows. That doesn't sound like craft cider to me. Cider is
wine made from apples, not beer made with apple juice and flavored with
ingredients. Cider, at its best, reflects varietal characteristics and
terroir, but the vast majority of cider made in the US is `beer cider'
driven by additives such as water, sugar and flavorings. Why not define
cider as `a beverage made from fermented apple juice", full stop?' "
The new tax levels will go into effect in 2016.
http://ciderjournal.com/2264-2/
So, although I am happy for you, you must realize that the Cider Act does
not raise all ships.
Peter Mitchell
Headwater Cider
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2009, 26 December 2015
From: Nathan Shackelford <nathan@shackelford.org>
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 08:50:19 -0600
Hello Fellow Cidermakers,
I know many of us are interested in orcharding and collecting interesting
scion wood for grafting. So, I just wanted to mention that the North
American Scion Exchange has recently created a new website which will be a
hub for scion sharing amongst people who do such things. There is a lot of
trading of many things, but apples seem to be at the top of the list of
frequently traded grafting material. In the past it was a Yahoo group and
Facebook group. The latest rendition will be a big improvement. The site
will continue to evolve, but we thought it was important to have something
functional up and running for the sharing season.
Here is the new site address: scionexchange.us
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Subject: pesticides/organic
From: "Mike Beck" <mjbeck@ujcidermill.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 11:53:31 -0500
Robert,
I am very curious why you want your apples/juice to be "organic". Further,
I am not sure what "nutrition" articles you are reading. If they come from
a glossy magazine they are more than likely not that accurate. As far as
residue is concerned, if pesticides are applied in a correct manner there
should be no residue in or on apple. This is true for both conventional or
organic sprays. My conventional orchard is in Michigan, I have been to
several MI organic orchards and they spray their orchards 2 to 3 times more
than I do. Moreover, those orchard trees are blue colored or yellow colored
trees and smells like a grand fireworks show just took place. Trees in my
conventional orchard are green all summer long. There seems to be a lot of
confusion about organic, many people think they do not get sprayed with
chemicals, more often from what I have seen it is more chemical, not less.
Further, many of the organic chemicals that I see in organic spray sheds are
the exact same chemicals that a conventional grower would have. Baccilus
Thuregenis, pyrethroids, copper compounds, sulphur compounds & mating
disruption to name a few. I do know this for certain if you drank a pint of
any type of pyrethroid, organic or conventional you will more than likely
die, for sure become very ill. I do not begrudge anybody on how they grow
their fruit, free world. What bothers me is that consumers are duped by
organic marketing, there is no data set produced anywhere that can prove
organic is more healthy or nutritional. A few people come to my market each
year and ask for organic fruit. My first comment to them is this, "I do
not want to spray my orchard more often with more chemicals." All of them
are shocked to find out that organic gets sprayed at all. The organic
industry has done absolutely nothing about educating consumers on this
common mis-perception. I also am aware that you can grow apples without
chemicals at all. In a back yard or very small orchard you may be able to
have great success. (especially with the right varieties) I have yet to see
any kind of larger orchard grow fruit for a profit with a no spray program.
I guess I have no answers to your questions because those pesticides should
not be there in the first place. unless pesticides were used in a manner
that was not compliant with label directions, which is a violation of
federal law.
Regards,
M. Beck
Saint John's, MI
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