Cider Digest #2031

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Subject: Cider Digest #2031, 8 July 2016 
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Cider Digest #2031                                         8 July 2016 

                 Cider and Perry Discussion Forum 

Contents: 
  Re: Cider Digest #2030, 25 June 2016 (Jim Cummins) 
  Re: Cider Digest #2030, 25 June 2016 (SMB WEBER) 
  ph---TA testers (Ron Beitelspacher) 

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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2030, 25 June 2016 
From: Jim Cummins <rootstocks@gmail.com> 
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 15:42:38 -0400 

re Cider digest #2030 (Anderson) -- Selection of parents in breeding rootstocks: 

1)  Short Version:  Herb Aldwinckle and I laid out our breeding 
objectives, in priorities Essential, Important, and Helpful.  We 
explored a very wide range of Malus possibilities.  Then attempted to 
match pairs of potential parents with objectives.  Sounds pretty 
simple, but it really was a major project.  We really had no source of 
size-controlling except the English rootstocks, Ottawa 3 (an M.9 
daughter) and Budagovsky 9 (a Malling 8 seedling).  For fire blight 
resistance, Robusta 5 and Novole mainly, plus a few other crab types 
such as Beauty Crab. 

2) Our initial program was aimed at New York growers.  Shortly it 
became obvious to us that that was a bit provincial, and that even the 
Southern states could use a bit of help.  (This caused us to shift the 
Woolly Apple Aphid objective from "Helpful" to "Essential".) 

3)  Probably the best way to understand the pre-1995 Geneva program is 
to read "Breeding Apple Rootstocks", published in 1983 as a part of 
Plant Breeding Reviews vol. 1. 

I retired in 1995. Since then Geneva rootstock breeding has been 
carried out by Fazio, Robinson and Aldwinckle. 

Try googling   breeding apple rootstocks. 

//Jim Cummins 

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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #2030, 25 June 2016 
From: SMB WEBER <weberscrossing9@gmail.com> 
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:10:39 -0400 

Thank you Marc and Sigrid.  My brother recently died from respiratory 
failure of a complicated disease (pulmonary fibrosis).  Towards the end, 
his doctors were surprised and at a loss to explain why they found 
oenococcus bacteria embedded in the bones of his nasal passages, after 
surgery to remove blockages in his sinuses.  Unexpectedly, they were also 
surprised to find that the sinus blockages were caused by the same kind of 
scar tissue that destroyed his lungs.  They found the oenococcus after they 
scraped out the sinus scar tissue and biopsied the bone tissue under it. It 
would seem that a likely source of the oenococcus was wine, unless there 
are more likely environmental sources for it.  The cause of pulmonary 
fibrosis (a horrible disease in which your lungs are turned into scar 
tissue) remains largely unknown.  So I wonder if the oenococcus was even a 
minor or not so minor mix of pathogens that worked in concert.  Maybe it 
was not.  But why would it penetrate and embed itself in bone tissue? 

I realize these questions are beyond the purview of this digest and the ken 
of many reading it.  But it seems important enough to ask in case any clue 
about its possible role might shed light on important and larger questions 
(for example, the origins or destructive means of pulmonary fibrosis). 
Thank you for your consideration and remarks. 

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Subject: ph---TA testers 
From: Ron Beitelspacher <ronb83530@gmail.com> 
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:17:28 -0700 

Hello Mr. Dunn, 

I am looking at upgrading from the ph strips to a ph and or TA analyzer... 

I do not know how to search on the Cider Digest or I would do so.. 

Claude Jolicouer asked the question in 2015 on the Google group 
forum...about a particular brand...but that did not seem to 
fit into the rules on that forum. 

 
So I am asking here....What are some good dependable brands or 
reccomendations for a ph and/or TA analyzer...instead of the ph 
strips...??? 

Thank you, 
Ron B 

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