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Cider Digest #1987
Subject: Cider Digest #1987, 18 September 2015
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Cider Digest #1987 18 September 2015
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Re: Cider Digest #1985, 9 September 2015 (Nathan Shackelford)
Re: Biennial Apples (Andy Crown Brennan)
Ideal Apple ("Eric C. Shatt")
RE:Biennial Apples ("Charles McGonegal")
Re: Biennial Apples (steve selin)
Equipment Cleaning/Sanitization (Robert Thompson)
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1985, 9 September 2015
From: Nathan Shackelford <nathan@shackelford.org>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 05:29:45 -0500
Dick,
I also bought *Apples to Cider *as soon as I had heard about it. Steve Wood
mentioned it to me at Cider Summit Chicago and I was glad to get my hands
on another book from a North American perspective. I just ordered it on
Amazon, and then when I loved it... I ordered one for my brother as well. I
never knew it was hard to find, but I didn't stumble on it either... I felt
that is was one of the most straightforward and useful books I have in my
collection. I wrote to Steve Wood and told him so.
This week I also received another book from another North American cider
maker, Jeff Smith, of Bushwacker Cider in Portland. Again, it's great to
read something from someone who has the same issues with apple supply and
and can get cider makers off on a good foot without feeling doomed by
dessert fruit.
Craft Cider: How to Turn Apples into Alcohol: Jeff Smith ...
<http://www.amazon.com/Craft-Cider-Turn-Apples-Alcohol/dp/1581573138>
I've been teaching cider workshops at the local homebrew shop for the past
few years and I felt like my role was to parse all the information in the
books I've read with my own experience and get people going with making
something they will enjoy. These books are both great resources for my
workshop attendees.
I'm glad you reviewed Apples to Cider here, and that we are growing some
resources of our own on this side of the pond. The more the merrier.
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Subject: Re: Biennial Apples
From: Andy Crown Brennan <CROWNARTS@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:30:44 -0400
Hi Josh,
Apple TREES belong in a forest and the forest has mysterious ways.
Pines, oaks... they all behave similarly. I won't pretend to know, but
here's something to explore: Mast Year
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mast_(botany)>
- -Andy
- --
Aaron Burr Cider
Hudson Valley/ Catskills NY
845.468.5867
Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Cidery/123637988892> , Twitter
<https://twitter.com/TheCidery>, AaronBurrCider.com
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Subject: Ideal Apple
From: "Eric C. Shatt" <ecs222@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 12:06:10 +0000
Evan, The Ideal apple does exist!!!!! Porter's Perfection!!!!, it follows
all of your listed guidelines.
Eric - Redbyrd Cider
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Subject: RE:Biennial Apples
From: "Charles McGonegal" <cpm@appletrue.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:39:09 -0500
Josh, if biennialism / alternation was an evolutionary strategy to avoid a
pest or avoid competition for a limited pollinator, or some other selection
pressure you can imagine, then it would make sense for trees and/or
cultivars to spread themselves out.
But biennialism is a side effect of overbearing, not a reproductive
strategy. And it's set in motion by external factors. E.g the weather. Nip
the blossoms one year - under produce. Trees all rested up next year -
bumper crop if not thinned properly. Trees not tired - under bloom
following year. You get the idea.
You can use aggressive thinnging to try to rest alternation - and you can
succeed until the next weather event triggers the cycle again.
It's more complicated than this, I'm sure. But that's the outline. And it
explain why all your neighbors see it at the same time. Same weather.
Charles
Aeppeltreow
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Subject: Re: Biennial Apples
From: steve selin <stevesgroups@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:36:10 -0400
Josh,
In Ithaca we have the same issue with the unmanaged and ?un-thinned'
trees on the same cycle. Here it is largely due to the strange spring we
had in 2012 where most trees flowered early and got frosted in April and
May. So we were off in 12, on in 13, off in 14, on in 15....
This syncing of the trees is easing a bit due to weather/pollination events
in microenvirnments. Large-scale weather events sync up trees to the same
cycle, and then over time they will become more randomly biennial. Until
there is another widespread event to get them in sync again.
Steve
South Hill Cider
560 W. King Rd.
Ithaca, NY
607.279.7563
SteveSelin@gmail.com <mailto:SteveSelin@gmail.com>
SouthHillCider.com <http://www.southhillcider.com/>
twitter: @SouthHillCider <https://twitter.com/SouthHillCider>
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Subject: Equipment Cleaning/Sanitization
From: Robert Thompson <trimille@telus.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:50:21 -0700
When cleaning empty tanks, I have been using caustic soda followed by an
acidifier and rinsing after each. If the tank is going to be re-used
immediately I follow these with a sanitizer like PAA. I am aware of a
cidery that is using sodium percarbonate followed by citric acid only, no
sanitizer. Is this regimen sufficient? I would certainly be happier using
less harsh (and fewer) chemicals for cleaning. Both of us pasteurize our
ciders.
Thanks!
Bob
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