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Cider Digest #1944
Subject: Cider Digest #1944, 27 February 2015
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Cider Digest #1944 27 February 2015
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Re: Cider Bottling (Claude Jolicoeur)
Re: Cider Digest #1943, 26 February 2015 (Simon Ingall)
RE: 3 gallon cider batch stuck at 1.009 (Andy Crown Brennan)
Cider press options ? ("Jeff VanElverdinghe")
Cider Bottling (John Howard)
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Subject: Re: Cider Bottling
From: Claude Jolicoeur <cjoliprsf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:08:54 -0500
In Cider Digest #1943, 26 February 2015
>Subject: Cider Bottling
>From: Mike Rose <mail@rosem.com>
>
>Realizing that the fermentation probably just paused (not stopped) due
>to the cold temperatures, I brought a small test bottle inside (68F) to
>see how far it will continue to ferment so I can make some bottling
>decisions. The test bottle is very small (150ml?), just enough for me to
>get a gravity reading.
This is a wise move. However, 3 or 6 days is a bit short to be sure
it is stopped. One month would be better...
>In the case that it is stuck -- what would you recommend as a way
>to restart it? Adding nutrient, yeast, or both? The problem I have is
>that my sample size is so small, it's hard to measure anything out that
>I could translate to my larger 3 gallon batch -- even that is
>very hard to measure such small doses.
Why would you want to restart it? Just bottle it at 1010. It might
ferment a bit in bottles, down to 1007 maybe? giving you just a good
fiz and a medium-dry cider
Claude Jolicoeur
Author, The New Cider Maker's Handbook
http://www.cjoliprsf.ca/
http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/the_new_cider_makers_handbook/
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1943, 26 February 2015
From: Simon Ingall <isthatafireparade@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 06:17:43 -0500
I am starting a small cidery in upstate ny, and I am interested in
purchasing a small gravity fed bottling system like one I used in the U.K.
this past fall but it is not sold in the US.
http://www.vigoltd.com/Catalogue/Filling/Bottle/Gravity-feed/Manual/Gravity-feed
-fillers
Can someone recommend a 3 or 4 bottle filler?
Thanks,
Simon Ingall
607.351.8400
grisamoreciderworks.com
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Subject: RE: 3 gallon cider batch stuck at 1.009
From: Andy Crown Brennan <CROWNARTS@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 08:09:37 -0500
Hello Mike,
I bottled one of our ciders too early last year, very similar to the
state your cider is in now. That batch was over carbonated by June so we
re-opened it to let the pressure out. Live and learn. If you can still
taste the sweetness, it's probably too soon. It will start up again, but I
would expect to wait until late April or May when ground temperatures are
warmer. Yeast are parallel to apple trees, they seem to break from dormancy
around the same time (April-ish in Zone 5.)
Well, it sounds like you have the making of a very good cider, but good
cider needs to be aged. You can push things along, all lab-like, but I
think it's better if the flavors come together in the vat, not in the
bottle. So I don't think there is any particular advantage to rushing it.
It's good you still have that sweetness, but just wait until it naturally
gets around 1.005/ .04 and use your champagne bottles. Even so, it may take
until July before a carbonation builds.
- -Andy
- --
Aaron Burr Cider
Hudson Valley/ Catskills NY
845.468.5867
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Subject: Cider press options ?
From: "Jeff VanElverdinghe" <jeffv.pe@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:22:57 -0800
Responses are included in the text below:
Any suggestions on:
- - ---available presses ?
Unfortunately, no.
- - ---how I might go about modifying the motors on a european press to work
with single phase 220 power ?
Do not modify the motor, modify your power.
A transformer can be used to increase the single-phase voltage from 220 VAC
to 480 VAC.
Many VFDs under 10 horsepower are rated to use single-phase power, but the
VFD typically needs to be derated by 50%, i.e. 10 hp VFD feeding a 5 hp
motor.
Lastly, the VFD needs to be configured to operate at a maximum of 50 Hz.
This combination can only work if the motor is rated for 400 V / 50 Hz /
3-phase
- - ---whether it makes sense to run a press with 3 phase / 400 V on a
generator setup ?
Yes, if the generator is designed to provide power that matches the needs of
the motor. (Volts, Amps, KW, Hz)
Note that the KW of the generator will need to be larger than the KW of the
motor due to the inrush current when the motor starts.
Jeffry L. VanElverdinghe, P.E.
jeffv.pe@gmail.com
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Subject: Cider Bottling
From: John Howard <jhoward@beckerfrondorf.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 20:34:44 +0000
Mike,
Since you only have three gallons, I would suggest bottling it all in the
champagne bottles and putting it back on the porch. As spring arrives it
will quite likely begin a slow fermentation again. Sample a bottle or two
every week or so until it gets to a nice balance of bubbles and residual
sugar and then put whatever bottles are remaining in a cold fridge to
enjoy over the early weeks of summer.
Cheers!
John Howard
Philadelphia PA
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