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Subject: Cider Digest #1839, 8 January 2014
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Cider Digest #1839 8 January 2014
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
variable capacity tank (martin schoffstall)
Re: Clearing a pommeau (Claude Jolicoeur)
response to an article (Teddy Weber)
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Subject: variable capacity tank
From: martin schoffstall <schoff@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 14:16:14 -0500
I agree with Rich, the variable capacity tanks are the way to go. for your
120 gallons, a 600 liter tank should do you well. i had extra cider this
year, didn't have the capacity in my variable tanks, and i do not like
results of the overage. too much oxidation.
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Subject: Re: Clearing a pommeau
From: Claude Jolicoeur <cjoliprsf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 18:08:48 -0500
In Cider Digest #1838, 6 January 2014
>Subject: Clearing a pommeau
>From: Peter Hoover <prh4@cornell.edu>
>Each year, in addition to making about 120 gallons of hard cider, I
>make some variant of pommeau. This year (2013), I made it from the
>unfiltered juice of sweated Kingston Black apples from my own orchard.
>Normally I add the juice to 120 to 146 proof fruit alcohol to achieve
>a final alcohol concentration of around 15 percent, and let the
>mixture sit in an unheated garage until the haziness settles out.
Hello Peter,
I don't have a miracle cure for this year's batch - the best I can
suggest is to take some sample bottles and apply different fining on
each sample, and see if one works..
For next year however, you might like to try keeving. The keeved
juice is perfectly clear hence when you mix it with the strong
alcohol, there is no haziness to settle.
Also, if you let this keeved juice ferment for a while before mixing
(say down to SG 1.040 for example), it will develop some very nice
aromas that may enhance your pommeau, while still retaining enough
sugar to make the pommeau sweet enough.
Claude
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Subject: response to an article
From: Teddy Weber <teddytweber@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 22:27:46 -0500
Hi Jason,
I have limited experience with the vb tanks but I'll tell you what I know
so far. I purchased two 500 liter Enotoscana variable capacity tanks this
fall. They are the basic "economy" flat bottom versions with one NPT outlet
at the bottom. So far they have worked beautifully for primary. The lid
gaskets and air pump work fine. However, the white plastic airlocks that
come with the tanks, and virtually all of these variable capacity tanks
I've looked at, are rather useless. They are fine for primary but your plan
to have a low pressure gas system for long term storage sounds like the
best approach I've heard of. In fact, thanks for the idea.
St Pats sells another airlock that they claim is better but frankly, if
you've got temperature swings ( I do too) I don't see how it could
completely keep the air out.
Another thing to think about: The flat bottom tanks need to be completely
tipped to drain when cleaning. If you are short on space, that could be a
factor. The more expensive versions of these variable capacity tanks that
include things like a sloped bottom to a tri-clamp outlet drain, tri clamp
outlet just above lees level, sampling valve, etc, could be well worth the
extra couple hundred bucks. My tanks came with cheap chrome spigots that
threaded into the bottom outlet. One of them reacted with the cider before
I could get a good stainless steel fitting on there and caused quite a bit
of corrosion- possibly enough to spoil the batch, I'm having it tested. So
steer clear of those. I've since installed ss tri-clamp fittings.
You may know all this but I thought I'd share my experience anyway.
Ted
from up in Warren, VT
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Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 21:49:29 -0700 (MST)
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