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Subject: Cider Digest #1741, 26 October 2012
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Cider Digest #1741 26 October 2012
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Cider-resistant concrete sealer? (Alan Yelvington)
heirlooms for cider ("Mike Beck")
UPDATED - Cider Conference 2013 (=?utf-8?Q?Cider=...)
Trying to get started in North Central PA (Jim Lord)
remembering Terry Maloney (Dick Dunn)
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Subject: Cider-resistant concrete sealer?
From: Alan Yelvington <alany@semparpac.org>
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:58:18 -0400
The floor for my cider shop in the barn
should get poured within the next week or so,
and I'm looking for a cider-resistant sealer
to put on it. My wallet is small, but I'm
open to all your experiences (epoxy stuff
included) so that I don't make a decision
that I regret later.
It's a small space (12 x 20), so tips on the
volume to cover the area would be appreciated
too.
The room will have raised sills around the
edges, so I'll be wanting to seal a 6"
vertical surface too.
I don't expect to put the coat on until
spring when things warm up, but I wanted to
get started on the research.
Many thanks in advance,
Al Yelvington
Happy Dog Farm
Russell, PA
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Subject: heirlooms for cider
From: "Mike Beck" <mjbeck@ujcidermill.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:53:04 -0400
Response from inquiry (CD#1739) about Heirloom Apples for cider.
Most of our ciders are from heirlooms so I think many you listed are great.
I would like to try some I have not. All I think could contribute at least
something to help make a cider more dynamic.
>>>>but we'd appreciate feedback as to if any are a definite yes! or no!
Varieties include:
Stayman - Acidic apple with vinous character.
Alexander - Not Familiar
Bramlee - Not Familiar
Vanderpool - Not Familiar
Winesap - Excellent cider apple, great blender, others use for a varietal.
Gravenstein - Acidic apple with nice flavors, A CA favorite.
whitney crabapple- Not Familiar
wolf river - Flavorless
wealthy - Not Familiar
northern spy - Great cider Apple, used by lots of MI & NY cidermakers.
Spitzenburg - Excellent cider apple with loads of acid and nice flavor.
Jubilee - Not Familiar
Gano - Not Familiar
grimes gold - rich fruity flavors, lots of sugar and decent acid
Cortland - Nice aromatic cider apple with mild acid.
Others to consider:
Baldwin - versatile as a blender and can hold up to be made into a varietal.
Winter Banana - If you can store them, they have great aromatics to
contribute.(nothing prettier in a bowl too)
RI Greening- Smack you in the face acid and green apple flavors.
<<<<
Hope that helps.
Mike beck
St. John's, MI
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Subject: UPDATED - Cider Conference 2013
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Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:09:58 +0000
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us know what you want to talk and learn about. Also take your guess at
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** CiderCON 2013
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February 7&8, 2013
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I am proud to announce that registration for Cider Conference 2013 in
Chicago, IL is now open.
In its 3rd year, CiderCon 2013 is THE PLACE for the Cider Industry to meet,
share ideas, collaborate, and affect positive changes in cidermaking
and cider fruit production best practices, the cider market and cider
regulations.
Please register early to insure your spot as the conference space is
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Highlights from this year's conference
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* Two Days of Cider Focused Workshops/Sessions - February 7 & 8, 2013
(http://ciderconference.com/schedule/)
* Key Note/Welcome address
* Trade Show with Cider Industry specific vendors (please tell
your favorite vendors - suppliers - about the opportunity)
(http://ciderconference.com/trade-show/)
* Expanded workshop/sessions topics with more depth into topics
* Beginning/Cidery in Planning workshop track
* Regulatory session to discuss proposed changes
* Trade Tasting for distributors, retailers and media
* Pre-conference Mixer - February 6, 2013
* Cider Summit Chicago at Navy Pier - February 9, 2013, 11am to
7pm. Public cider festival modeled after the popular Cider Summit
series (http://www.cidersummitnw.com/) in Oregon and Washington. This
is a separate event from CiderCON produced by Alan Shapiro
(mailto:alanmshapiro@sbs-imports.com) , though registered cider companies
at CiderCON get pouring priority.
Please forward this information to any cider company, distributor, and
retailer that may be interested in attending.
I hope to see you in Chicago.
Cheers,
James Kohn
Conference Organizer
503-361-2400
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Subject: Trying to get started in North Central PA
From: Jim Lord <magnusjager@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:23:47 -0400
Hello I'm kind of new to the list. I'm trying to to get a Hard Cider farm
winery started in The north Central PA area (Potter county PA). I am
trying to work on my business plan, and getting organized, but there are
not a lot of resources here to talk to. I'm trying to figure out how I
should organize my business, S-corp or what, when I should. What order to
do things in and what I need facility wise. It is really kind of
overwhelming. This would be my first business as well. So what I am
looking for is a "Cider Mentor". Someone in Pa who has gone through it who
is willing to help me with my questions and get me on the track. Right now
I am not even sure where the track is. Maybe tell me what to start with
and what can wait.
If anyone is willing to help me get started I would really appreciate it.
Jim Lord
magnusjager@gmail.com
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Subject: remembering Terry Maloney
From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 13:33:42 -0600
Some thoughts, with Franklin County Cider Days coming up...
Pressing apples on Wednesday, I started with Redfield, which inevitably put
me in mind of Terry Maloney. How I miss him! (Don't all of us who knew
him?) Terry died in January, 2010, but he's still very much in our
memories. He taught me a lot, even though I only spent time in person with
him on two occasions...we exchanged a lot of email.
Terry was a pioneer in the real revival of cider in America--Terry and his
wife Judith started West County Cider in 1984. Judith carries on with
West County with their son Field.
Redfield is an unusual red-fleshed apple, fiercely bittersharp, which makes
a beautiful red-pink cider. It was/is a signature cider of West County.
I feel that taming the Redfield really showed the skill of Terry's
cidermaking.
Terry was always helping the cider community. It seems like Cider Days
came to prominence mostly by the efforts of Terry and Judith. Terry also
helped us as individuals. The Redfields in my orchard were grafted from
scions Terry sent me. He fussed over whether he'd gotten good scions soon
enough, whether the grafts took, and all, until I was able to assure him
I had healthy young trees.
Terry was not only helpful in the extreme; he seldom (if ever) had a bad
word to say about anybody. He was a strong yet gentle person, rather
soft-spoken. This was a lesson and an example when there were tendencies
for cidermakers to get a bit overly competitive or snippy with one another.
After Wednesday's pressing of Redfield, I didn't have quite enough juice
for the batch size I wanted, so I added some Baldwin to bring it up to
quantity. IIRC Terry and Judith used Baldwin in their earlier Redfield
blends...so again I felt Terry's influence.
Actually, Terry taught me to appreciate the Baldwin. Earlier on, I had
felt like Baldwin was just too plain, especially for a SV cider. I was
all over the bittersweets and bittersharps, looking for over-the-top
character. But Terry showed me, over several years of gentle persuasion,
just what the Baldwin could do. What patience he had! More, he brought
me back toward balance in blending. Now Baldwin is one of my favorites.
His influence helped me mature as a cidermaker.
So, all of us who knew him or knew of him, raise a glass in his memory
at Cider Days time.
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Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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