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Cider Digest #1775
Subject: Cider Digest #1775, 24 April 2013
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Cider Digest #1775 24 April 2013
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Re: Cider "talking points" for Earth Day (Dick Dunn)
Re: Cider Digest #1774, 21 April 2013 (Stephen Wood)
Perry yeasts (Simon Pearce)
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Subject: Re: Cider "talking points" for Earth Day
From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:46:23 -0600
I don't know whether Mark and I disagree a lot...maybe, maybe not...
Mark Lattanzi <mark@thealchemystudio.com> replied to my "talking points"
posting:
> I'm not a fan of overly wonky environmental reasons to purchase or create
> locally grown foods and beverages.
I agree. Note that I started out with the premise that we drink cider
because it's good. Although I wanted to lay out my list of points, I
tried to emphasize (and will reiterate) that they are NOT the reasons to
drink cider.
Nevertheless, there's an increasing fraction of the general public who want
to know basics about where their food comes from and how it's made.
> They have very limited appeal among the vast consuming public and tend to
> attract quibblers who are more interested in arguing about numbers than
> enjoying a good glass of cider!
My premise on the "talking points" is while they may well be unnecessary
for most people, they don't do any harm. Mark, you might well disagree
with me on that if I understand the preceding, and if so let's focus on
that: Do they get in the way?
Certainly we want to sell the product, not the process.
Still, if we're offering those points as answers to questions, not pushing
them at people, it helps to have thought through them when you're asked.
We've had farm dinners here the past few years. Since cider is part of
the meal, I do a quick -optional- before-dinner walk/talk about cider.
The folks who come to these dinners are foodies for-sure, yet I still get
questions about the provenance of cider.
I don't need to come across as a bearded-barefoot aging child of the 60's
spouting environmentalist nonsense, but I'd also rather not have people
thinking of us in terms of corporate orchards run by bean-counters and
nozzleheads.
> And who would YOU rather bring into the cider-fold, a budding food and
> drink enthusiast or a nit picky curmudgeon with a pedantic axe to grind?
Well...I have to object that one can be both, because anything that exists
is possible. I'm a food and drink enthusiast (more bulging than budding,
alas), and I take some pride in being a nit-picky curmudgeon (e.g., you'll
notice I added the missing hyphen in your phrase).
But, back to your point, sure: You tell those quibblers you follow IPM
and they want to know why you're not organic. They have hissy-fits over
sulfites. Ad nauseam. No. Instead you figure out who the quibblers are
and don't spend your time on them.
I'll turn your question around: Who would you rather bring into the cider
fold: someone who isn't much interested in cider but drinks it because it's
"in" right now, or someone who's very curious and might even end up wanting
to be not just a cider-drinker but a cider-maker?
Lots of us "evangelize" for cider. We come at it from different angles.
I'm open to understanding what is negative, but I feel an environmental
analysis of our orchards is almost all positive.
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Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1774, 21 April 2013
From: Stephen Wood <swood@farnumhillciders.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2013 20:35:15 -0400
Lighten up, Mark. Or just go away after you've let us all know about your
fun on a Sunday afternoon at Walmart. In my view, Dick's right about some
things, and maybe not about others, but he's not making a huge fuss about
it. This is the way colleagues play and learn. Please join our collegial
disagreement. But don't be nasty, or you'll have to play with yourself
SW.
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Subject: Perry yeasts
From: Simon Pearce <pearcey80@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:30:34 +1200
Hi there folks,
I am about to embark on my first perry adventure, and would like to hear if
anyone can recommend a particular yeast that suits pears over cider. In the
past i have used natural and wine yeats for my cider with good results,
however would like to hear others experiences.
Cheers,
Simon.
www.ocider.co.nz
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