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Cider Digest #1763
Subject: Cider Digest #1763, 20 February 2013
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1763 20 February 2013
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Refermentation ("Derekbsst@gmail.com")
Re: Cider Digest #1762, 13 February 2013 ("rick@libertycider.com")
Fining Agents better suited for Cider ("Richard W. Bertsche")
Re: The new "USACM" (Dick Dunn)
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Subject: Refermentation
From: "Derekbsst@gmail.com" <derekbsst@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:22:00 -0800
Why is corny keg not considered as a large (relatively)
bottle? Refermentation is done in the keg to produce a sparkling cider
and yeast sinks to the bottom to be drawn off in the first glass. The
remaining cider is as clear as from Julian's bottle refermentation.
This is only useful for those who do not bottle and can continue to draw
straight from the keg.
Derek Bisset
Sent from my iPad
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1762, 13 February 2013
From: "rick@libertycider.com" <rick@libertycider.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 09:33:18 -0800
Gene:
I wondered the same thing myself, and spoke with three BC-based
cidermakers about it during the recent Chicago conference.
At least from these three (there were LOTS of Canadian folks there), the
answer was simply that the governmental/regulatory differences between
the US and Canada would present significant obstacles to the success of
a North American association. This, especially since a key function of
most such associations is to monitor and lobby on regulatory fronts.
Regarding cider and cidermaking, I'm sure the new US group will prove a
valuable resource to all North American producers - heck, there was even
a producer from Mexico City at the conference! But for legal advocacy,
having a US-based organization seems practical and smart.
Spokane, WA
On Feb 13, 2013, at 9:04 AM, cider-request@talisman.com wrote:
> Subject: The new "USACM"
> From: <cruise2@comcast.net>
> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 10:29:07 -0800
>
> I would like to understand the reasons behind limiting the new cider
> organization to US producers only.
>
> In this forum, and elsewhere, it is evident that the strengthening interest
> in cider, it's production, and enjoyment is taking place in Canada
> (everywhere from Quebec, to British Columbia), as well as here in the US.
> Everyone involved with this beverage is encountering the same problems and
> issues, Governmental issues excluded. I'm sure this was discussed in
> Chicago, but wouldn't a "North American ACM" create a stronger, and more
> unified organization than one which aggravates our northern friends through
> exclusion?
>
> Gene Davis
> Davis Products, LLC
> Auburn, Wa.
> davisproducts@comcast.net
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Subject: Fining Agents better suited for Cider
From: "Richard W. Bertsche" <rwb@bertsche.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 12:54:24 -0600
Does anyone have experience with fining/clarifying agents that work well
with cider.
I have a cider, fully fermented that has been cold cellared for over 3
months 40-45 degrees and it still is a cloudy as the day it was pressed.
In the past racking and time 2-3 months as always result in a very clear
cider. This time it is different.
Flavor is fine, not sure what the first step should be, pectin enzymes or
Other products, Sparkolloid, Spindasol-W-Gelatin.
Anyone who can offer some advice, would be greatly appreciated
Richard Bertsche
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Subject: Re: The new "USACM"
From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:28:35 -0700
It is curious to me that the new organization -announced- itself in the
press release we got as the "United States Association of Cider Makers"
(USACM), but the web site we were directed to now identifies it as "Cider
Association". Nevertheless, it's described as an organization of producers
in the United States. Wha'hoppen to the name? Seems like two key pieces
of information (that it's for US and for makers) fell off.
Also:
Gene Davis asked in the last CD:
> I would like to understand the reasons behind limiting the new cider
> organization to US producers only.
>
> In this forum, and elsewhere, it is evident that the strengthening interest
> in cider, it's production, and enjoyment is taking place in Canada
> (everywhere from Quebec, to British Columbia), as well as here in the US.
> Everyone involved with this beverage is encountering the same problems and
> issues, Governmental issues excluded...
But governmental issues are one of the major concerns, arguably the single
biggest matter which caused people to get together and work on forming the
association in the first place. Even though some folks (including some of
the start-up board) think legislative efforts should be pulled off to a
separate-but-related organization or sub-group, they're still important to
the organization.
>...I'm sure this was discussed in
> Chicago, but wouldn't a "North American ACM" create a stronger, and more
> unified organization than one which aggravates our northern friends through
> exclusion?
Are there aggravated Canadians who can speak to this? And I wonder, if
Canadians were invited into the organization, but then found it directed
to US concerns on legislation, wouldn't they be MORE aggravated?
Please realize also that creating and running an international organization
is a LOT more work.
- --
Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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