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Cider Digest #1693
Subject: Cider Digest #1693, 17 February 2012
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1693 17 February 2012
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Pectin haze ? ("Josh Klatt")
Kingston Black ("Eric C. Shatt")
Kingston Black ("Rich Anderson")
please curb your LinkedIn (Cider Digest Admin)
Re: Kingston Black (Dick Dunn)
Submission (Robert Benson)
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Subject: Pectin haze ?
From: "Josh Klatt" <josh@joshklatt.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:19:17 -0700
All of my 20 carboys of cider have a persistent haze - (I'm assuming
pectin ?) -- all, that is , except one carboy. This single carboy is
crystal clear with sediment at the bottom. It was treated exactly the
same as the others: sulfite at pressing, pitched yeast, fermaid K
nutrient twice, racked once (after completion of ferment) and sulfited
at racking (75 ppm SO2). Why would it be different from the others ?
Did I accidentally miss the 2nd sulfiting while I racked the others ?
Was there something in the carboy that didn't wash out and caused the
haze to clear ? Does SO2 affect the clarity ? What might be causing the
haze in the first place ?
Thanks for any suggestions !
Josh Klatt
josh@joshklatt.com
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Subject: Kingston Black
From: "Eric C. Shatt" <ecs222@cornell.edu>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:19:43 +0000
I know the general consensus is that Kingston Black is not the best cider
apple due to lack of production, but I feel I have had fairly good success.
I have Kingston Black on both M7 and G16. The G16 trees were planted
in 2004 and didn't start to bear until 2009. They have vigorous upright
growth that I have found limb spreading and somewhat minimalistic pruning
to help. I would almost recommend only pruning where needed to maintain
the central leader (if this is your growing style) and leave the vigorous
upward growing shoots on the ends of your scaffold branches. These will
spur up eventually and further help with limb spreading as the trees bear.
I also had some considerable girdling from rabbits one winter and it was
interesting to observe the amount of fruiting spurs and blossom buds that
developed on these trees the year after they were damaged by the rabbits.
The M7 trees I have where planted in 2006 and this past year I started
to get fruit, interestingly some trees had half a bushel others had a few
apples and this did not seem to correlate with vigorous / or devigored trees,
it seemed random. I am currently thinking a dwarf stock is a better choice
for this variety. It is hard to intentionally girdle a tree but I would
bet that if you have Kingston Black trees that will not bear a large crop
and try taking a knife and cutting the bark off one side of the tree you'll
see yields the following year. I also think it is well worth figuring out
how to grow this apple because it is in my opinion one of the best apples
for cider as far as acidity/ tannin, fruit flavors, brix, etc...
Eric Shatt - Burdett, NY
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Subject: Kingston Black
From: "Rich Anderson" <rhanderson@centurytel.net>
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:42 -0800
I have about 150 Kingston Black on M9 in very fine loam Western Washington
soil. While not a heavy bearing tree, for the most part they bear annually,
heavily one year and lighter the next. Per the literature they are prone to
canker. Why not try a different root stock or try a top graft to something
else?
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Subject: please curb your LinkedIn
From: cider-request@talisman.com (Cider Digest Admin)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 18:07:28 -0700 (MST)
Folks -
Those of you using LinkedIn, please beware that it is relatively easy to
slip up and end up inviting everyone in your address book to add themselves
to "your professional network".
Don't do it deliberately--there's no point in inviting either cider or
cider-request to join you on LinkedIn, nor befriend you, tweet at you,
etc.
But I do understand that social-networking software can be aggressive in
seeking contacts. If I see these requests I'll let you know--just in case
you don't realize you've triggered them. But I won't hold them against
you.
Dick
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Subject: Re: Kingston Black
From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 17:15:49 -0700
Jack -
Your problems with Kingston Black are definitely out of the ordinary.
Yes, it's a "shy cropper"--but shouldn't be THAT shy!
You've set out the relevant facts for us, and you're an established
grower so it shouldn't be anything obvious. The only thing I can see
to latch on to is that you say you have plenty of blossom but almost no
fruit set, in spite of good varieties and insects for pollination.
Can you tell anything about what goes on late in bloom? Eg do the
blossoms fall quickly or do they hang on as if possibly pollinated,
then drop?
Anything unusual about the foliage or growth habit of the tree?
What's left? I dunno! Some sort of micro-nutrient deficiency? Or
a strange rootstock incompatibility?
- --
Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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Subject: Submission
From: Robert Benson <rwbenson_79@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:14:49 -0600
Hi, I am thinking about buying a bladder press for small-batch blending
experiments. Can anyone from this community speak to their experience with
one of these, versus a smaller hydraulic press, such as a Goodnature X-1?
I'm mainly just looking for confirmation that I'm not treading down an
ill-advised path. I expect to use this with antique apple varieties.
It seems bladder presses are marketed more towards the wine community here
in the Midwest. Thank you.
Bob Benson, Greenfield Cider
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