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Subject: Cider Digest #1708, 24 April 2012
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Cider Digest #1708 24 April 2012
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
RE: Cider Digest #1706, 16 April 2012 ("Jeff Schwartz")
RE: Ben Watson 1707 (Peter Mitchell)
Re: Urgent Call for Discussion (Alan Yelvington)
Non-Urgent Call for Discussion (james kohn)
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Subject: RE: Cider Digest #1706, 16 April 2012
From: "Jeff Schwartz" <jeff@freshapplecider.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:39:25 -0600
I am interested in buying the sx280...
jeff schwartz jeff@freshapplecider.com
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Subject: RE: Ben Watson 1707
From: Peter Mitchell <lotic@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 05:25:14 -0400
Mr. Watson,
Well written, thank you.
I agree with your statement that we "Digesters" should currently limit
our legislative discussions to two points: ABV and CO2.
Those are the current issues for which we stand the possibility of
developing a critical mass in the time allotted.
To that end, I endorse the proposal to raise the ABV to 8.5%, and to
allow for an increase in CO2 concentration.
I leave it to greater minds (and pocket books) than mine to draft such
legislation and to seek its passage.
Peter Mitchell
Headwater Cider
Hawley, MA
PS- Still hoping that, some day, we can tilt at the windmill that is the
USDA-NOSB.
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Subject: Re: Urgent Call for Discussion
From: Alan Yelvington <alany@semparpac.org>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:19:53 -0400
I have been following this thread with interest. I retired from a federal
regulatory agency, and I've participated on a working group writing a
federal regulation.
Here's my personal "insider" perspective:
Good regulations are written with the active participation of the group
that is being regulated. The issue that commercial ciders are being
produced that are not in compliance with the CFR is unacceptable since
it's a reflection of a poorly informed regulatory group.
Although it takes an Act of Congress to revise the U.S. Code, the Code
of Federal Regulations is in the domain of the agencies tasked with
upholding the Code. That said, I recommend going directly to that
agency to identify who is responsible for the sections impacting cider.
If there is a Federal Advisory Counsel, you want to find out when their
next public meeting is and request permission to present your case
in the broadest terms. Steering groups chartered under the Federal
Advisory Committee Act (FACA) are run by appointed officials and have
tremendous clout. You want to be in that room with your ducks in a row.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Advisory_Committee_Act
Given the budget cut-backs, it's possible that there may not be a lot
of enthusiasm to rewrite the regs. Federal agencies abhor Congressional
inquiries for a lot of good reasons, but it does get a fire under their
collective hind ends. Identifying the elected official that chairs oversite
for that agency can certainly speed the process up.
My personal experience is that rewrites are a lot of work, and that
you're not likely to get another shot for quite a while since there will
be competition for limited resources. Identify ALL of your issues now,
provide supporting documentation, and lobby HARD for ALL of them at once.
The federal government is a remarkable machine that runs much better than the
pundits give it credit for. The people that are frustrated by the feds are
the people that don't work with the system for change that already exists.
Al Yelvington
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Subject: Non-Urgent Call for Discussion
From: james kohn <james.a.kohn@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:58:09 -0700
Please see the following link to find out the progress from the group that
was tasked at the Cider Conference with addressing the major issues facing
the Cider Industry. Progress has been taking place over a number of years
and input from all interested parties is very valuable. Please contact your
regional representatives which can be found at the below website, if you
have any questions or concerns.
http://ciderconference.com/federal-regulation-info/
- --
James Kohn
Wandering Aengus Ciderworks
NEW LOCATION
4070 Fairview Industrial Drive, SE
Salem, OR 97302
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