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Cider Digest #1701
Subject: Cider Digest #1701, 26 March 2012
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Cider Digest #1701 26 March 2012
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
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Re: cider apple yields (Dick Dunn)
Mike Faul (Jack O Feil)
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Subject: Re: cider apple yields
From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:10:02 -0600
Mike Faul <mfaul@faul.net> wrote:
> I'm looking for yield information for various cider apples.
> I have a 600' tall hill with approx 50 acres of well drained rocky soil.
...
> Summers are hot. Winters are cold and there is plenty of water...
...
> Area is in USDA zone 8b/9a Right on the border.
To my thinking, 8b/9a isn't cold at all (tho USDA zones are problematic).
My concern is whether you'll have enough winter chill.
By the "official" numbers, if you can actually get 1000 hours or more
below 45F your choices are not much limited by chill. If you're under
500 you're going to have to look for low-chill varieties before
considering yield.
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Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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Subject: Mike Faul
From: Jack O Feil <feilorchards@juno.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:37:07 -0700
There are issues you need to consider at your site. One is winter
hardiness, most apple trees can take 10 degrees below zero if dormant.
However if you want to grow a variety that is not winter hardy you can
plant a winter hardy tree such as Antonovka and graft to the leaders when
they form, most winter damage is to the trunk and crotch so you want to
graft above those areas.
Another issue is heat, for example Hewe's Crab and Ribston Pippin
handle early and misfeasor heat poorly, turn mushy very quickly, I'm sure
there are other varieties like that so you want to consider ripening time
or when you want to do your pressing.
Sounds like you have an ideal location for lessening frost
damage, on an elevated hill where the cold air drains down like water to
lower places.
Another thing to lookup is biennial bearing and many cider
varieties have that problem, desert apple too, that means one crop every
two years, hardly acceptable.
You are undertaking a quite a project and research is your key to
success.
Regards and good luck, Jack/Feil (1908) Family
Orchard
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