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Cider Digest #1699
Subject: Cider Digest #1699, 13 March 2012
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1699 13 March 2012
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
Apple Orchard Lease ()
Re: Cider Digest #1698, 9 March 2012 (Irvine)
Capper (WhetstoneCiderWorks)
Re specific gravities ("Geoff D.")
question for the digest re: tax exempt cider (Hunter Wade)
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Subject: Apple Orchard Lease
From: <kirknkim@htcnet.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:35:23 -0500
I am in the process of securing a couple of leases for 1 acre apple orchards,
and looking for several more over next couple of years, and wondered if
anyone out there has ever done it and can provide examples of leases.
I will be building fences (deer proof, if there is such a thing) and of
course planting and maintaining the orchard so I am thinking of a 25 to
30 year lease. This is for commercial cider apple production but I am not
in the business of making cider yet....it???ll be a few years.
Thanks for any info anyone could provide.
Kirk Billingsley
Monterey, VA USA
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1698, 9 March 2012
From: Irvine <sketchpub@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 21:49:43 -0500 (EST)
Hi,
I agree with encouraging the TTB to adopt the recommendations that will
bring our (American) cider in line with EU standards regarding alcohol and
CO2 pressure.
I would also suggest that we adopt a definition of cider that would read,
to the effect, "Cider is the fermented juice of freshly gathered apples."
Ron Irvine
Irvine's Vintage Cider
Vashon Island, WA
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Subject: Capper
From: WhetstoneCiderWorks <whetstoneciderworks@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:52:35 -0500
Dick asked about cappers which would allow one to comfortably cap
several hundred bottles in a session. In the last year I borrowed and
tried numerous available cappers and settled on a well made older "slot
machine" style capper. All of the new units I tried felt chintzy and poorly
made, and were awkward to use. The old capper I have is solid steel with
well-machined gears on it and there is a great deal of adjustability for
different bottle heights, which allowed me to cap at a comfortable level.
I had this bolted to a table so that when capping my fist on the lever
was at or around shoulder height and near my torso, so my body weight was
doing the work. The other nice thing about this old unit is that the
handle is reversible so you could flip it around and cap with the other
hand to alleviate imbalance. We bottled around 450 bottles per session
and I experienced no discomfort from this operation.
The bottles we use take a 29mm crown cap, so to accommodate this
I inverted the piston on the capper, so that the original bell faces up.
i tapped out the other end and threaded in a length of threaded rod which
a 29mm bell can thread on to. In other words, if you look at my capper it
has 2 bells on it, one facing up and one facing down towards the bottle.
If I want to use the original 26mm bell I merely have to unthread the 29mm
bell and the piston will slide up and out.
While this unit has no depth stop per se, I always felt as if I had
enough feedback to know when to stop, and the caps were consistently dimpled
in the center. As I said above, the newer cappers I tried couldn't hold
a candle to the solid feel and durability of good old fashioned engineering.
The unit I have is very similar to this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-cast-iron-bottle-capper-Made-in-USA-/28083818295
3?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4163429829#ht_272wt_47
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Subject: Re specific gravities
From: "Geoff D." <71tarlington@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:06:24 -0500
The 800 gallon tank was measured at 10.5 brix, the 600 was 11 brix. Hope
that helps...
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Subject: question for the digest re: tax exempt cider
From: Hunter Wade <hunterhwade@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:33:58 -0700
Hi Dick, thanks for your work - we really appreciate the Digest. Here's
our question:
*We are a small apple farm in California and want to produce hard cider
this year. We want to produce it under 24.76 Tax exempt
cider<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=506cf0c03546efff9
58847134c5527d3&rgn=div5&view=text&node=27:1.0.1.1.19&idno=27#27:1.0.1.1.19.3.33
2>
.*
*I have called the TTB many times and am talking with a Technical Advisor,
Wine Excise Tax (TTB) about Tax Exempt Cider. The first advisor was very
nice and recommended I speak with a second advisor who has expertise in
24.76 . The second advisor responded to my detailed questions with 4 small
paragraphs that were copied and pasted from the TTB site. They did not in
any way answer my questions or give us enough clarification to make the tax
exempt cider with confidence that we understood how do do it legally. I am
still trying to get answers from the Technical Advisor but thought some of
you cider makers and enthusiasts may have experience with the exemption
that you could share. *
*Are any of you currently making tax exempt cider, know of anyone making
tax exempt cider, or understand the tax exemption enough to shed more light
on it? We are simply trying to follow the law and are concerned that we
will get busted by the feds for bootlegging when we thought we were legally
following the exemption. *
*Thank for the help!*
*Hunter Wade*
*Cell: 301 992 8336*
*Email: hunterhwade@gmail.com*
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