Cider Digest #1596

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Subject: Cider Digest #1596, 23 November 2010 
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Cider Digest #1596                                         23 November 2010 

                 Cider and Perry Discussion Forum 

Contents: 
  Re: Cider Digest #1595, 17 November 2010, slides from Claude (Lauren Shepard) 
  Re: slides from Claude Jolicoeur talk at Cider Days (Claude Jolicoeur) 
  RE:Should I add campden tablets to UV treated freshly pressed cider (lotic...) 
  RE: Sources of cider apple trees (lotic@juno.com) 

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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1595, 17 November 2010, slides from Claude 
From: Lauren Shepard <lauren@sheltonbrothers.com> 
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 09:14:26 -0700 

Subject: slides from Claude Jolicoeur talk at Cider Days 
From: Jay Hersh <jsh@doctorbeer.com> 
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:07:11 -0500 

my wife and I attended Claude Jolicoeur's talk about blending. He gave a 
URL where he said he'd be putting the slides up but when we went to it to 
try to grab them the site didn't exist. Perhaps we wrote it down wrong. 

Does anyone associated with Cider Day or who attended know the correct URL 
or have a copy of Claude's slides that they could send me? 

Thanks, 

Jay Hersh 
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Here's the correct link to Claude Jolicoeur's slides: 

http://cjoliprsf.awardspace.biz/Documents.htm 

Cheers, 
Lauren Shepard 

Shelton Brothers 
720.897.7086 
www.sheltonbrothers.com 
lauren@sheltonbrothers.com 

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Subject: Re: slides from Claude Jolicoeur talk at Cider Days 
From: Claude Jolicoeur <cjoli@gmc.ulaval.ca> 
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:48:08 -0500 

In Cider Digest #1595, 17 November 2010 
>Subject: slides from Claude Jolicoeur talk at Cider Days 
>From: Jay Hersh <jsh@doctorbeer.com> 
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:07:11 -0500 
> 
>my wife and I attended Claude Jolicoeur's talk about blending. He gave a 
>URL where he said he'd be putting the slides up but when we went to it to 
>try to grab them the site didn't exist. Perhaps we wrote it down wrong. 

Sorry about this, Jay, but I hadn't noticed this web site was case 
sensitive. I am not too sure if it is my page or the host that does this - 
I will have to find out! 
The link is: 
http://cjoliprsf.awardspace.biz/Documents.htm 
with a capital D at Documents... 
Claude 

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Subject: RE:Should I add campden tablets to UV treated freshly pressed cider 
From: lotic@juno.com 
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:57:56 -0500 

Mr. Waller, 

        I assume that your source of sweet cider is using a "CiderSure" 
system or the equivalent. 
If used properly, this machine IS pasteurizing the cider. It is 
performing UV pasteurization, NOT heat pasteurization. 

Either form of pasteurization (when performed effectively) will kill off 
bacteria. 
That said, you should realize that it will NOT kill off wild yeast. If it 
is your objective to ferment with a "known" yeast, rather than produce a 
"farm-style" product, then you will want to sulfite your sweet cider 
before the addition of the known yeast. 

Also, Campden tablets are expensive and inaccurate. I suggest purchasing 
either Sodium Metabisulfite or Potassium Metabisulfite and mixing up some 
sulfite solution. Either is probably available from a local brew supply 
store. If you are not equipped to measure Total AND Free SO2, I suggest 
adding 100mg of SO2 (total) per 1 liter of sweet cider. Let the cider 
stand for at least 24 hours. Then, add your favorite yeast. That should 
be effective in killing off wild yeast and dissipate in time to allow 
your favorite yeast to do its stuff. 

You may also want to consider sterilizing all your carboys with either 
SO2, or PAA (peroxyacteic acid) prior to use. 

Yes, yes, some of you out there are shaking your heads. Thinking, "That's 
overkill!" Maybe. But I would rather not waste my time (and cider) on a 
batch that may go bad. 

My two-cents. 
- -Pete Mitchell 
(No, not the guy from Britain) 

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Subject: RE: Sources of cider apple trees 
From: lotic@juno.com 
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 20:18:01 -0500 

Mr. Brown, 
        I have had VERY good luck with Cummins Nursery (Ithaca, NY). 
They have generations of knowledge, a great selection, and have their 
thumb on the pulse of the latest research going on at Cornell. 
As you may know, the "G" in rootstock designation stands for "Geneva". 
The Cornell Agi. Experiment Station is in Geneva, NY. (an hour from 
Ithaca). 

To be sure, there are many nurseries (perhaps some closer to you). There 
are also "tree brokers" who can search nurseries for you. All should come 
up on a Google search. 

That said, what is it you like about M7s? I have a few of them. They are 
free-standing, rugged, well-anchored, hardy, vigorous, but rather large. 
Do you want to grow apples or wood? There are several other varieties 
that are smaller (yet still free-standing), mature earlier, have 
increased disease resistance, and won't sucker as badly. Ok, ok, 
suckering is not that bad a thing. If a mature M7 tree dies, then perhaps 
you can graft onto one of the surviving root suckers. But, until that day 
comes, you'll be burning out your weed whackers, and re-wrapping your M7s 
as the suckers pop out of the ground at the base, and along your root 
systems. Still, if "pick your own" is what you want, then M7s will 
tolerate a LOT of abuse from the public. 

So, get on Google. Check out Cummins' website. Give 'em a call. Tell them 
I sent you.....and they'll charge you double!  ;) 

- -Pete Mitchell 

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