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Cider Digest #1612
Subject: Cider Digest #1612, 2 February 2011
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Cider Digest #1612 2 February 2011
Cider and Perry Discussion Forum
Contents:
COLA's for Cider ("Rich Anderson")
a floater question (seth jones)
Cider Apple Scionwood ("shawn@blossomwoodcidery.com")
Press difficulties ("Stuart J Madany")
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Subject: COLA's for Cider
From: "Rich Anderson" <rhanderson@centurytel.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:33:05 -0800
You might take another look at the Federal labeling regulations. I believe
there are alternatives to having to go through the COLA process for cider.
It is my understanding if it is less than 7%, labeling can be done to FDA
standards which do not require approval, just adherence. Having said this,
I do not know what the FDA standard is for the term "Organic". I am not a
attorney and understanding Federal regulations is no easy task. I did
settled the issue to my satisfaction over decade ago with the TTB and the
State LCB. Needless to say my abv is 6.8% and all ingredients are fully
disclosed along with appropriate disclosures for sulfites, government
warning and producer information which are found on wine labels. This seems
to satisfy everyone and it keeps the federal and state tax rates low.
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Subject: a floater question
From: seth jones <sethjones@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:07:11 -0500
Bit of an off topic question: I was racking off my carboys last night
and in the bottom of one was the bloated body of a dead mouse. Must
have fallen in during primary ferment when I left it open overnite. My
first question was to dump or keep the batch, however my gag reflex
answered that one. Fortunately it was a batch from some dessert apples
and not that important to me. Thank goodness he didn't climb into one
of the Kingston Black carboys right next to it. Not sure what I would
have done...
Here's my question: Of the five carboys I put up from the same
pressing of mixed dessert apples four remained thick and cloudy. Only
the one with the mouse in it dropped totally clear with a large build
up of lees at the bottom. What caused this? Half joking but it does
intrique me... Anyone?
I've read about the old timers throwing meat in their ciders but don't
think it's related.
Thanks
Seth Jones
Wits End Orchard
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Subject: Cider Apple Scionwood
From: "shawn@blossomwoodcidery.com" <shawn@blossomwoodcidery.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:12:40 -0500 (EST)
Hello all, if anyone is looking for dormant scionwood (for grafting this
winter/spring) I have a fairly good quantity of the following varieties:
Kingston Black
Somerset Redstreak
Muscadet de dieppe
Esopus Spitzenburg
Ashmead's Kernel
Frequin Rouge
Lebret
Reine De Pomme
Smith Cider
Dabinett
Harry Masters Jersey
Chisel Jersey
Ellis Bitter
Ashton Bitter
Golden Russet
Cap of Liberty
Zabergau Reinette
Cannon Permain
Graniwinkle
Vilberie
Porters Perfection
Sweet Coppin
For information on ordering (February 28 deadline) email or call
Shawn Carney 970-856-3220
shawn@blossomwoodcidery.com
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Subject: Press difficulties
From: "Stuart J Madany" <stuart@castlehillcider.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:19:56 -0500
Hello. We are in our first year pressing with a used Goodnature SX 280. It
was all going smoothly for a while, but now while pressing well-sweated
Albemarle (Newtown) Pippins, the press racks want to rise or dive between
the bags. The force is enough to break several of the cable ties on each
pressing, and even to bend the bars on the scissor mechanism! The ties are
definitely installed with enough slack to allow the scissor mechanism to
fully close. The pectin may be a factor because when we use both pectinase
and rice hulls, we seem to lose fewer ties. The problem is significantly
greater on a second pressing than the first. This may be because the pomace
is vertically much less evenly distributed in the bags. Nonetheless it
happens on first presses as well.
Goodnature suggested having the top ties snug and the bottom loose, as well
as making sure our speed is slow enough, but that hasn't eliminated the
issue.
Has anyone encountered this situation? Has anyone found a solution?
I have posted a video of the racks moving and ties snapping to help make the
situation clear. It's at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC3J8DAs2Jc
Thanks for your thoughts.
Stuart J Madany
Castle Hill Cider
Keswick, VA
434.963.4600
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