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Cider Digest #1451
Subject: Cider Digest #1451, 6 June 2008
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1451 6 June 2008
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Archives updated (Cider Digest Admin)
Cortland perfume (Charles Mcgonegal)
Re: Cortland "perfumey"? (Claude Jolicoeur)
RE: Cortland "perfumey"? (Shawn Carney)
Cider apples in Australia (david.pickering@dpi.nsw.gov.au)
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Subject: Archives updated
From: cider-request@talisman.com (Cider Digest Admin)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 23:18:27 -0600 (MDT)
I finally got the end-of-year changes done (yes, that's end of 2007!) for
the archive packages at www.talisman.com/cider
Normally I wait a little while into the new year so that the "current year"
directory isn't so sparse...I leave a handful from the previous year for a
while. But I'll grant that procrastinating until early June is pushing the
concept past the limit!
(At least everything was somewhere.)
Dick
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Subject: Cortland perfume
From: Charles Mcgonegal <cpm@appletrue.com>
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:58:24 -0500
The strain/climate combo we have here leans to flowery (rather than
the spicy richness I've had in Canadian cortland pomme a glac??).
Its especially pronounced if the fruit has sweated until the base color
has really gone yellow and a greasy bloom has developed. It comes
through in the sweet cider.
As to how it expresses in the finished cider, check an appely you
might still have around. Its about a third cortland.
Charles McGonegal
AEppelTreow Winery
Elegant Hard Cider and Orchard Wines
>>Sent from my iPhone<<=
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Subject: Re: Cortland "perfumey"?
From: Claude Jolicoeur <cjoli@gmc.ulaval.ca>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 00:38:21 -0400
In Cider Digest #1450, 27 May 2008
>Subject: Cortland "perfumey"?
>From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
>
>Last year I had enough excess Cortland fruit to try a couple variations.
>First one into bottle, just recently, was pure Cortland (odd choice perhaps,
>but Claude has done notably well with it). It is low-tannin as expected,
>perhaps a bit high in acidity but not bad, and I decided to bottle it with
>a fair bit of carbonation as a "summer cider"--it's not assertive but quite
>refreshing as such.
Dick,
I agree - Cortland cider is not the one that will have the most character,
but nicely carbonated, it makes an excellent festive drink.
>The puzzle is that I get a flowery note from it as it warms up a bit.
>Shawn Carney was here last weekend and we tasted it then; Shawn commented
>on it just as I was about to do so. It's somewhat sweet, seems sweeter
>than apple-blossom scent (I think maybe possibly perhaps). Reminds me
>of just a slight hint of Lily of the Valley, which comes to mind because
>it's in bloom right here right now. I noticed it last weekend and again
>several times this week (finishing off the last of the keg after bottling).
>
>Anybody else notice this with Cortland? If you have a cider with Cortland
>in it, would you plz look for this effect?
I find it hard to appreciate from your description... Maybe you should
bring a few bottles to CiderDay next fall for a better appreciation, and we
could compare! I usually consider my Cortland ciders very neutral and
clean, without any special bouquet. Sometimes, however, Cortland apples
bought at the supermarket and grown in a more southern location have a
special flavor that I have never tasted in my home grown Cortlands.
Claude Jolicoeur
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Subject: RE: Cortland "perfumey"?
From: Shawn Carney <shawn@blossomwoodcidery.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:11:56 -0400
Alright call me out by name!
>Cortland seems to me to be an under-appreciated, yet puzzling, apple for
>part or all of a cider.
I suppose I have to eat a little bit of crow and admit that Dick makes a darn
good Cortland cider, I was actually expecting a bit more acid than it had
so when I took my first sip... squinting my eyes... bracing myself for that
"eating apple cider bite" I was pleasantly surprised. I have made cider
with some floral notes on the nose but this was a little more intense, but
pleasant. I may even graft one of my prize red delicious over to a Cortland.
Shawn
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Subject: Cider apples in Australia
From: david.pickering@dpi.nsw.gov.au
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:06:33 +1000
I'm taking the liberty of sending this to both the CIder Digest and the UK
Cider group to get the information out to as many people as possible.
For those Cider Digest subscribers 'down under' - and anyone else with an
interest - I have just finished the revision of the NSW DPI cider webpage.
The pdf on cider apple growing also carries a link to information on some
additional cider varieties - or use the separate web address below.
This second group of fifteen is the first listing of 'new' ciders
following my trip to the UK and France last October.
The information collected from from the UK and France has been used to
assess fruit sent up this summer/autumn by the Tasmanian DPI&W. The second
fifteen is the listing of varieties that appear to be true-to-type and
brings the total of cider varieties in Australia to thirty. A substantial
proportion of the number now available are French in origin. There are
further varieties in the assessment pipeline but these are waiting on
either fruit next season in Australia or information from overseas.
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/horticulture/pomes/apples/cider
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/agriculture/horticulture/pomes/apples/additional-cider
-varieties
David Pickering
Orange Agricultural Institute, NSW Dept of Primary Industries
Forest Road, Orange, NSW 2800, Australia
david.pickering@dpi.nsw.gov.au
phone 02 6391 3800 fax 02 6391 3899 mobile 042 727 1477
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