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Cider Digest #1202
Subject: Cider Digest #1202, 24 February 2005
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1202 24 February 2005
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Re: Archives (Cider Digest Janitor)
Re: Cider Digest #1201, 21 February 2005 (Al Matheson)
Bulk aging Vs. Bottle aging? ("deva maas")
Re: ice cider ()
Re: Cider apples/juice in Victoria or emulation thereof (Dick Dunn)
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Subject: Re: Archives
From: cider-request@talisman.com (Cider Digest Janitor)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:40:50 -0700 (MST)
Claude Jolicoeur <cjoli@gmc.ulaval.ca> writes:
> In CD 1200, Tristan McLeay wrote:
> >Sorry for asking a species of question that's probably been asked so
> >many times already, but searching the archives of this list didn't
> >seem to turn anything up useful to me (maybe I used the wrong words),
> >and if Google is my friend, I haven't learnt the language yet...
> *******
> I have to agree with you. The archives of the CD are zipped - this reduces
> the size of the files, but makes them almost impossible to search...
Let me clarify a point here: the (talisman.com) archives are intended to
allow you to retrieve them as efficiently as possible, -not- to search
them. So, Claude's reaction is correct, but in effect I reply "It's not
a bug; it's a feature!"
Still I admit, the problem remains, how to search the archives. (Oh, it's
not a problem for me here...I can search the entire history of the digest
in milliseconds, since it's all on my local disk. But YMMV:-)
>...Google
> will not find anything in the archives. The only way for you to do it is to
> copy all the archive files to a folder in your computer and unzip them. You
> will then be able to make a search.
> A nice thing would be if the archives were indexed. However, this would be
> a lot of work.
There are two separate issues here. Making a transparent (un-zipped or
un-tarred) archive is one thing; indexing is quite another. It would take
me no more than an hour or so to make an uncompressed collection of all the
digests, and if there is sufficient interest I'll do just that. (PLEASE!
If so, send notes to cider-request! Don't "vote" via digest postings!) My
concern in doing so is that people will try to retrieve the entire 1200+
digests one-at-a-time when they want their own complete copy of the
archives, instead of grabbing a dozen compressed archive files.
One trouble with indexing is that there's occasional very-wrong info in the
digests. There is no editing, so it's stream-of-consciousness material,
with no way to catch out the mistakes. If you index it, you really want to
un-index (or mark specially) the postings which contain wrong information.
That is at least two orders of magnitude harder than just indexing. In
terms of actually making it happen, it requires someone with both technical
skills and cidermaking background, willing to work gratis on a mostly-
tedious task. Hard to find!
- --the janitrosity
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1201, 21 February 2005
From: Al Matheson <citabriair@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:58:47 -0800 (PST)
Hoping someone can provide information on a source for
heavy filter/press blankets????
Also hoping for recommendations on a GOOD stainless
chredder for pulping the apples next season
Al Matheson
Nail 213... Cedar City, Utah
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Subject: Bulk aging Vs. Bottle aging?
From: "deva maas" <devamaas@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:08:41 -0800
I'm interested in the differences between cider that is bulk aged (5+ gal.)
thru the summer and bottle aged cider, aged under the same conditions. Is
there more of a chance for natural mal-lactic fermentation in bulk aged
cider, with a little sediment verses bottled cider,( bottled without
sulfur)? What are the risks of storing dry cider in carboys or stainless
steel throughout the summer in a cellar where temperatures top out around
70-75 F verses in bottles? Are there any know benefits to flavor that will
occur with bulk aging or is it just a matter of being certain fermentation
is complete.
Thanks for all the great insight.....Eric c. Shatt----Burdett,N.Y.
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Subject: Re: ice cider
From: <stadnik@attglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:40:26 -0500
Pup's Cider is experimenting a bit with Ice Cider this year. Claude
Jolicoeur's recent post (in CD #1201) covered all the bases, so no need to
repeat it. Everything else, method of freezing, starting and ending gravity,
apple choices, etc. are really matters of local climate, personal taste, or
local fruit availability. If anybody is interested in the formal Quebec
definition of ice cider, they should visit:
http://www.appleicewine.com/icecider-icecider.asp . The only other practical
point to add is dress warmly and definately wear gloves!
Rich Stadnik
Pup's Cider Co.
Greenfield, NH www.pupscider.com
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Subject: Re: Cider apples/juice in Victoria or emulation thereof
From: Dick Dunn <rcd@talisman.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:01:40 -0700
In digest 1200, Tristan McLeay <thecartographers@gmail.com> asked (among
other matters):
>...Failing that, is it possible to emulate cider apple juice with, say,
> normal apple juice and various added chemicals, like malic acid (or in
> some totally different manner).
In a rough generalization, the main difference between normal apple juice
and cider apple juice (i.e., ignoring the properties for pressing) is the
tannins in the cider juice. You should be able to find juice with enough
acidity. In fact common eating apples may have too much, but you can
usually find some other juice to blend that down. You'd want to be sure
you've got enough sugar in the juice, to get up to at least SG 1.045.
Getting the tannin is the hardest problem.
With a little luck and some hunting around for apple trees, you can often
find wildings that are quite tannic (bitter), and if you can get some of
those pressed, a bit of that juice will help your cider a lot.
Folks have tried using the tannin powder available in homebrew/wine shops.
It's some manner of extract from grape. The results have generally not
been favorable. You dare not add very much or you pick up an odd off
taste along with the tannins.
- --
Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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