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Cider Digest #1246
Subject: Cider Digest #1246, 10 August 2005
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1246 10 August 2005
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Cider Books (Andrew Lea)
Re: Cider Equipment/supplies (Terence Bradshaw)
Re: Cider Digest #1245, 5 August 2005 (Michael Faul)
Bottling mediumsweet cider (Donald Davenport)
cider book source (Cider Digest Admin)
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Subject: Cider Books
From: Andrew Lea <andrew_lea@compuserve.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:06:57 +0100
Our Esteemed Janitor wrote:
>
> Could someone investigate or verify that this is still available
> through Bulmer? I'm asking because (a) Ray got his copy quite a few
> years ago, and (b) I tried to order a copy through Bulmer last year,
> and although I had different contact info within Bulmer than what Ray
> shows, I didn't even get a _pro_forma_ reply. If a reader here has
> managed to get a copy within the past year or so, that would be a
> reasonable indication.
I've made various enquiries this week and from the mouths of the
relevant horses I can report as follows:
- - RR Williams "Modern Cider Apple Production" (1975?). Out of print.
- - RR Williams "Cider and Juice Apples" (1988). Bulmers have no copies
left now.
- - Liz Copas and Roger Umpleby "Growing Cider Apples" (2002) can be
obtained from Bulmers Fruit Office. Contact
<chris.fairs@scottish-courage.co.uk> or phone (UK) 01432 294279. Cost
£12.50 but may negotiate. Overseas orders by arrangement.
- - "Bulmers Pomona" is still available from the Hereford Cider Museum
(but not from Bulmers themselves!). Price £40. Contact
<info@cidermuseum.co.uk> or phone (UK) 01432 354207
- - Liz Copas "Somerset Pomona" - the original print run is now exhausted
but Liz has had it reprinted privately. Contact Liz herself for
availability details <http://www.lizcopas.com/>. Liz assures me she has
not written any book on insect pests in the EU and presumes that
Deirdre's enquiry must refer to the Copas and Umpleby book (above).
Andrew Lea
- --
Wittenham Hill Cider Page
http://www.cider.org.uk
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Subject: Re: Cider Equipment/supplies
From: Terence Bradshaw <tblists@pshift.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:21:39 -0400
I have been working on my press this summer to be ready for its inaugural
use this season. At present I have some older oak racks which were
originally 28" square which I trimmed to 21". They are a little wobbly,
and I would eventually like to switch to plastics, but the price is rather
exorbitant for new Day racks. I've thought of making my own by purchasing
a sheet of HDPE, cutting it into individual racks, and possibly using a
router to make the channels. Your mention of planks intrigues me. Do you
use multiple, narrow planks instead of a single rack per cheese? That is,
say four 20" X 4" planks laid side by side with an inch space between to
create the channels? I would think the cloths might creep between the racks?
One job this winter is to pull together a simple website to show it all off.
Thanks,
TerryB
>I have purchased replacement poly planks & boards to swap out wood
>pieces on my press from Indelco Plastics in Mpls, MN at reasonable
>prices and they will ship and cut smaller pieces. They also have poly
>tanks in multiple sizes and configurations.
>
>www.indelco.com
>
>1-800-486-6456
>
>Good Luck!
>
>Jon Hamilton
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Terence Bradshaw
1189 Wheeler Road
Calais, VT 05648
tblists@pshift.com
(802)229-2004
1450 feet, zone 4A/B?
The views represented are mine and mine only........
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1245, 5 August 2005
From: Michael Faul <mfaul@rabbitsfootmeadery.com>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 08:01:47 -0700
Andrew,
how are you calculating the pressure?
Mike
cider-request@talisman.com wrote:
>
> At SG 1.015 you cannot reliably bottle it so it will not explode, unless
> it has been keeved or otherwise appropriately pre-treated. The
> potential gas pressure (9 atmospheres) exceeds even that of a champagne
> bottle (6 atm). Some people may recommend sorbate, benzoate or sulphite
> but the only safe way is to pasteurise. There are directions for that in
> the Ag-Canada booklet <
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andrew_lea/ag-book.htm#19a>.
> Be sure to wear strong gloves and a visor when doing this!!
>
> Andrew Lea
> - --
> Wittenham Hill Cider Page
> http://www.cider.org.uk
>
>
- --
Rabbit's Foot Meadery & Red Branch Cider Co.
Award Winning Mead & Hard Apple Cider
http://www.rabbitsfootmeadery.com
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Subject: Bottling mediumsweet cider
From: Donald Davenport <djdavenport@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:38:44 -0600
> At SG 1.015 you cannot reliably bottle it so it will not explode, unless
> it has been keeved or otherwise appropriately pre-treated. The
> potential gas pressure (9 atmospheres) exceeds even that of a champagne
> bottle (6 atm). Some people may recommend sorbate, benzoate or sulphite
> but the only safe way is to pasteurise. There are directions for that in
> the Ag-Canada booklet <
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/andrew_lea/ag-book.htm#19a>.
> Be sure to wear strong gloves and a visor when doing this!!
I wanted a little clarification from Andrew on the above. From your
website (which I consider "The Gospel According to St. Andrew") you
describe your 97/98 FV2 batch as being bottled at SG 1.016 in crown
cap bottles and champagne bottles. It apparently wasn't keeved,
although you did rack it at SG 1.025 or so to slow it down.
That seems to contradict your statement above. What am I missing?
Cheers!
Donald Davenport
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Subject: cider book source
From: cider-request@talisman.com (Cider Digest Admin)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:40:03 -0600 (MDT)
While trying to avoid any commercialism here, I think it's important to
make known sources of information that a lot of us need. I've had a note
that Vigo, Ltd. in the UK has several titles of interest (mentioned in
previous notes) in stock and is willing to ship to the US. They claim
to have:
A Somerset Pomona (Copas)
Cider & Juice Apples (Williams ed)
Growing Cider Apples (Umpelby & Copas)
The note also indicates that their web site and catalogue are out of date
and don't show all of what they have available. Contact sales@vigoltd.com
for ordering. I'm trying to get a little more info (like a complete list
of their available cider books) but don't have it as of time to send out
this digest.
- -da janitor
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