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Cider Digest #1229
Subject: Cider Digest #1229, 1 June 2005
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1229 1 June 2005
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Cider and Gueuze (Tim Bray)
Re: Pear Compatibility (Joan Fletcher)
Winter hardiness of Sunrise ("Siloam Orchards")
Re: Cider Digest #1228, 30 May 2005 (Tim Bray)
Grapple with this... ("drcath@tiac.net")
Avoiding MLF (Andrew Lea)
GRAPPLE (Jack O Feil)
Re: Interstate Wine Shipments ("Gary Awdey")
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Subject: Cider and Gueuze
From: Tim Bray <tbray@mcn.org>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:22:37 -0700
Just returned from a trip to Belgium, where I finally managed to try a
Gueuze. I'd not been interested in them previously, as the description
doesn't sound appealing to me, but wanted to get an idea what the
wild-yeast flavor profile was. I suspected it might be similar to what I'm
getting in my spontaneously fermented cider - and I was right! The Gueuze
I had tasted very much like my cider: slightly sour, a little bitter, dry
and refreshing. It was just different in being made from malt instead of
apple juice.
Now I'm left trying to decide if this is a Good Thing or not... I actually
liked the Gueuze, somewhat to my surprise, probably because I've become
conditioned to the taste of my cider. It would be a great accompaniment to
certain kinds of strongly-flavored or fatty foods (strong cheese, nuts,
salami). But it doesn't taste at all like beer, nor does my cider taste
like most other ciders.
Too soon to tell whether the wild flora are affecting the flavor of last
year's crop, most of which I'm fermenting with cultured yeasts (4 different
varieties). Just put the first of it into the bottle... Russet Cider made
with Wyeast Cider strain.
(BTW, I also found out how Gueuze is pronounced. Notice I did not say that
I _learned how_ to pronounce it... I got a couple of Dutch speakers to walk
me through it, but when I tried ordering it, got a blank stare.)
Cheers,
Tim
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Subject: Re: Pear Compatibility
From: Joan Fletcher <cyberwyrd@telus.net>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:52:59 -0700
Many thanks to all who took the trouble to respond to my query
> Does anyone know of a table of compatible rootstocks for perry and
> dessert pears? ?
>
The responses on-list you know. I also received a response off-list
suggesting that perry pears can be grafted directly onto Quince,
producing trees which at their most vigourous were about the size of a
half standard apple tree, both in height and canopy, but many specimens
exhibited a non-standard shape and some were quite dwarfed or straggly.
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Subject: Winter hardiness of Sunrise
From: "Siloam Orchards" <mail@siloamorchards.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:19:19 -0400
The apple cultivar Sunrise from Summerland BC has been fruited
sucessfully at our location in Ontario ( 1 hour north of Toronto) for
several years. This year it is now in flower and thus has a higher
degree of winter hardiness than the following cultivars which were
winter killed or badly damaged: Gala, Jonagold, Elstar, Cox Orange,
Bramleys, Fiesta. Sunrise has high consumer acceptance as a fresh market
variety, and should make a good addition to a blended cider.
Eric, Siloam Orchards, Uxbridge Ontario Canada
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1228, 30 May 2005
From: Tim Bray <tbray@mcn.org>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:04:49 -0700
John C. Campbell wrote:
>A "nursery" up on the great lakes (who shall remain unnamed) sold me a
I'm curious - why are you protecting this merchant, instead of protecting
the rest of us from him?
Name your sources, good and bad, and let the marketplace sort them out. If
these people are no good, please let the rest of us know who they are, so
we can avoid repeating your mistakes.
If it was Southmeadow, then your experience is consistent with what I've
heard from others. Lousy customer service, wrongly labeled trees, etc.
Cummins, OTOH, is of the very best. So is Cider Hill Nursery (Lee
Elliott), in my experience.
Thanks,
Tim
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Subject: Grapple with this...
From: "drcath@tiac.net" <drcath@tiac.net>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:04:05 -0400
I was about to write a funny quip about how to get kids to eat more
scrapple when I noticed that the webpage for grapples indicates that it
rhymes with Naples (Italy)=2E Scrape that idea=2E=2E=2E
Dave Catherman
South Glastonbury, CT
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Subject: Avoiding MLF
From: Andrew Lea <andrew_lea@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 22:38:57 +0100
Steve Ingels wrote:
>
> Since the apples available to me have
> not been overly sharp nor as fruity as I would like, I have thought
> that I, like Charles, would prefer to avoid MLF. I'd be interested in
> any advice on how to suppress the malolactic bacteria but not prevent
> the yeasts from adding some sparkle after I bottle. Thanks,
I've never used it myself, but there is a form of lysozyme on the market
which claims to destroy ML bacteria while presumably leaving yeassts
unaffected. See http://www.winemakermag.com/feature/201.html
Andrew Lea
- --
Wittenham Hill Cider Page
http://www.cider.org.uk
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Subject: GRAPPLE
From: Jack O Feil <feilorchards@juno.com>
Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 15:22:24 -0700
I'm from the area where the grapple was born, Andrew Lea has it right,
it's a grape(concord) flavored Fuji. I have used the grape concentrate as
a bird repellent on sweet cherries, it's said birds won't eat concord
grapes and I guess that's true but it didn't keep the birds away from my
cherries, at least to any great extent. The label on this product warns
that unless sufficient time has passed the cherries will have a grape
flavor, about ten days I think. The grapple must have some appeal because
it has been on the market for a year or two.
Jack Feil feilorchards@juno.com
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Subject: Re: Interstate Wine Shipments
From: "Gary Awdey" <gawdey@att.net>
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:11:01 -0400
For anyone interested in some of the background leading up to the recent
Supreme Court decisions in Michigan and New York (and related court rulings
in some other states) there is an interesting article in the Houston Law
Review. It is a bit dated (17 months old) but at a weighty 35 pages it is a
nice overview of the main legal issues. Article at
http://www.houstonlawreview.org/archive/downloads/40-4%20pdf%20files/Wallerc7g3.
pdf.
Have also noted with interest how mention of Mothers Against Drunk Drivers
(MADD) gets trotted out again and again in the media when interstate
shipment is covered. This seems to serve the media spin purposes of the
three-tiered distribution infrastructure (well, maintly the distributors)
but in more than one case MADD reportedly withdrew from the fight later when
it became absolutely clear that only the ability of the distributors to
maintain their monopoly (not availability of wine to minors via the
internet) was at the heart of the matter.
Gary Awdey
Eden, NY
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