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Subject: Cider Digest #1244, 3 August 2005
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1244 3 August 2005
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Re: looking for cider books (Dick Dunn)
Re: Obtaining the correct SO2 level in cider (Fred Johnson)
Re: Thanks to Mr. Dunn (Daniel Knierim)
Sodium metabisulphite use ("Alex Hill")
RE: Cider Pressing Supplies ("Carney, Shawn")
re: Cider reference books ("Dan Wilson")
When to bottle for a medium sweet cider ("John Jeffs")
Re: Cider Digest #1243, 30 July 2005 (Brian Ross)
Transferring cider (Andrew Lea)
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Subject: Re: looking for cider books
From: rcd@talisman.com (Dick Dunn)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 09:05:29 -0600 (MDT)
Ray Blockley <rayblockley@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I am the lucky owner of a copy of "Cider and Juice Apples" edited by R.
> R. Williams. I bought mine in 1999 from the Cider Museum in Hereford,
> England. The Marcher Apple Network list the book in their book section:
> http://www.marcherapple.net/books.htm
> (Quote): Cider and Juice Apples: Growing and Processing by R. R.
> Williams (editor). Published by The University of Bristol. Available
> (post free) for £5.00 - cheques payable to NACM - from Gill Turner,
> Orcharding Department, H P Bulmer Ltd, The Cider Mills, Plough Lane,
> Hereford HR4 0LE. (Unquote).
Could someone investigate or verify that this is still available through
Bulmer? I'm asking because (a) Ray got his copy quite a few years ago,
and (b) I tried to order a copy through Bulmer last year, and although
I had different contact info within Bulmer than what Ray shows, I didn't
even get a _pro_forma_ reply. If a reader here has managed to get a copy
within the past year or so, that would be a reasonable indication.
(For my own part, I -do- have a copy through an embarrassing sequence
of events, but it's a good enough book that I'd like to see other folks
reliably be able to get it, even on this side of the puddle.)
- ---
Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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Subject: Re: Obtaining the correct SO2 level in cider
From: Fred Johnson <FLJohnson@portbridge.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:09:37 -0400
Regarding Shawn's post to the Cider Digest on using sodium vs potassium
metabisulfite, Shawn said:
> Then 20 * 65 mg/lt = 1300 mg or 1.3 g of SO2. Since the 10% solution
> is
> 6.74% SO2 then I would need 1.3/.0674 = 19.28 grams of the 10%
> solution.
This is incorrect. The math should be 1.3/(6.74/10). or 1.3/0.674=1.93.
Also, regarding the 10% solution, does the source say "10% sulfite" or
does the say "10% sodium metabisulfite" or "10% potassium
metabisulfite". My guess is the author may not be aware of the
differences among these statements.
Fred L Johnson
Apex, North Carolina, USA
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Subject: Re: Thanks to Mr. Dunn
From: Daniel Knierim <dakcalouro@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 13:28:19 -0700 (PDT)
[Please see janitor's notes below]
Hear, hear!
Thanks for the reminder, Mr. Irvine. It's much too
easy to take Mr. Dunn's contributions for granted.
Of course Mr. Dunn deserves thanks for every issue.
I wish I were creative enough to keep from just
repeating myself.
You're doing very good work, Mr. Dunn. I'm always
glad to see another Digest in my e-mail.
Thanks
- - Daniel K.
[Daniel, Ron, and the rest:
The kind words are appreciated, but honestly I don't do very much to keep
the Digest going, so I'd like to give a gentle nudge away from this sort
of article and toward the core (so to speak) of cidermaking. As most
readers know, whenever a digest problem starts to repeat itself to where
I have to do a little work, I complain to you folks about it. I'm lazy!
In any case, I get a lot more out of the digest than I put into it.
The best way to show your appreciation for the Cider Digest is to
contribute material to it! It's been a bit thin lately.
- --the janitroid]
> Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1242, 27 July 2005
> From: Sketchpub@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:00:19 EDT
>
> Dear Ciderists:
> I want to thank Dick Dunn for his work at overseeing
> the Cider Digest. I know
> that he does not get paid. It must be a royal pain
> to sift through the
> incoming emails and to decide what information is of
> value to the readers.
>
> I am appreciative of his efforts, and for the fact
> that it is completely
> commercial-free.
>
> It brightens my life knowing that there are people
> like Dick Dunn and Andrew
> Lea that are willing to share information so freely.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Irvine
> Irvine's Vintage Cider
> Vashon, Washington
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Subject: Sodium metabisulphite use
From: "Alex Hill" <alex@vigoltd.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:57:51 +0100
Vigo Limited has an instruction sheet for the use of sodium metabisulphite.
This freely available. If you would like a copy you should email Vigo -
info@vigoltd.com asking for the instruction sheet for product code 94350
and we will send it to you as an attachment. It is quite straightforward.
Alex Hill
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Subject: RE: Cider Pressing Supplies
From: "Carney, Shawn" <scarney@ball.com>
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:59:48 -0600
I recently bought a load of cider making equipment from a guy who was
getting out of the juice business. He informed me the white food grade
grease from day equipment works well except "never use it on the
bearings for a hammer mill". He burned up his bearings by putting it on
them. I looked at the bearings on the hammer mill and there is no
contact with the apples so he must have just been playing it safe by
using it there? Which press clothes to use is an excellent question. I
have herd it depends on weather you are pressing desert/cooking apples
or cider apples. I have also heard that Vigo Ltd sells some good but
expensive press clothes (www.vigoltd.com) I don't see them online but I
know they have them in their catalog. I hope someone with actual
experience fills us all in on this one.
Shawn Carney
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Subject: re: Cider reference books
From: "Dan Wilson" <slyboro@capital.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:10:56 -0400
Hi to all,
I got a copy of Liz Copas' A Sommerset Pomona on Amazon. Just go to the
bottom of the Amazon homepage and click on th
United Kingdom international site, then do a regular search for it.
Cost me about $30 plus under $10 for shipping,and I got it in about 2
weeks.
Thanks for this forum!
Dan Wilson
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Subject: When to bottle for a medium sweet cider
From: "John Jeffs" <pdms@senet.com.au>
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:23:06 +0930
Dear Digest,
I would like to bottle the cider so it is medium sweet but if I bottle it
before it has stopped fermenting it tends to be too fizzy if not explode.
So, how do I bottle the cider when it is around a S.G. of 1015 and still
fermenting but very slowly.
Cheers
John Jeffs
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1243, 30 July 2005
From: Brian Ross <rossoon@imag.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 22:55:58 -0700
Cider Pressing Supplies
I have found that no-see-um fine nylon bug netting from camping supply stores
works well as press cloth. You should be able to get widths big enough to make
cheeses for 2 foot square.
Brian Ross
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Subject: Transferring cider
From: Andrew Lea <andrew_lea@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:28:12 +0100
Shawn Carney wrote:
> When racking cider from one tank to another (assuming you have the
> luxury of a variable speed pump) what transfer speed should you be
> aiming for?
The key thing is to avoid any turbulence. You don't want to incorporate
any air and you don't want to lose any CO2. Smooth and non-splashy is
what you need, irrespective of speed. I don't think fully fermented
cider can physically damage other than by gas exchange. An interesting
point is that sometimes racking of a part-fermented cider will encourage
renewed yeast growth, This is probably to do with new air being
available for the yeast to breathe (contrary to popular opinion, yeast
does require some air) and the literal movement of yeast cells away from
their toxic excretory products (CO2 and ethanol).
Andrew Lea
- --
Wittenham Hill Cider Page
http://www.cider.org.uk
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