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Cider Digest #1203
Subject: Cider Digest #1203, 27 February 2005
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1203 27 February 2005
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Ice Cider, go try it for yourself ("Jay Hersh aka Dr. Beer(R)")
Antique apple grinder (Bradley Hunter)
Re: Cider Digest #1202, 24 February 2005 (Tristan McLeay)
Re: Ice Cider (Jason MacArthur)
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Subject: Ice Cider, go try it for yourself
From: "Jay Hersh aka Dr. Beer(R)" <jsh@doctorbeer.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:45:53 -0500
Thanks to Rich for posting that link to the La Face Cachee de la Pomme
cidery. It was one of the places we visited on our cider trip to Quebec in
the Summer of 2004 and their products were very tasty. We tried a lot of
ice ciders on our trip, and while the La Face Cachee de la Pomme products
were probably the best, they were also the most expensive.
If you are considering heading up to Quebec to try some for yourself you
may want to check out our pages at
http://www.doctorbeer.com/jay/beertrav/quebecid.htm for info on places to
hit. We went mid summer and about 1/3 of the places were closed. We are
already considering a return trip for the fall when more places will be
open. Too bad the $ has tanked since we went, but on the plus side at least
we filled up our wine cellar last summer before it dropped.
Cheers,
Jay H
Hopfen und Malz, Gott erhalts
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Subject: Antique apple grinder
From: Bradley Hunter <hunter@midcoast.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 15:25:57 -0500
I have just been given a wonderful old antique hand cranked cast iron
apple grinder.
It was unearthed in an old New England farm house and , though the
wooden base for it long ago rotted away, it appears all of the cast
iron grinding mechanism is still intact and operational. There is a
cast hopper on top that would receive additional wooden side pieces to
create a bigger box for the whole apples. The apples then drop down
past a rotating drum fitted with paddle like projections that would do
the initial crush. The apple pieces would then drop further down where
they would pass between two opposing drums turning against one another
with an appropriate gap between. One of these drums has a series of
straight ridges cast into it and the other has a series of ' V '
ridges. The entire system is driven by hand crank and heavy fly wheel
and an ingenious combination of toothed gears.
Cast into the side of it are the words "Manufactured by " and the
number 15 below. I assume there must have originally been a paper or
painted company logo between the two.
Would anybody out there have any information about this grinder, it's
age and possible origin? Any websites that might discuss antique
grinders?
I'd love to carefully dismantle the entire unit, clean it up and build
a rugged oak or maple stand and get this grinder back in service in my
fledgling cider orchard. There is much rust and pitting that needs
addressing / any thoughts on the safest way to deal with that? Naval
Jelly or other rust removal preparations? Wire brush and elbow grease?
Any and all feedback will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Brad Hunter
Appleton , Maine
hunter@midcoast.com
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1202, 24 February 2005
From: Tristan McLeay <thecartographers@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:34:22 +1100
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:40:50 -0700 (MST), Cider Digest Janitor
<cider-request@talisman.com> wrote:
> Let me clarify a point here: the (talisman.com) archives are intended to
> allow you to retrieve them as efficiently as possible, -not- to search
> them. So, Claude's reaction is correct, but in effect I reply "It's not
> a bug; it's a feature!"
>
> Still I admit, the problem remains, how to search the archives. (Oh, it's
> not a problem for me here...I can search the entire history of the digest
> in milliseconds, since it's all on my local disk. But YMMV:-)
Well, I downloaded all the tarballs and ran grep over them, hoping to
find something, and nothing terribly interesting turned up. I was more
concerned that my search terms were wrong rather than in the
difficulty of searching.
Nevertheless, I was thinking having a searchable form on the Internet
would be useful. I also grabbed all the MLDs, and with those I've used
various unix tools to cut the digests up into distinct posts* and
extract the subjects. I anticipated that some responses would be, at
least, contraversial, and assumed that generally if this happened,
people would respond with correct statements/their opinions. Hence, I
was going to make an interface that would attempt to thread the
individual posts (or at least a hyperlinked list of 'possibly related
posts' at the end of the post), going by a combination of the subject
header, quoting and digest number. Unfortunately, work's got in the
way this fortnight and my University semester begins tomorrow, so it
might not be till June/July holidays that I can get any work done on
it. (As I'm a newbie to the lists, you might point out the
fruitlessness of this approach.)
* And I must say thanks for changing ----s into '- ----' so that
breaking up the digests is easy!
...
> There are two separate issues here. Making a transparent (un-zipped or
> un-tarred) archive is one thing; indexing is quite another. It would take
> me no more than an hour or so to make an uncompressed collection of all the
> digests, and if there is sufficient interest I'll do just that. (PLEASE!
> If so, send notes to cider-request! Don't "vote" via digest postings!) My
> concern in doing so is that people will try to retrieve the entire 1200+
> digests one-at-a-time when they want their own complete copy of the
> archives, instead of grabbing a dozen compressed archive files.
I hope you don't mind me voting here seeing as I'm already posting,
but I would say I think a threaded view is better (i.e. patience!).
You can get all the archives easily enough as it is.
> One trouble with indexing is that there's occasional very-wrong info in the
> digests. There is no editing, so it's stream-of-consciousness material,
> with no way to catch out the mistakes. If you index it, you really want to
> un-index (or mark specially) the postings which contain wrong information.
> That is at least two orders of magnitude harder than just indexing. In
> terms of actually making it happen, it requires someone with both technical
> skills and cidermaking background, willing to work gratis on a mostly-
> tedious task. Hard to find!
Which is kinda why I tried my approach!
As for my question about cider apples in Victoria, or emulating
them---thanks for all your responses (I got a number offlist too). I'm
investigating some of these leads, and near Bendigo in March seems
promising. If I have any success I'll make a post for posterity. If I
can't make it, I might have to content myself with mead & commercial
cider till next year. Thanks again!
- --
Tristan
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Subject: Re: Ice Cider
From: Jason MacArthur <rotread@localnet.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:25:18 -0500
In Cider Digest #1201, in response to a question of mine regarding
ice cider, Claude Jolicoeur wrote that in order to make ice cider, the
idea is to press the apples while they are partially frozen. It occurs
to me that it would be much easier to grind and press unfrozen apples,
then leave the juice out on a cold night. Once the juice was partially
frozen, one could remove the ice layer which would form on the surface
and there would be your concentrated must without the hassle of
pressing frozen apples. This seems to me like it would be a great deal
easier if one had the appropriate container, although I suppose that
beyond a fairly limited scale it would become impractical. Is there
some benefit of pressing the frozen fruit which this technique would
eliminate?
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