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Cider Digest #1133
Subject: Cider Digest #1133, 7 May 2004
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1133 7 May 2004
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
correction ("mark")
Orchard grazing ("The Apple Farm")
Re: Orchard grazing (Scott Slezak)
Re: Cider Digest #1127, 11 April 2004 (LoneRoc@aol.com)
Judges & Entries Needed, 11th Annual BUZZ Off May 22nd ("Christopher Clair")
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Subject: correction
From: "mark" <mark@thealchemystudio.com>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 13:38:07 -0500
The eColi problem was with Odwalla Juice, a California company using
unpasteurized apple cider in their juice products, not Snapple.
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9611/01/e.coli.poisoning/
The death of one child due to this problem led to lawsuits
http://www.marlerclark.com/news/odwalla8.htm
and sparked many states push for limits on cider mills offering unpasteurized
juice for sale.
Mark
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Subject: Orchard grazing
From: "The Apple Farm" <applefarm@pacific.net>
Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 23:43:04 -0700
In reference to the Snapple fiasco (It was Odwalla, and a child died)
fresh manure was brought in as a fertilizer just before harvest (because
it was virtually free and available). The grower was conventional (not
organic..as supposed by many Odwalla drinkers). The trees were shaken
(since they knew it was going to juice and the grower had a contract)
and contact with manure was made. Even though Odwalla had very good
rinsing facilities (so they say and I believe them) the nightmare
occurred. Grazing is a very good way to get nutrients to your orchard
and good food to your animals. Organic standards require that no fresh
manure come in contact with edibile produce within 90 or 120 days of
harvest (depending on the crop), These are very safe guidelines.
Given the circumstances of the Odwalla situation...California
Central Valley grower with supplied manure from a big diary operation
(read unhealthy cows on antibiotics) it is not surprising that there was
bad ecoli in the manure. Most of us smaller cider types who have time to
graze animals in our orchards probably do not have drugged animals and
the poo poo will very unlikely have "bad" ecoli. At my farm all
windfalls that are usuable are made into vinegar. Drops that occur
during picking are picked up daily and are refrigerated until pressing
day and could be used for hard cider...or syrup or vinegar (none for
fresh cider). Only packing house culls and hand picked are used for
fresh and hard cider (except above mentioned "drops"). We have chickens
on the run every day and two horses that are let loose for awhile most
days (after about an hour of running and grazing they get playful and
start nibbling and rubbing on trees,,,aargh!). The goats are ALWAYS
locked up (man, can they do damage in a short time!)
In short, to be as safe as possible do not let animals in 90 to 120
days before harvest and mow or disc in poo poo if you can (also you can
spray compost tea or Bio-Dynamic Preps on the ground to break down the
manures before harvest). While alcohol is not a good host for bad
bacterias, they can occasionally survive. It would be best to use
anything questionable for vinegar or chuck it. How safe is safe as
possible? Well, and I did not want to hear this but...The "bad ecoli"
was found in the poo poo of deer and some birds (both very rare and it
was questioned if the ecoli survived long after exiting the animal). In
my opinion the best defense is a healthy organic orchard and flock or
heard and most all problems will be nullified.
Tim Bates PS. The cider digest is great, This
is my first input. Thanks
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Subject: Re: Orchard grazing
From: Scott Slezak <scottslezak2@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:28:22 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks for the responses.
Richard said:
> I visited an dwarfing Asian Pear orchard near here
> several years ago and the owners had constructed a
> electrified wire system which keeps the sheep from
> the eating the foliage, but allow them to graze
> below the foliage. It seemed to work well.
Can you describe this system a little more? I make
extensive use of electric fencing elsewhere.
Andrew said:
> Have you thought of geese?
No, I hadn't thought of them. Would they really eat
the grass fast enough that I wouldn't have to mow? I
guess if I had enough of them...
Looks like sheep (or geese!) might be my only option,
and even then I'm putting my trees at risk. I think
I'll stick with the mower and weedwacker for awhile
yet.
Scott
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1127, 11 April 2004
From: LoneRoc@aol.com
Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:13:06 -0400
Dear Digest,
Here's a bit of info on a possible source of
tannins that I've observed:
An interesting observation on Bud 118 is that it is
a rosybloom type. It has beautiful deep pink
blooms and appears to be fairly scab resistant.
The apples are in the apple/crab range for
size, ripen here in August, and are sweet with
fairly high tannin levels. Unlike most hardy
crabs that have tannins, Bud 118 tastes like it
is relatively low in acid levels. I have not
measured this, only tasted. I plan to fruit
118's to try as a source of tannin for hard ciders
- --something that is thus far almost non-existent
in zone 3 hardy apples.
Steve Herje, Lone Rock, Wisconsin USA USDA zone 3
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Subject: Judges & Entries Needed, 11th Annual BUZZ Off May 22nd
From: "Christopher Clair" <buzz@netreach.net>
Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 19:18:50 -0400
Brewers Unlimited Zany Zymurgists (BUZZ) is proud to announce that the 2004
BUZZ Off home brew competition will be held on Saturday, May 22nd at Iron
Hill Brewery & Restaurant in West Chester, PA. For another year we will be
a qualifying event for the prestigious Masters Championship of Amateur
Brewing (MCAB) as well as the Delaware Valley Homebrewer of the Year. All
BJCP recognized styles including meads and ciders are eligible for entry.
For complete details and forms, please visit the BUZZ web site at
http://hbd.org/buzz.
Entries will be accepted between April 26th and May 16th. For drop off and
mail in locations please refer to the BUZZ web site. Please, do not send
entries to Iron Hill.
BJCP Judges and stewards will be needed. If you are interested please
contact me or another committee member (contact information can be found on
the web site). All judges must be BJCP certified (any ranking).
Good luck and cheers!
Christopher Clair
buzz@netreach.net
http://hbd.org/buzz
"The mouth of a perfectly happy man is filled with beer."
- - Ancient Egyptian Wisdom, 2200 B.C.
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