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Cider Digest #1126
Subject: Cider Digest #1126, 5 April 2004
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #1126 5 April 2004
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
re: ancient cider (Cameron Adams)
re: Piltdown again (Cameron Adams)
History of cider book (Tim Bray)
king Apple Poliination ("Darlene Hanson / Darcy Wardrop")
Tannin from apples (Charles Fritsch)
Certainly cider: the Earliest fermentation (Ken Schramm)
Re: Cider Digest #1125, 1 April 2004 (Bill Rhyne)
11th Annual BUZZ Off Home Brew Competition (including ciders) ("Christophe...)
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Subject: re: ancient cider
From: Cameron Adams <cadams@arczip.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:40:47 -0500
I would be a little wary of the Piltdown cider. Though the cider may be
legit, Piltdown man is not. Piltdown man was a hoax. It was a human
skull fitted with an ape jaw and was planted to suggest that the
missing link between apes and humans happened in England. If the find
is at the same strata as the skull, and is published as such, it too is
likely to be a hoax.
Sorry to rain on the parade, but the flags went up.
Cam-your friendly neighborhood anthropologist
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Subject: re: Piltdown again
From: Cameron Adams <cadams@arczip.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:55:01 -0500
ummm..........you got me--cam
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Subject: History of cider book
From: Tim Bray <tbray@mcn.org>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 08:50:46 -0800
>Does anyone know if there's a book available about "history of cider
>making";
There is "The History and Virtues of Cyder," by R. K. French. But it
focuses on English history.
>over the last month I found out that traditions of cider making
>differ a lot from country to country;
Yes, and the problem is that English authors are generally only concerned
with English history!
>All the informations about "cidre" I found are in french, if you want to
>have a look at them here are some links:
Thank you for posting those! My French, she is not so good, but I will try.
Cheers,
Tim
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Subject: king Apple Poliination
From: "Darlene Hanson / Darcy Wardrop" <d_hanson@oberon.ark.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:26:46 -0800
Ben and Bill thanks to your responce to my King apple polination
problem. Just to clear up a few things. I know it is a king because the
previous owner planted it himself and told me so. I did try adding some
borax last spring following the directions of the local garden center.
Last spring was tough on all the trees in the vicinity as we had a late
frost right at the peak of blosoming and none of the trees did as well
as previous years. The king had one single apple. The Boscoop did much
better at 2 wheelbarrows full but the year before I had 5 and that
should have been the off year. As far as microclimate goes I am just
south of the town of Campbell River in the Storries beach area. I have
noticed that we are about two weeks behind the town itself when it comes
to blooming of any plant variety. As well my yard is nesteled into the
rainforest along Wood creek and is a little more shaded than I would
like . However this does not stop ythe other apples from fully ripening
I certainly will try the suggestions . I will look for some other
polinater branches to place . I don't know about beating it yet , maybe
I'll just give it a "stern talking to" or a " time out". Thanks Darcy
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Subject: Tannin from apples
From: Charles Fritsch <cafritsch@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:58:01 -0500
Folks,
I make and retail an all natural fermented cider from GoldRush apples which
make a wonderful sweet cider but are a bit short on tannins. To increase
the tannins, I add juice from my Enterprise apples (disease resistant
version of Melrose) but I didn't have enough this past season. (I have
planted Hewes crab, Roxbury Russet, and other disease resistant cultivars
for cider, but they aren't in production.)
Since the Federal tax restrictions for marketing a fermented cider without a
liscense requires 100% apple juice and no other additives, I need a source
of tannin from apple juice. Any suggestions?
- --Charlie
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Subject: Certainly cider: the Earliest fermentation
From: Ken Schramm <schramk@mail.resa.net>
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:47:33 -0500
Dick's postulations regarding early fermentation bear serious
consideration. One interesting note is that the regions of Kazhakstan
which were the the native range of apples are near the vicinity of
evidence of the earliest known wine residues. Evidence from Dr. Mayliss
and from the history of the migratory patterns of Piltdown Man (and of
another pleistocene hominid, Australopithecus spiff-arino) show a
logical progression of population distributions from the Caucuses,
across northern Europe and onto the British Isles over the then-present
land bridge from northern Europe. That they might have taken both
apples and their knowledge of Pleistocene fermentation with them is
totally consistent with the accepted corpus of work in this vein. This
proves to be little more than a further extension of McGovern's
"Paleolithic Hypothesis" or the equally academically accepted "Magic
Bag" theory (actually a hypothesis, too). Perhaps this will become
known as the Dunn Postulate, or Dick and Sylvester's Excellent Adventure.
I am eagerly anticipating the results of the more authoritative
archaeo-chemical assays, which will certainly prove definitive in
supporting the growing school of thought regarding this development.
Yours in science,
Ken Schramm
Troy, Michigan
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1125, 1 April 2004
From: Bill Rhyne <theo9us@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:41:58 -0800 (PST)
Re: Cider as "earliest fermented beverage"?? (Dick Dunn)
Dick, I think that one could speculate that the first
cider was the one that Eve offered Adam as a
temptation. Contrary to what was recorded in the
Bible, Adam was not interested in the apple, he wanted
the cider. That would make cider most likely the
senior alcoholic beverage in history. Does this count?
Bill Rhyne
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Subject: 11th Annual BUZZ Off Home Brew Competition (including ciders)
From: "Christopher Clair" <buzz@netreach.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 19:18:15 -0400
Brewers Unlimited Zany Zymurgists (BUZZ) is proud to announce that the 2004
BUZZ Off home brew competition will be held on Saturday, May 22nd at Iron
Hill Brewery & Restaurant in West Chester, PA. For another year we will be
a qualifying event for the prestigious Masters Championship of Amateur
Brewing (MCAB) as well as the Delaware Valley Homebrewer of the Year. All
BJCP recognized styles including meads and ciders are eligible for entry.
For complete details and forms, please visit the BUZZ web site at
http://hbd.org/buzz.
Entries will be accepted between April 26th and May 16th. For drop off and
mail in locations please refer to the BUZZ web site. Please, do not send
entries to Iron Hill.
BJCP Judges and stewards will be needed. If you are interested please
contact me or another committee member (contact information can be found on
the web site). All judges must be BJCP certified.
Good luck and cheers!
Christopher Clair
buzz@netreach.net
http://hbd.org/buzz
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