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Subject: Cider Digest #1021, 5 February 2003
Cider Digest #1021 5 February 2003
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
Re: (Tim Bray)
French Cider Yeasts (Tim Bray)
Re: "The Botany of Desire" by Michael Pollan (Mark)
Carbonation (Dan Aldrich)
Malt extract ("Patrick Murphy")
apple trees (see web site) (Cider Digest)
Re: Cider Digest #1020, "The Botany of Desire" by Michael (David Radwin)
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Subject: Re:
From: Tim Bray <tbray@mcn.org>
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:21:06 -0800
In Cider Digest #1017, 12 January 2003, Benedicte Rhyne wrote:
>The operation of keeving (defecation) is carried at 65 F.
That seems to conflict with Warcollier. I thought keeving required a
pretty low temp, around 40 F, to succeed? (Because at higher temps the
fermentation starts too quickly.) Am I wrong?
Cheers,
Tim
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Subject: French Cider Yeasts
From: Tim Bray <tbray@mcn.org>
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:25:42 -0800
Patrick Murphy wrote:
>As I understand the process, there is a succession of five major
>fermentative bacteria in the French Process,
Bacteria, or yeast? Or both?
Albion Works
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For the Medievalist!
www.albionworks.net
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Subject: Re: "The Botany of Desire" by Michael Pollan
From: Mark <scaffnet@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:13:40 -0800 (PST)
We were fortunate to have Michael Pollan up here
in western MA in late 2001. He is an excellent
speaker, very engaging and down to earth, yet
full of great info. Highly recommended.
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Subject: Carbonation
From: Dan Aldrich <daldrich@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 22:15:22 -0500
The cold weather has done a great job clarifying my cider. I'm ready to
prime and bottle for sparkling cider. Is there enough residual yeast in
solution to carbonate the bottled cider, or do I need to pitch some more
yeast in? Just wondering how much yeast falls out due to flocculation and
racking.
Thanks,
- -d
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Subject: Malt extract
From: "Patrick Murphy" <themurphy@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 23:31:39 +0000
Hi all,
Has anyone had any experience with, or got an opinion on, malt extract as an
additive to hard apple cider.
I will be running a couple of trial batches in the near future with the
intent of evaluating the colouring, residual sugar and flavour that various
levels of the extract add to the cider. I will be using (non Australian)AJC
only.
Any thoughts, apart from how I am prostituting a fine traditional product by
putting it together out of a can?
Thanks,
Patrick Murphy in the Land of 'Oz.
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Subject: apple trees (see web site)
From: cider@talisman.com (Cider Digest)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:54:51 -0700 (MST)
I'm trying to start again with the plan of putting sources of cider apple
varieties (tree stock) on the web site associated with the digest. So far
I've got one source confirmed (see below) and one potential supplier who is
already sold out for the year. I'm waiting on more info; I'll put it on
the page as soon as I have it.
In the meantime, if you know of a reputable supplier of trees for cider
apple varieties, or if you ARE such a supplier, please contact me with the
following information:
name
mailing address
email address
phone
web-site, if you have one
where you can ship
what varieties you have available, on what rootstocks
Please send this information to cider-request@talisman.com
As soon as I have complete info for you, I'll put it on the web site.
Now the part for the rest of us: If you are looking for cider apple trees,
go to www.talisman.com/cider/sources and you'll find whatever cider apple
tree sources we have to date.
This is a commercial thing, which is why I don't put it directly on the
digest. I can't recommend these sources, although I won't put up a listing
for a source for which I've got negative responses. I'm just trying to
make cider apple trees more available, in order to promote cider.
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Cider Digest cider-request@talisman.com
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor Boulder County, Colorado USA
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #1020, "The Botany of Desire" by Michael Pollan
From: David Radwin <dradwin@uclink.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 23:58:23 -0800
>Subject: "The Botany of Desire" by Michael Pollan
>From: John White <johnjohn@triceratops.com>
>to the orchard, but I found it all to be mind-blowing. I
>see that I missed a public appearance announcement back in
>digest issue #922 (back in Oct 2001), and was wondering
>whether anyone went to the appearance and heard the guy speak.
You might enjoy listening to these radio interviews on realaudio:
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml;jsessionid=GVS0H352DZEZXLA5AINSFFA?displayValue=day&todayDate=06/07/2002
http://freshair.npr.org/day_fa.jhtml;jsessionid=GVS0H352DZEZXLA5AINSFFA?displayValue=day&todayDate=04/03/2002
The first covers the book "The Botany of Desire," but the second covers how
the beef industry works (which I found much more interesting).
David Radwin in Berkeley, CA
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