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Cider Digest #0749
Subject: Cider Digest #749, 14 June 1998
From: cider-request@talisman.com
Cider Digest #749 14 June 1998
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor
Contents:
obtaining apples to press in the Oregon/Washington area ("Jerry Holcomb")
Re: Cider Digest #748, 9 June 1998 (Keith Dalluhn)
pear info? (Dick Dunn)
Re: Cider Digest #748, 9 June 1998 ()
Re: Homemade cider .vs. commercial cider ("Marc Shapiro")
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Subject: obtaining apples to press in the Oregon/Washington area
From: "Jerry Holcomb" <Eagle@teleport.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:21:54 -0700
I am very new to this digest/cider making. My wife does not like beer(which
I brew) so I wish to brew something that we may both like.
Where do you guys get your apples? I'm thinking growers would be the best.
Does anyone know of a place to get apples to press in the Oregon/Washington
area? Thanks in advance.
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #748, 9 June 1998
From: tillek19@IDT.NET (Keith Dalluhn)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:14:25 -0500
>Subject: Homemade cider .vs. commercial cider
>From: "Timothy Green" <TimGreen@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:49:18 -0400
>
>After reading the note from Jim Luedtke about the Dinkerton's Dry cider he
>got from England, I am beginning to question the quality of what I have been
>making.
>
>The ciders I have made (both dry and sweet), turn out like very smooth white
>wines rather than having any kind of astringent bite to them. Those that
>have fruit added to them seem to end up with a mellow intense fruit flavor,
>much nicer than any fruit wine I have tasted. Am I doing something wrong???
>(I really like the ciders I have made.)
>
>Tim Green
>
Your first sentence, and your parenthetical last sentence contradict each
other badly! If you are making a brew that you really like, why would you
think you are doing something wrong? I may be in the minority but I think
the biggest part of any craft, whether brewing or anything else, is to
please yourself first! Look at the swill that they call beer that is made
to appeal to the masses. No body, no character, just a yellow beverage
designed to get frat boys drunk.
Your last sentence only proves that you are doing everything correctly!
Keep up the good work!
If you are looking for something a little less wine like, look into using
an ale yeast. I use Wyeast European ale yeast. Gives it a nice flavor.
- -Keith Dalluhn
Keith's Axiom:
The stupidity of the male is directly proportional to the importance of the
task. Should your wife tell you that you HAVE to pick up milk on the way
home, you WILL forget.
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Subject: pear info?
From: rcd@raven.talisman.com (Dick Dunn)
Date: 10 Jun 98 00:29:16 MDT (Wed)
This is only barely relevant to the digest, but...
Does anybody know of good sources for info on pears--varieties, tree
characteristics, etc.? I'd be delighted to know about perry pears, but
I'd settle for finding some good, comprehensive sources on pears in
general. I'd love to find a book that does for pears what Morgan/
Richards does for apples.
Also, some specific questions: Does anyone have info on the pear varieties
Chanticleer, Cleveland, or Aristocrat? A local nursery says they can
supply these, but I can't find info on them.
- ---
Dick Dunn rcd@talisman.com Hygiene, Colorado USA
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From: sthomas@seidata.com (Steven L. thomas)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:37:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Homemade cider .vs. commercial cider
From: "Timothy Green" <TimGreen@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:49:18 -0400
(snip)
>The ciders I have made (both dry and sweet), turn out like very smooth white
>wines rather than having any kind of astringent bite to them. Those that
>have fruit added to them seem to end up with a mellow intense fruit flavor,
>much nicer than any fruit wine I have tasted. Am I doing something wrong???
>(I really like the ciders I have made.)
>Tim Green
Tim- When you make your cider, what apples are you using? The blend is
everything. The astringent edge comes from apples with that edge in them.
We use a small amount of crabs and older bitter type apples. Also, the
level of acidity influences the any tannin present in the cider. Acid
seems to "propel" the tannin. Our cider is fermented in barrels, so that
astringence is slightly "framed" by the influence of the oak at the end of
the palate. When the apples are harvested can influence that too.
MacIntoshes harvested a litle prematurely can provide some pretty good
astringency, also.
Hope this helps
Steve Thomas
Gale's Hard Cider
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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #748, 9 June 1998
From: <ExeCamra@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:01:50 EDT
In a message dated 10/06/98 02:58:32 GMT, you write:
> The ciders I have made (both dry and sweet), turn out like very smooth white
> wines rather than having any kind of astringent bite to them. Those that
> have fruit added to them seem to end up with a mellow intense fruit flavor,
> much nicer than any fruit wine I have tasted. Am I doing something wrong???
> (I really like the ciders I have made.)
The astringent flavour comes from the bitter-sweet and bitter-sharp
cider apples used almost exclusively
in westcountry ciders such as Dunkertons
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Subject: Re: Homemade cider .vs. commercial cider
From: "Marc Shapiro" <mshapiro@mail.inetone.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:52:45 +0000
Tim,
IMHO if you like the cider that you are making then you are
definately NOT doing anything wrong. Whether or not it tastes like
commercial cider it obviously IS what you like to drink, and, I
presume, what your friends like as well. You may want to experiment
with other techniques that would give you a result more like some
commercial ciders just to see if you like them also, but don't give
up on the proven success of what you are doing now.
Marc Shapiro m_shapiro@bigfoot.com
Visit 'The Meadery' at:
http://www.bigfoot.com/~m_shapiro/
"If you drink melomel every day, you will live to be 150 years old,
unless your wife shoots you."
- --Dr. Ferenc Androczi, Winemaker of the Little Hungary Winery
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