Cider Digest #0588

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Subject: Cider Digest #588, 26 March 1996 
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Cider Digest #588                                         26 March 1996 

                 Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues 
                      Dick Dunn, Digest Janitor 

Contents: 
  Quebec cider tours (Dr. Beer) 
  Re: dumb question (grankin@itis.com) 
  Orange Hard Cider (HuskerRed@aol.com) 
  Re: Cider Digest #587, 23 March 1996 (Jack Hardman) 
  Re: How to make Blackthorn style ciders (Michael Vezie) 
  RE: RE: How to make Blackthorn style ciders (Grizzliez@aol.com) 

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Subject: Quebec cider tours 
From: drbeer@tiac.net (Dr. Beer) 
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 1996 23:53:28 -0500 

you will have to page down towards the bottom some but there is a list of 
Quebec cider makers including some notes on a brief tour of one we took a 
while back.  This was previously posted to this list so I'll only provide 
the URL here. 

 
                          Jay 

http://www.rsi.com/wort/Trips/quebec.html 

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Subject: Re: dumb question 
From: grankin@itis.com 
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 04:25:17 GMT 

 
Cider List: 
I  know how to make a decent top-fermented beer.  Decided to try to make 
 a dry cider, as my wife isn't super-fond of hoppy beers. 

Bought me 5+ gallons of cider from an orchard.  Followed advice of beer 
& wine shop & added champagne yeast to otherwise untouched liquid in 
primary fermenter.  Fermented.  Added whatever they sold me to  
precipitate solids.  Bottled the extremely turbid liquid after fermentation  
completed.  Let sit for several months.  Got EXTREMELY alcohol-tasting, 
 not-quite-right-on, absolutely clear  well-carbonated stuff. 

Dumb question:  what have I got?  A bacterially-contaminated cider for 
lack of proper pretreatment?  Just a flavor I wasn't anticipating?  Right.  
I did not RTFM.  Don't have one.  (Got LOTS of books on beermaking.)  
Can one be suggested by Older & /or Wiser Heads? 

Thanks in advance. 
Gene 
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Gene R. Rankin  
grankin@itis.com 
"If you cannot bring good news, then don't bring any."  B. Dylan 

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Subject: Orange Hard Cider 
From: HuskerRed@aol.com 
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 00:02:07 -0500 

Hello all- 

I just put my second gallon batch of cider in the bottle today.  I was at  
the grocery store getting some more cider for my next batch and they have  
some orange juice that is fresh squeezed in the store and doesn't have  
preservatives.  So I bought a half gallon and pitched some Australian ale  
yeast in it.  It had a O.G. 44.  Has anyone else tried orange juice or  
have I just lost my mind?!?  
  
Cheers,   
Jason Henning  
  
There is nothing wrong with sobriety in moderation - John Ciardi  
  

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Subject: Re: Cider Digest #587, 23 March 1996 
From: Jack Hardman <jhardman@mary.iia.org> 
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 11:01:45 -0500 (EST) 

 
Are there any other cider makers in the nothern Virginia (DC) area?  I 
would enjoy meeting you via email.  

Jack Hardman,  Great Falls, VA     jhardman@mary.iia.org 

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Subject: Re: How to make Blackthorn style ciders 
From: Michael Vezie <dv@best.com> 
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 96 14:25:33 EST 

>What the big cidermakers do is tricky. What happens is they start with high 
>OG juice (added sugars), ferment the juice to dry (usually with champaign 
>yeasts-quick,clean,high alcohol), kill the yeast, then add in more juice 
>(or carbonated water) to hit the desired ending gravity. Then powdered 
>mallic acid is added to raise the 'tartness' of the cider. 
> 
>The reason commercial cider makers do this is for economic and storage reasons. 

Fascinating.  Thanks for the info. 

Does this mean that the carbonation isn't a function of fermentation, but  
simply pressurizing the end result, or using carbonated water? 

In Christ, 
Michael 

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Subject: RE: RE: How to make Blackthorn style ciders 
From: Grizzliez@aol.com 
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 1996 18:52:13 -0500 

In Cider Digest #587 Morgan replied to my original message: 

>> I would like to produce something more like Blackthorn. 

>What the big cidermakers do is tricky. What happens is they start with high 
>OG juice (added sugars), ferment the juice to dry (usually with champaign 
>yeasts-quick,clean,high alcohol), kill the yeast, then add in more juice 
>(or carbonated water) to hit the desired ending gravity. Then powdered 
>mallic acid is added to raise the 'tartness' of the cider. 

If I want to try replicating this type of procedure, what is the recommended 
way of killing the yeast?  Do I have to boil the fermented cider?  Is there a 
better approach? 

Craig 

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