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Subject: Cider Digest #89 Wed Dec 11 18:00:05 EST 1991
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 18:00:07 EST
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Cider Digest #89 Wed Dec 11 18:00:06 EST 1991
Forum for Discussion of Cider Issues
Jay Hersh, Digest Coordinator
Contents:
Re: white spots (Dave Coombs)
Sparkling sweet cider?? (Tim Carlson)
Cider Kits (Doug Latornell)
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 12:00:00 +0000
From: Dave Coombs <coombs@bashful.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: white spots
Are you saying it doesn't seem like cider vinegar? I know cider
vinegar is pretty cheap, but if you have any use for it, why not save
some?
dave
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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 10:36:51 MST
From: Tim Carlson <timc@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Sparkling sweet cider??
Well,
I'm about to try my second 1 gal batch of cider, and would like to end up with
some residual sweetness AND still have it carbonated. I know this has been
discussed, but I'm confused...
If I add a couple cups of sugar/honey and use an ale yeast, the yeast will
choke and die when the alcohol level reaches some limit (~8% ??). I could
bottle that and have a sweet, still cider. But if I want it carbonated,
I would have to add yeast that would withstand the high alcohol (champagne
yeast), but if I bottle that the yeasties would "go to town" on the residual
sugar, and I would have grenades.
Isn't there an easy way to get a sweet sparkling cider???
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Tim
timc@hpfctjc.fc.hp.com
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Date: 11 Dec 91 11:19 -0800
From: Doug Latornell <latornel@unixg.ubc.ca>
Subject: Cider Kits
Dan Roman mentioned a "cider kit" from Ironmaster. I have no experience
with that particular one but Wine-Art, in Canada, produces a concentrate
based cider kit that I have used twice. They seem to target it at their
winemaking, rather than beermaking, customers. The kit includes ~2 litres
of apple concentrate, a package of winemaking chemicals and a packet of
champagne yeast.
For my first attempt with this kit I followed their instructions with the
exception of substituting an ale yeast. I diluted the concentrate to 23
litres, added enough corn sugar to take the OG to ~1.050, tossed in the
chemicals (with some reservations :-) and pitched the yeast. Unfortunately,
this batched developed an infection after about 1 week in the primary and had
to be dumped.
The second batch worked much better. I decided to treat the process
as though I was making beer - almost. I diluted the concentrate to ~8
litres, added the corn sugar and heated it to ~70C to sanitise. After
cooling I pitched a starter of M&F ale yeast. I did this batch as a
single stag fermentation with a blow-off tube for the first couple of
days. Everything went fine, although the fermenation lasted 5 weeks.
The final gravity was ~0.998. Primed with 1.25 cups corn sugar and
bottled in 0.5 litre bottles, the cider cleared crystal clear and
light golden in colour after a few weeks. It is very dry, definitely
sparkling and quite high in alcohol, a pretty far cry from the English
draft cider that I was shooting for. Nonetheless, we are still
enjoying the tail end of this batch some 6 months after bottling.
My first attempt at cider from freshly pressed juice was bottled last
week. That batch was sweetened a little with pale DME. Perhaps when
it has had a chance to age and clear I'll post a comparison of the
two.
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Doug Latornell <latornel@unixg.ubc.ca>
CAM/Robotics Lab --- Mech. Eng. Dept. University of British Columbia
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
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